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Message 919467 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 20:03:35 UTC

I don´t know if this is normal because I have joint SETI@home few days ago, but again i can´t send my progress to the server. Someone knows if there is any problem?
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Message 919470 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 20:12:19 UTC - in response to Message 919467.  

I don´t know if this is normal because I have joint SETI@home few days ago, but again i can´t send my progress to the server. Someone knows if there is any problem?

Yes, things are a bit overloaded at the moment.

BOINC will handle this, you don't need to do anything to fix it at your end.
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Message 919478 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 20:29:01 UTC - in response to Message 919470.  

I don´t know if this is normal because I have joint SETI@home few days ago, but again i can´t send my progress to the server. Someone knows if there is any problem?

Yes, things are a bit overloaded at the moment.

BOINC will handle this, you don't need to do anything to fix it at your end.

It looks like in the last few minutes the data rates have fallen to 0. I hope that this is temporary.


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Message 919479 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 20:30:14 UTC
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Thanks, Ned.
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Message 919493 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 21:34:24 UTC - in response to Message 919479.  

The overloading condition at SETI is pretty much 'normal'. At the moment, the upload server is offline (according to server status), so nothing is going to get thru. SETI, more than any other BOINC project, has something of a ratio problem -- that is, the ratio of users to the upload/download pipe. As a consequence of this, there is a VERY narrow margin available and periodically, it gets REALLY congested. Periodically includes Tuesdays (when the project is offline for four to six hours for regular maintenance -- and then is very hard to get to during a 2x cycle as in 8 to 12 hours, as folks are in catch up mode), along with fairly frequent 'blips' in the process.

Today is one of those blips.

As there is really little one can do with it, Ned's suggestion, (of letting the BOINC client deal with it) is a reasonable one. Ideally you've joined multiple projects, so you can spread the CPU/GPU processing wealth as there are a number of other worthy scientific projects, most of which (at least at the moment) are not near to an overload condition, and so function more reliably.

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Message 919506 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:21:54 UTC

So....why is the Upload server dead in the water this time ?
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Message 919515 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 919506.  

Guessing that it was disabled so the downloads would be able to go through without problems and to reduce the load till Monday.
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Message 919516 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:43:08 UTC - in response to Message 919515.  

So it won't be back up until monday?

I can't download a thing because BOINC has reached it's upload quque limit. I've set it to make a 5 day cache, but it never fills it.

Any way I can fool BOINC to request tasks?
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Message 919519 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:47:05 UTC
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PING: GRANT (SSSF)

As per our Convo about SSD (in the previous PANIC thread...)?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54633&nowrap=true#918896

You sir, are PURE Evil ;) ....LOL

Thanks to you, I decided to investigate current prices and found a somewhat-mature model/revision of drives starting @ $120 CAD/each for Patriot 32GB SSD.....lol (so much for my 'under $200/each' buying barrier/excuse)...

Tommorow morning, I will be on my way to the local retailer to purchase 3 of these to run in a RAID 0 to replace my current (150GB x 3) VelociRaptors RAID 0 array, as my main Boot Volume.

My wife also thanks you and concluded that it's best she does not know where you live....lol

Thanks for the 'push' in the right direction. ;)
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Message 919521 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:51:24 UTC

I would say, make Boinc smarter, its rather "strange" that
several work units in queue are sent seperately. Its waste
of time and bandwith. Back in the old days we already
packed messages in echomail networks ... just my 2 cents.
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Message 919522 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 22:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 919519.  

PING: GRANT (SSSF)

As per our Convo about SSD (in the previous PANIC thread...)?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54633&nowrap=true#918896

You sir, are PURE Evil ;) ....LOL

Thanks to you, I decided to investigate current prices and found a somewhat-mature model/revision of drives starting @ $120 CAD/each for Patriot 32GB SSD.....lol (so much for my 'under $200/each' buying barrier/excuse)...

Tommorow morning, I will be on my way to the local retailer to purchase 3 of these to run in a RAID 0 to replace my current (150GB x 3) VelociRaptors RAID 0 array, as my main Boot Volume.

My wife also thanks you and concluded that it's best she does not know where you live....lol

Thanks for the 'push' in the right direction. ;)
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I have the OCZ Vertex, should check that one out too (cost about 140 for the 30G, but very good reviews on it).
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Message 919542 - Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 23:53:28 UTC - in response to Message 919522.  
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When will Bruno be back up and running? Parent's edit-suite is running on empty.

EDIT: I'm looking at the server status page.

Bruno hasn't been down for very long, or some people have a back door, because I saw this:

Results received in last hour 12,211 3 5m
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Message 919549 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:20:14 UTC

They should have a backup server...
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Message 919550 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 919549.  

They should have a backup server...


The server is not the problem, look at some of the official posts.

The problem is that they deliberately took the upload server down so that the pipe isn't clogged so that everybody has work for the scheduled full server downtime either tomorrow or Tuesday.
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Message 919553 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:29:56 UTC - in response to Message 919550.  
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The problem is that they deliberately took the upload server down so that the pipe isn't clogged so that everybody has work for the scheduled full server downtime either tomorrow or Tuesday.


If that is the reason, it's a pretty retarded one.... considering there are many of us who can not even get new work because of the back log of uploads that we must send before BOINC will ask for work.

Perhaps if the UPLOAD:CPU ratio was changed to 500:1 from the current 2:1, I might have a chance of getting new work during this time of 'Network Un-Clogging' while I am sitting on 300+ failed uploads (although it doesn't really matter, because after 22 stuck uploads I am DEAD in the water, as I run 11 threads) currently on the machine that I am typing this message from.

...then it wouldn't matter if I had tons of uploads pending, new work would come in regardless ;)
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Message 919555 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 919553.  

Well, the 2:1 ratio works very well outside of SETI. I can already figure out why that works.

If you keep stacking work up, and it never uploads, it passes the deadline. All of that work is wasted.

So assuming you have multiple projects going, BOINC would rather put your machine to a project that is working properly rather than one that isn't uploading properly, and is wasting your work.


I think I read that this restriction is by project, so if SETI is gumming up it's own works, you can still get work from, say, Rosetta.

just wish i knew what time this will be out! i will have no work for the outage at this point, and probably won't be able to upload for a week!
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Message 919557 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:39:52 UTC - in response to Message 919369.  

I would like to turn this discussion around towards a sollution.

I will transfer some money for this project and would like to ask the others also to do this!.

I know that allot off users just want to donate their CPU's and nothing extra.
Just keep in mind if all active users transfer only 1 dollar or euro to Seti, server issues incl. bandwidth are gone!.

For 150.000,- + Dollar all 53 servers can be replaced by kickass servers! and still leaves money left for data and hosting.

Is their a way Seti can help with the marketing on the site for a special "upgrade" donation?

I will transfer 10 euro's
Who's next :-)

Uhhhh, the drinks must be pretty expensive over their:

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Bob--thank you for the offer.

Please read this thread from Matt discussing the difficulties regarding setting up a "directed donation". Berkeley has restrictions on how it can be done.


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Message 919559 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 0:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 919557.  

Had other things to deal with today, but I'm back on it.

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Message 919579 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 1:24:27 UTC

Nice.....HAMMER TIME !
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Message 919580 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 1:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 919579.  

Now to get the tasks window back up....
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