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Message 919757 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 17:27:09 UTC - in response to Message 919749.  

3. My money would just go to a salary, I really can't force mine to go into a pool for the gigabit link.

Now if 3 can be fixed, then YES, all of us donating a dollar might work, because if we don't raise enough the first, time, we all toss in two more, or something. IDK, just thinking aloud.

When you say "mine would just go to a salary" what you're saying is that Matt and Jeff and Eric are not as important as a chunk of hardware. That's kind of sad.

We need the people to do the work -- and they can't work for free.

I worry about the California budget and funding to the University of California.

You had two good reasons for not donating. There are lots of other ones.

... but anyone who has spent money just to raise their RAC should kick in 5% of what they spent on that fancy video card or new cruncher -- as insurance -- even if it went to guitar picks for Matt.

Note: should not must. It's all voluntary.
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Message 919768 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 919733.  

I would hope that everyone understands that everything here is optional.
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Yes, everything in life is optional......INCLUDING WHERE YOU WORK.

No money ? not enough money ? find another job, not my problem.

I would NOT donate either for the same reason, my money would go directly to a salary and NOT to improve hardware.

If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources.
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Message 919778 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:20:15 UTC - in response to Message 919768.  

I'm desperately trying to find a way to raise money. Direct donations are good, but they don't provide the amount of financial oomph that we are looking for.

I had a fleeting vision of each and every one of us pairing up and going door to door in alien costumes.... selling whatever. It was funny, but that's something we will never do. What would we sell anyway? Cookies? ET Scout cookies. 0.o

I think there are many laws against incentives for donating, and SETI isn't really set up to give anything special to large donations without changing the system.

On this weird (but fun as heck) site called Moola, there is an option to give x percentage of your game winnings to Charity, but you can only select like 4 charities. If I can convince the Admins to add SETI to the pickable list, I for one would definitely give a large chunk of my winnings to SETI.

But that takes time too.

What about support from large companies like Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, NVIDIA, etc. in exchange for some kind of link on the front page?
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Message 919781 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 919757.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step. I can waits ;-) Btw: Matt didn´t asked for money nor help nor TCP-Lesson. He simply enojys fine-tuning his servers.

Let´s wait what will happen next. Patience is the key.
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Message 919786 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 919768.  

Yes, everything in life is optional......INCLUDING WHERE YOU WORK.

No money ? not enough money ? find another job, not my problem.


Absolutely correct. Sometimes its not about money though, but what people chose to do for a living. The options aren't the same when you're a scientist.

I would NOT donate either for the same reason, my money would go directly to a salary and NOT to improve hardware.


So you only want to donate provided it helps you directly get more credits, and you don't give a damn about the Staff and their hard work keeping things together as best they can?

If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources.


They have had STUDENT VOLUNTEERS help out at times. They don't stay because they move on with the lives. They are only students after all. They should not be viewed as "free labor".

If you think everyone looks at SETI in such a negative light, then what are you doing here? Aren't you afraid of being associated with such a project that has a negative view?

I suppose you're also not aware that SETI@Home is not allowed, per the Uni's policies, to approach companies for sponsorship or funding, are you? Makes the job quite a bit difficult to do, doesn't it?
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Message 919787 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:31:27 UTC - in response to Message 919781.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step. I can waits ;-) Btw: Matt didn´t asked for money nor help nor TCP-Lesson. He simply enojys fine-tuning his servers.

Let´s wait what will happen next. Patience is the key.

From the same article, UC Berkeley is composed of 14 colleges with 130 academic departments, in round numbers 35,000 students and a staff of 24,700.

Campus is 5 square kilometers.

$1.7 billion is a big pie, but there are a lot of people who want a chunk of that pie.

I doubt that Matt enjoys tuning. Seems like he'd rather write code.
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Message 919788 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 919781.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step.

That money is for Universtiy funding, it is not for Seti. The University doesn't fund Seti.

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Message 919790 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:33:13 UTC - in response to Message 919778.  
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What about support from large companies like Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, NVIDIA, etc. in exchange for some kind of link on the front page?


Eric told me directly that he is not allowed to approach companies for sponsorship or funding, which is why a VOLUNTEER Moderator (Blurf) handles the donation drives. I believe there is also a policy against putting sponsors permanently on the front page, which is why they have a special page for them.
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Message 919792 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 919788.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step.

That money is for Universtiy funding, it is not for Seti. The University doesn't fund Seti.


I thought for sure that the university helped out in some way.
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Message 919795 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 919792.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step.

That money is for Universtiy funding, it is not for Seti. The University doesn't fund Seti.


I thought for sure that the university helped out in some way.


Actually, they don't. In fact, all scientists using the labs have to pay for their usage of the labs and electricity. If the scientists (of any project, whether it is a BOINC project or a private project) want any portion of the pie, they have to apply for it, and a panel reviews each scientist's application with only a select group getting the funding.
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Message 919796 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 919792.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

"The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion."

I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step.

That money is for Universtiy funding, it is not for Seti. The University doesn't fund Seti.


I thought for sure that the university helped out in some way.

Buildings, power, network support (i'm sure there are other things i've forgotten).
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Message 919798 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:39:49 UTC

Why don't the SETI@Home guys teach/advise part time then ?

I am sure there are a few 'Student Scientific Breakthroughs' that they can steal and profit from, giving back to the project at the same time.

Isn't that what Professors/Scientists do to supliment their income ? ?
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Message 919803 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 18:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 919798.  

Are we even sure that the link is the only problem?

what about new hardware?
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Message 919806 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 19:01:28 UTC

Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now.
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Message 919810 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 19:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 919803.  

Are we even sure that the link is the only problem?

We know it won't be/isn't the only problem, but it's the main one at this time.


what about new hardware?

Will help with other problems, but not the bandwidth one.
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Message 919812 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 19:16:02 UTC - in response to Message 919806.  

Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now.

If you've been unable to upload anything for days, there's a problem at your end. If one or two get through every now & then, then the only problem is the load on the servers.
When will it clear? Wild guess- hopefully some time in the next 6-12 hours.
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Message 919819 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 19:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 919812.  

7/20/2009 3:39:38 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed upload of 17oc08ac.7718.13978.14.8.159_1_0: http error
7/20/2009 3:39:38 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 42 min 38 sec on upload of file 17oc08ac.7718.13978.14.8.159_1_0
7/20/2009 3:39:39 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.
7/20/2009 3:40:32 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started upload of file 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0
7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed upload of 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0: http error
7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 3 hr 36 min 19 sec on upload of file 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0
7/20/2009 3:40:36 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.

These are the messages I am getting. Though I saw that one wu, out of a few hundred got uploaded.
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Message 919820 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 19:43:50 UTC - in response to Message 919768.  

If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources.

Student volunteers wrote the initial BOINC project website code. Which explains why the code still sucks very badly.

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Message 919831 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 20:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 919820.  
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If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources.

Student volunteers wrote the initial BOINC project website code. Which explains why the code still sucks very badly.


Let's not stoop to insulting people please-it is not at all productive.


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Message 919835 - Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 20:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 919806.  

Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now.

As far as I can tell, the site is working. Some uploads succeed, some don't, but data is flowing.

When some of your pending uploads finish, BOINC will again start asking for work.
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