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1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
3. My money would just go to a salary, I really can't force mine to go into a pool for the gigabit link. When you say "mine would just go to a salary" what you're saying is that Matt and Jeff and Eric are not as important as a chunk of hardware. That's kind of sad. We need the people to do the work -- and they can't work for free. I worry about the California budget and funding to the University of California. You had two good reasons for not donating. There are lots of other ones. ... but anyone who has spent money just to raise their RAC should kick in 5% of what they spent on that fancy video card or new cruncher -- as insurance -- even if it went to guitar picks for Matt. Note: should not must. It's all voluntary. |
TCP JESUS Send message Joined: 19 Jan 03 Posts: 205 Credit: 1,248,845 RAC: 0 |
I would hope that everyone understands that everything here is optional. Yes, everything in life is optional......INCLUDING WHERE YOU WORK. No money ? not enough money ? find another job, not my problem. I would NOT donate either for the same reason, my money would go directly to a salary and NOT to improve hardware. If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources. I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best! formerly known as...MC Hammer. |
Vistro Send message Joined: 6 Aug 08 Posts: 233 Credit: 316,549 RAC: 0 |
I'm desperately trying to find a way to raise money. Direct donations are good, but they don't provide the amount of financial oomph that we are looking for. I had a fleeting vision of each and every one of us pairing up and going door to door in alien costumes.... selling whatever. It was funny, but that's something we will never do. What would we sell anyway? Cookies? ET Scout cookies. 0.o I think there are many laws against incentives for donating, and SETI isn't really set up to give anything special to large donations without changing the system. On this weird (but fun as heck) site called Moola, there is an option to give x percentage of your game winnings to Charity, but you can only select like 4 charities. If I can convince the Admins to add SETI to the pickable list, I for one would definitely give a large chunk of my winnings to SETI. But that takes time too. What about support from large companies like Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, NVIDIA, etc. in exchange for some kind of link on the front page? |
Martin Send message Joined: 17 Jan 09 Posts: 10 Credit: 1,281,746 RAC: 0 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley "The 2006-2007 budget totaled $1.7 billion; 33% came from the State of California. In 2006-2007, 7,850 donors contributed $267.9 million and the endowment was valued at $2.89 billion." I think this is enough money for server here and a cable there and maybe a loadbalancer for christmas. Berkeley has to do the next step. I can waits ;-) Btw: Matt didn´t asked for money nor help nor TCP-Lesson. He simply enojys fine-tuning his servers. Let´s wait what will happen next. Patience is the key. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Yes, everything in life is optional......INCLUDING WHERE YOU WORK. Absolutely correct. Sometimes its not about money though, but what people chose to do for a living. The options aren't the same when you're a scientist. I would NOT donate either for the same reason, my money would go directly to a salary and NOT to improve hardware. So you only want to donate provided it helps you directly get more credits, and you don't give a damn about the Staff and their hard work keeping things together as best they can? If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources. They have had STUDENT VOLUNTEERS help out at times. They don't stay because they move on with the lives. They are only students after all. They should not be viewed as "free labor". If you think everyone looks at SETI in such a negative light, then what are you doing here? Aren't you afraid of being associated with such a project that has a negative view? I suppose you're also not aware that SETI@Home is not allowed, per the Uni's policies, to approach companies for sponsorship or funding, are you? Makes the job quite a bit difficult to do, doesn't it? |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley From the same article, UC Berkeley is composed of 14 colleges with 130 academic departments, in round numbers 35,000 students and a staff of 24,700. Campus is 5 square kilometers. $1.7 billion is a big pie, but there are a lot of people who want a chunk of that pie. I doubt that Matt enjoys tuning. Seems like he'd rather write code. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley That money is for Universtiy funding, it is not for Seti. The University doesn't fund Seti. Grant Darwin NT |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What about support from large companies like Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, NVIDIA, etc. in exchange for some kind of link on the front page? Eric told me directly that he is not allowed to approach companies for sponsorship or funding, which is why a VOLUNTEER Moderator (Blurf) handles the donation drives. I believe there is also a policy against putting sponsors permanently on the front page, which is why they have a special page for them. |
Vistro Send message Joined: 6 Aug 08 Posts: 233 Credit: 316,549 RAC: 0 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley I thought for sure that the university helped out in some way. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley Actually, they don't. In fact, all scientists using the labs have to pay for their usage of the labs and electricity. If the scientists (of any project, whether it is a BOINC project or a private project) want any portion of the pie, they have to apply for it, and a panel reviews each scientist's application with only a select group getting the funding. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley Buildings, power, network support (i'm sure there are other things i've forgotten). Grant Darwin NT |
TCP JESUS Send message Joined: 19 Jan 03 Posts: 205 Credit: 1,248,845 RAC: 0 |
Why don't the SETI@Home guys teach/advise part time then ? I am sure there are a few 'Student Scientific Breakthroughs' that they can steal and profit from, giving back to the project at the same time. Isn't that what Professors/Scientists do to supliment their income ? ? I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best! formerly known as...MC Hammer. |
Vistro Send message Joined: 6 Aug 08 Posts: 233 Credit: 316,549 RAC: 0 |
Are we even sure that the link is the only problem? what about new hardware? |
Miklos M. Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 955 Credit: 136,115,648 RAC: 73 |
Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Are we even sure that the link is the only problem? We know it won't be/isn't the only problem, but it's the main one at this time. what about new hardware? Will help with other problems, but not the bandwidth one. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now. If you've been unable to upload anything for days, there's a problem at your end. If one or two get through every now & then, then the only problem is the load on the servers. When will it clear? Wild guess- hopefully some time in the next 6-12 hours. Grant Darwin NT |
Miklos M. Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 955 Credit: 136,115,648 RAC: 73 |
7/20/2009 3:39:38 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed upload of 17oc08ac.7718.13978.14.8.159_1_0: http error 7/20/2009 3:39:38 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 42 min 38 sec on upload of file 17oc08ac.7718.13978.14.8.159_1_0 7/20/2009 3:39:39 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 7/20/2009 3:40:32 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started upload of file 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0 7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed upload of 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0: http error 7/20/2009 3:40:34 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 3 hr 36 min 19 sec on upload of file 04dc08ad.27520.2526.4.8.60_2_0 7/20/2009 3:40:36 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. These are the messages I am getting. Though I saw that one wu, out of a few hundred got uploaded. |
Nicolas Send message Joined: 30 Mar 05 Posts: 161 Credit: 12,985 RAC: 0 |
If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources. Student volunteers wrote the initial BOINC project website code. Which explains why the code still sucks very badly. Contribute to the Wiki! |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
If the the project, being on campus, can't even attract STUDENT VOLUNTEERS to help 'man' the jobs, what does that say about the project ? and how OUTSIDE people look at it ? ....not to mention prospective Sponsors and funding sources. Let's not stoop to insulting people please-it is not at all productive. |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
Are there any updates, as to when the site will be working again? Looking at the server status page, it would seem that enough of them are running, but I get no wu's and cannot upload for days now. As far as I can tell, the site is working. Some uploads succeed, some don't, but data is flowing. When some of your pending uploads finish, BOINC will again start asking for work. |
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