Robert its true i am very angry ,not at you people but at they way you want to defend the Ts ,and dont mistake the taliban for the moslems as a whole,or the afgan people.These people are funding and confusing the whole region and from just there signatures and videos they look like the worst kind that has invaded our planet if they are not causing instability in pakistan then they are in afganistan or linked to alqueda thus reaching as far as Africa in somalia and the sudan and now penetrating nigeria ,there beliefs are beyond understanding and they are a determined lot and yet you want to give them a proper hearing ,I just cant understand that.The afgans have suffered terribly because of them, they dont want dialogue ,their banners carry signs of the sword and yet you still want to treat them as humans ,what kind of humans are these? NIN ki also likes them i just wonder.Its true there must be proof that they people were Taliban fighters but if indeed they were Ts then they deserve what they got ,because it doesnt matter if they surrender or not,if they plead guilty or not .We dont like and dont want that lot roaming our planet ,there is just not enough oxygen to share with them,We shall sleep better and do they other things after they are cleaned of the face of the earth,if they want peace let them lay down their arms and go to there homes ,but if caught in action let them face the justice they practice ,however painfull it may seem to some.About trying them i dont see the need for that ,trials can be done the military way right on they spot were they are caught, soldiers and those commanding them are not insane ,they are properly trained to make a destinction between who is the enemy and who is not.If we trust them with our lives and send them to do such a task ,lets not start asking how they do it,They have a code of conduct right from the high command to the lowest rank,they have they military police who know every thing, so why start all these petition on something you dont know much about except what you read in the papers.If A T IS CAUGHT HE DEFINATELY DESERVES A D .To me they are all guilty by association !i have no mercy for that kind of people .

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This is a short film on the topic of the Afghan Massacre from the organization Physicians for Human Rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZlIEVtzN8&feature=PlayList&p=0204648E8196B9F3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=70

Robert its true i am very angry ,not at you people but at they way you want to defend the Ts ,and dont mistake the taliban for the moslems as a whole,or the afgan people.These people are funding and confusing the whole region and from just there signatures and videos they look like the worst kind that has invaded our planet if they are not causing instability in pakistan then they are in afganistan or linked to alqueda thus reaching as far as Africa in somalia and the sudan and now penetrating nigeria ,there beliefs are beyond understanding and they are a determined lot and yet you want to give them a proper hearing ,I just cant understand that.The afgans have suffered terribly because of them, they dont want dialogue ,their banners carry signs of the sword and yet you still want to treat them as humans ,what kind of humans are these? NIN ki also likes them i just wonder.Its true there must be proof that they people were Taliban fighters but if indeed they were Ts then they deserve what they got ,because it doesnt matter if they surrender or not,if they plead guilty or not .We dont like and dont want that lot roaming our planet ,there is just not enough oxygen to share with them,We shall sleep better and do they other things after they are cleaned of the face of the earth,if they want peace let them lay down their arms and go to there homes ,but if caught in action let them face the justice they practice ,however painfull it may seem to some.About trying them i dont see the need for that ,trials can be done the military way right on they spot were they are caught, soldiers and those commanding them are not insane ,they are properly trained to make a destinction between who is the enemy and who is not.If we trust them with our lives and send them to do such a task ,lets not start asking how they do it,They have a code of conduct right from the high command to the lowest rank,they have they military police who know every thing, so why start all these petition on something you dont know much about except what you read in the papers.If A T IS CAUGHT HE DEFINATELY DESERVES A D .To me they are all guilty by association !i have no mercy for that kind of people .

I agree with you that Taliban have done atrocious acts, but that does mean we drop our own moralistic values and re-write, on-the-fly our international laws. Although these war criminals were probably going to be executed when they're trial did come to fruition - it was not the duty of these soldiers to carry out this massacre. It was to be the decision of the Muslim people in Afghanistan once a stable government had been successfully installed.

Everyone here knows that the Taliban have forced themselves into innocent peoples lives. And that they have threatened them with violence and enacted upon it. They instil fear into the people of the territories that they forcibly occupy - force them to shelter them, feed them and fight for them, and if they refuse they will be executed as well as they're families.

"Trials done the military way" - The military could not have been 100% assured that these people were not innocents and this is why things need to go to hearing At the end of the day by the time these people were in custody they were unarmed, and although most if not all of them were Taliban, there was a chance that some were civilians and had the right to a fair trial!

There is nothing wrong with this subject going under the microscope, if they did anything unlawful it should go to public inquiry, and if they stayed within the "code of conduct" then they have nothing to worry about...

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This is a short film on the topic of the Afghan Massacre from the organization Physicians for Human Rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZlIEVtzN8&feature=PlayList&p=0204648E8196B9F3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=70

Thank you for that link to a valid docummentary. It reminds me of the methods the Nazis used against the Jews. They were brutal to the core. I will not, in any way, participate in that sort of brutality through commission or omission - and by failing to act against such a thing done with, at the very least, the knowlege of my government I participate through omission.
I, for one, will be signing the Physicians for Human Rights petition as soon as I finish this post.
Thank you, again.

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Robert its true i am very angry ,not at you people but at they way you want to defend the Ts ,and dont mistake the taliban for the moslems as a whole,or the afgan people.These people are funding and confusing the whole region and from just there signatures and videos they look like the worst kind that has invaded our planet if they are not causing instability in pakistan then they are in afganistan or linked to alqueda thus reaching as far as Africa in somalia and the sudan and now penetrating nigeria ,there beliefs are beyond understanding and they are a determined lot and yet you want to give them a proper hearing ,I just cant understand that.The afgans have suffered terribly because of them, they dont want dialogue ,their banners carry signs of the sword and yet you still want to treat them as humans ,what kind of humans are these? NIN ki also likes them i just wonder.Its true there must be proof that they people were Taliban fighters but if indeed they were Ts then they deserve what they got ,because it doesnt matter if they surrender or not,if they plead guilty or not .We dont like and dont want that lot roaming our planet ,there is just not enough oxygen to share with them,We shall sleep better and do they other things after they are cleaned of the face of the earth,if they want peace let them lay down their arms and go to there homes ,but if caught in action let them face the justice they practice ,however painfull it may seem to some.About trying them i dont see the need for that ,trials can be done the military way right on they spot were they are caught, soldiers and those commanding them are not insane ,they are properly trained to make a destinction between who is the enemy and who is not.If we trust them with our lives and send them to do such a task ,lets not start asking how they do it,They have a code of conduct right from the high command to the lowest rank,they have they military police who know every thing, so why start all these petition on something you dont know much about except what you read in the papers.If A T IS CAUGHT HE DEFINATELY DESERVES A D .To me they are all guilty by association !i have no mercy for that kind of people .

I agree with you that Taliban have done atrocious acts, but that does mean we drop our own moralistic values and re-write, on-the-fly our international laws. Although these war criminals were probably going to be executed when they're trial did come to fruition - it was not the duty of these soldiers to carry out this massacre. It was to be the decision of the Muslim people in Afghanistan once a stable government had been successfully installed.

Everyone here knows that the Taliban have forced themselves into innocent peoples lives. And that they have threatened them with violence and enacted upon it. They instil fear into the people of the territories that they forcibly occupy - force them to shelter them, feed them and fight for them, and if they refuse they will be executed as well as they're families.

"Trials done the military way" - The military could not have been 100% assured that these people were not innocents and this is why things need to go to hearing At the end of the day by the time these people were in custody they were unarmed, and although most if not all of them were Taliban, there was a chance that some were civilians and had the right to a fair trial!

There is nothing wrong with this subject going under the microscope, if they did anything unlawful it should go to public inquiry, and if they stayed within the "code of conduct" then they have nothing to worry about...

You are correct in your statements, Kai. Even though I am a "shades of gray" person rather than an "all things are black or white" person, I do believe that some things are absolute. One of those things that is absolute is - as you inferred - if there is a possibility that someone is innocent that person deserves every opportunity to prove they are innocent. If that is taken away, by whatever means, those who took that process away are themselves criminals.
Something to be considered not only there, but here as well.

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To the victor goes not only the spoils of war but, more importantly, the bias of history.