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Message 906922 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 906911.  

His app_info is faulty, so Boinc wouldn't see it,
See my post with an ammended app_info

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I assumed that was just the result of using IE to copy and paste it into his post. Mind you, I strongly support the suggestion that the unified installer be employed to bring it up to date. That would also make sure it is in the right place.

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Agreed, i just didn't have the link available at the time.

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Message 906926 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:35:14 UTC

I thank you for the info but i havent had sleep for 21 hours so any thing i would try to do i would mess up.
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Message 906934 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 906926.  

I thank you for the info but i havent had sleep for 21 hours so any thing i would try to do i would mess up.

Know the feeling. Come back to it tomorrow.
It really is straightforward. Download the unified installer for your OS. Stop all Boinc processes. Run the installer. Start Boinc.

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Message 906945 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:59:48 UTC

i will give it a shot tomorrow thanks


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Message 906977 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 22:31:09 UTC

I must highly recommend the installer! It is truly brilliant and what has been wanted by those wishing to run opp but without experience for edit files.

Here is the links:
Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA
Win64 Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA
Win98/ME Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA

Thanks for everyones hard work bringing the unified installer to fruition!
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Message 907010 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 906977.  

I hate that new unified installer! Here I spent hours fumbling through getting my app_info just right and now with that danged installer anyone can do it in minutes! :) lol


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Message 907028 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:31:12 UTC - in response to Message 907024.  

PANIC, PANIC, MEGA HUGE SUPER PANIC !!!!!!!!

It's all going to hell. Weekend is coming up, and the replica is over an hour behind the master.

How, how, how, will be survive this. If I can't be sure that the data is up to date down to a second, I will never be able to survíve this weekend.

And......if the MB WU's run out, I tell you I will have to off myself dammit.


:-)


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Is this the 5 minute panic or the full half-hour jobbie? (with apologies to Monty Python)

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Message 907029 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:33:35 UTC - in response to Message 907024.  

PANIC, PANIC, MEGA HUGE SUPER PANIC !!!!!!!!

It's all going to hell. Weekend is coming up, and the replica is over an hour behind the master.

How, how, how, will be survive this. If I can't be sure that the data is up to date down to a second, I will never be able to survíve this weekend.

And......if the MB WU's run out, I tell you I will have to off myself dammit.


:-)


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Since your going of for a vacation, you don't have any problems at the moment :D
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Message 907041 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 0:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 907033.  

Is this the 5 minute panic or the full half-hour jobbie? (with apologies to Monty Python)

F.



It's all kind of panic from 1 second all the way up to a full hour :-)

It's panic mode for the kitties in the morning when the first rig runs out of their favorite AP kibble.........

Laugh if you want......the kitties are serious about their kibble......
They'll have my toes for breakfast........
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Message 907042 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 0:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 906887.  

The resourse share doesn't work properly according to other posts.


Resource shares work fairly well. But even so, if you're only using other projects as a backup, then who cares how accurate it is as long as you have another project sending you work to keep you busy? :)

It seems stupid if the project servers report ready to send and no 6.03 or 6.08 wu's are actually sent.


Remember that the number is only so accurate as of X minutes ago, and with everyone clamoring for more work (and with AP out of the picture), any available will go quickly.

Also why after the weekly outage is the replica db always of late hours behind the main db surely it could be copied from the main at the outage.


Why mess with it and take hours to copy the db when you can simply let it catch up on its own during the course of the week. Its only a minor annoyance when the replica is behind. Its not like its the end of the world! :)
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Message 907067 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 1:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 906887.  

The resourse share doesn't work properly according to other posts.

So, because other people say it doesn't work, you won't even try?

I crunch three projects, with SETI at 90% -- and it tracks resource share well.

What people expect when they have several projects is that BOINC will always have some work from all of them, and it won't. The balance is long-term, not short-term. Trying to follow short term leads to missed deadlines.

I will pick a project and give it 100% until the servers at Seti are sorted.

I think your standards are probably too high, and the SETI servers will never be sorted to meet your personal expectations because that level of reliability is simply not needed -- and not in the project budget.

It seems stupid if the project servers report ready to send and no 6.03 or 6.08 wu's are actually sent.I know there are no Astropulse jobs.

For those of us who understand it, it makes sense. It only seems stupid if you don't understand how the numbers are displayed (and are always stale) and if you don't know how work gets from the "ready" queue to the scheduler.

The scheduler has a queue of 100 work units to assign. The feeder may not fill that queue as fast as the scheduler wants to assign work.

Also why after the weekly outage is the replica db always of late hours behind the main db surely it could be copied from the main at the outage.

Don't know, and don't really care.

Those who are disappointed are looking at SETI and comparing to Amazon.com. If Amazon is down, they're losing thousands and thousands of dollars every minute. If SETI is down, it means the BOINC client has to retry -- or maybe crunch a little more for some other project now, and crunch extra SETI later to get back to resource shares.
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Message 907159 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 6:32:33 UTC

Thanks OzzFan and Ned Ludd for the explanations.
I have had some sleep now and seen the error of my ways.
I am running the cache down on one rig to do a clean and rebuild
so that one has nnw set, the main rig still has had no work sent
to it 6hrs later.It is down to its last 5 hrs of enhanced 6.08
no enhanced 6.03 at all so the 8 cores are running milkyway.
I don't know what the gpu's will do?
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Message 907210 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 11:19:29 UTC

To Claggy, Fred W, Westsail & Pyxey, Skildude, Thank you all for trying to help me out yesterday with my combined ops. After a good 10 of sleep I just installed the unified installer , restarted Boinc and
Seti found my app info file and using an anonymous platform.

I sure appreciate all the time and patience you have to deal with All the newbies like me. It speaks well of the project and people.
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Message 907218 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 11:43:24 UTC - in response to Message 907210.  
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To Claggy, Fred W, Westsail & Pyxey, Skildude, Thank you all for trying to help me out yesterday with my combined ops. After a good 10 of sleep I just installed the unified installer , restarted Boinc and
Seti found my app info file and using an anonymous platform.

I sure appreciate all the time and patience you have to deal with All the newbies like me. It speaks well of the project and people.

No problemo. I well remember the first (dumb) question that I posted as a noob to Boinc and the courtesey of the response I got, even though, as I now well know, it was a question that had been asked a zillion times before. All we ask is that, as you become more experienced you extend the same service to the next generation of noobs.

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[edit]And yes, it is because of the quality of the people involved that I hang around the SETI boards more than any other.[/edit]
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Message 907230 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 12:29:09 UTC

I will be more than glad to help anyone ,albeit with what little knowledge i have.
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Message 907252 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 13:02:22 UTC

Ah, the weekend is upon us and our friend Chaos, seems to be afoot. In other words, I've several WUs to upload/report and they're going nowhere!

Happy days.


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Message 907257 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 13:13:10 UTC
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Yea..........looks like the AP splitters have been started and now the bandwidth is maxed out!
Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....
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Message 907261 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 13:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 907252.  

In other words, I've several WUs to upload/report and they're going nowhere!


Wonderful, first we couldn't get work now we can't get rid of it! Ok everybody, panic again! :)


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Message 907307 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 16:09:05 UTC - in response to Message 907261.  

In other words, I've several WUs to upload/report and they're going nowhere!


Wonderful, first we couldn't get work now we can't get rid of it! Ok everybody, panic again! :)

There isn't anything here that is due before the 17th. No reason to panic before the 16th.
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Message 907409 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 23:51:39 UTC - in response to Message 907307.  
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Network traffic is extremely bursty at the moment. Either get a "Server has no jobs avaiable" message or the occasional HTTP error when the traffic's really heavy. But every so often i get a few downloads. With my existing 4 day cache i expect it'll be about 3-4 weeks before i actually run out of work.
I expect they'll have things sorted by then, so no real need for getting worked up at this stage.
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