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Message 906857 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:07:48 UTC - in response to Message 906850.  

Please remember too that, unlike most internet applications, consumers are not waiting to buy a product, and if the project can't supply work, the BOINC client will wait a bit and check again. It isn't really a problem.

I normally have my cache size set around 4 days (4 "extra days") and I can't remember when I last ran out of work.

I wasn't really complaining, it was more to find out if there was some problem with the servers. Is it a "problem" for the servers with all these extra requests for WUs that gets the no jobs available?

On my laptop, which I don't use much and therefor have a low cache, I have run out of jobs, not a "problem" but still... :)
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Message 906871 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:30:06 UTC
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Looks like a lean weekend for my i7.
I have been running on Cuda for the last few hours.
Requests for work for the cpu have been sent with the
usual reply for many now of:
Project has no jobs available.
Server status has 63k plus ready to send.
This has been the case for the last 3 hours here in the uk.
I have not got any 6,08 or 6.03.I have also run out of Astropulse units.
At this rate this i7 will be out of work before tomorrow.
Looks like time to crunch for other projects.I will be sorry to leave Seti.
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Message 906876 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 906857.  

Please remember too that, unlike most internet applications, consumers are not waiting to buy a product, and if the project can't supply work, the BOINC client will wait a bit and check again. It isn't really a problem.

I normally have my cache size set around 4 days (4 "extra days") and I can't remember when I last ran out of work.

I wasn't really complaining, it was more to find out if there was some problem with the servers. Is it a "problem" for the servers with all these extra requests for WUs that gets the no jobs available?

On my laptop, which I don't use much and therefor have a low cache, I have run out of jobs, not a "problem" but still... :)

The basic idea behind BOINC is that it should be possible to run a large distributing project on a very small budget.

One way to save money is to design for the average load to be able to fill most requests most of the time instead of all of the requests all of the time.

You can save alot if you go for 99% reliability instead of 99.999% reliability. Then you let the BOINC client take up the slack.
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Message 906877 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 906871.  


At this rate this i7 will be out of work before tomorrow.
Looks like time to crunch for other projects.I will be sorry to leave Seti.
Dave

Why leave? Pick another (deserving) project, and give them a reasonable resource share. BOINC will crunch for SETI when it can get SETI, and for other projects when it can't, in accordance with your resource share.
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Message 906887 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:51:01 UTC - in response to Message 906877.  

The resourse share doesn't work properly according to other posts.
I will pick a project and give it 100% until the servers at Seti are sorted.
It seems stupid if the project servers report ready to send and no 6.03 or 6.08 wu's are actually sent.I know there are no Astropulse jobs.
Also why after the weekly outage is the replica db always of late hours behind the main db surely it could be copied from the main at the outage.
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Message 906894 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 906828.  

s6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.6.31 for windows_intelx86
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Running under account Owner
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7]
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Processor features: fpu tsc sse sse2 mmx
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 3.85 GB virtual
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Disk: 76.33 GB total, 66.16 GB free
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Local time is UTC -4 hours
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM No CUDA devices found
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM No coprocessors
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM Not using a proxy
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 4975817; location: home; project prefs: default
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2009 11:01:52)
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home Computer location: home
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1022.90MB
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 2045.80MB
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 38.16GB
6/12/2009 2:58:31 PM SETI@home Restarting task 21mr09ad.11794.4162.16.8.67_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
this is what i have after a restart.

That is certainly not seeing and app_info.xml file. Are you sure it is in the right folder? Should be in the ....projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder along with the optimised apps.

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Message 906896 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:10:26 UTC - in response to Message 906894.  

s6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.6.31 for windows_intelx86
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Running under account Owner
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7]
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Processor features: fpu tsc sse sse2 mmx
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 3.85 GB virtual
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Disk: 76.33 GB total, 66.16 GB free
6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM Local time is UTC -4 hours
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM No CUDA devices found
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM No coprocessors
6/12/2009 2:58:29 PM Not using a proxy
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 4975817; location: home; project prefs: default
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2009 11:01:52)
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home Computer location: home
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1022.90MB
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 2045.80MB
6/12/2009 2:58:30 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 38.16GB
6/12/2009 2:58:31 PM SETI@home Restarting task 21mr09ad.11794.4162.16.8.67_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
this is what i have after a restart.

That is certainly not seeing and app_info.xml file. Are you sure it is in the right folder? Should be in the ....projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder along with the optimised apps.

F.

just an FYI if your app_info and optimized app are working correctly you'll see something about "running on an anonymous platform" in your messages


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Message 906900 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 906896.  

just an FYI if your app_info and optimized app are working correctly you'll see something about "running on an anonymous platform" in your messages

Been through that bit earlier in the thread.

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Message 906903 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:15:04 UTC - in response to Message 906894.  
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His app_info is faulty, so Boinc wouldn't see it,
See my post with an ammended app_info

Claggy

Hint:

an app_info starts with:

<app_info>

and not:

- <app_info>
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Message 906911 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 906903.  

His app_info is faulty, so Boinc wouldn't see it,
See my post with an ammended app_info

Claggy

I assumed that was just the result of using IE to copy and paste it into his post. Mind you, I strongly support the suggestion that the unified installer be employed to bring it up to date. That would also make sure it is in the right place.

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Message 906922 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 906911.  

His app_info is faulty, so Boinc wouldn't see it,
See my post with an ammended app_info

Claggy

I assumed that was just the result of using IE to copy and paste it into his post. Mind you, I strongly support the suggestion that the unified installer be employed to bring it up to date. That would also make sure it is in the right place.

F.


Agreed, i just didn't have the link available at the time.

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Message 906926 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:35:14 UTC

I thank you for the info but i havent had sleep for 21 hours so any thing i would try to do i would mess up.
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Message 906934 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 906926.  

I thank you for the info but i havent had sleep for 21 hours so any thing i would try to do i would mess up.

Know the feeling. Come back to it tomorrow.
It really is straightforward. Download the unified installer for your OS. Stop all Boinc processes. Run the installer. Start Boinc.

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Message 906945 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 21:59:48 UTC

i will give it a shot tomorrow thanks


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Message 906977 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 22:31:09 UTC

I must highly recommend the installer! It is truly brilliant and what has been wanted by those wishing to run opp but without experience for edit files.

Here is the links:
Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA
Win64 Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA
Win98/ME Lunatics' Unified Installer FINAL BETA

Thanks for everyones hard work bringing the unified installer to fruition!
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Message 907010 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 906977.  

I hate that new unified installer! Here I spent hours fumbling through getting my app_info just right and now with that danged installer anyone can do it in minutes! :) lol


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Message 907028 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:31:12 UTC - in response to Message 907024.  

PANIC, PANIC, MEGA HUGE SUPER PANIC !!!!!!!!

It's all going to hell. Weekend is coming up, and the replica is over an hour behind the master.

How, how, how, will be survive this. If I can't be sure that the data is up to date down to a second, I will never be able to survíve this weekend.

And......if the MB WU's run out, I tell you I will have to off myself dammit.


:-)


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Is this the 5 minute panic or the full half-hour jobbie? (with apologies to Monty Python)

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Message 907029 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 23:33:35 UTC - in response to Message 907024.  

PANIC, PANIC, MEGA HUGE SUPER PANIC !!!!!!!!

It's all going to hell. Weekend is coming up, and the replica is over an hour behind the master.

How, how, how, will be survive this. If I can't be sure that the data is up to date down to a second, I will never be able to survíve this weekend.

And......if the MB WU's run out, I tell you I will have to off myself dammit.


:-)


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Since your going of for a vacation, you don't have any problems at the moment :D
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Message 907041 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 0:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 907033.  

Is this the 5 minute panic or the full half-hour jobbie? (with apologies to Monty Python)

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It's all kind of panic from 1 second all the way up to a full hour :-)

It's panic mode for the kitties in the morning when the first rig runs out of their favorite AP kibble.........

Laugh if you want......the kitties are serious about their kibble......
They'll have my toes for breakfast........
"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Message 907042 - Posted: 13 Jun 2009, 0:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 906887.  

The resourse share doesn't work properly according to other posts.


Resource shares work fairly well. But even so, if you're only using other projects as a backup, then who cares how accurate it is as long as you have another project sending you work to keep you busy? :)

It seems stupid if the project servers report ready to send and no 6.03 or 6.08 wu's are actually sent.


Remember that the number is only so accurate as of X minutes ago, and with everyone clamoring for more work (and with AP out of the picture), any available will go quickly.

Also why after the weekly outage is the replica db always of late hours behind the main db surely it could be copied from the main at the outage.


Why mess with it and take hours to copy the db when you can simply let it catch up on its own during the course of the week. Its only a minor annoyance when the replica is behind. Its not like its the end of the world! :)
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