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Message 872545 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 17:43:23 UTC
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This is really spooky :O

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505159,00.html

Interestingly, as in many modern things, the "reality" of what is technologically possible today is much more frightening than the older & less-sophisticated "vision" when it was just "Sci-FI".

Humanity continues to show an unswerving determination to escalate it's own demise.

I'm finding myself becoming a greater believer in the scientific hypothesis that the more intelligent the species...the shorter-lived.

Would indeed explain why the sky appears to lack all the background chatter & traffic of millions/billions of Kardashev Type I & II civilizations ; > )

Lol! Resistance is Futile.......
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Message 872598 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 19:20:54 UTC

...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.
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Message 872599 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 19:25:03 UTC - in response to Message 872598.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?


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Message 872616 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 20:33:53 UTC - in response to Message 872599.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.
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Message 872618 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 20:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 872616.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?
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Message 872625 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 21:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 872618.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?

I have No idea.
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Message 872632 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 21:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 872618.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?


Yes, you´re right--->Skynet
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Message 872634 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 21:50:41 UTC - in response to Message 872632.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?


Yes, you´re right--->Skynet


Thank you Mr. Dirk.
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Message 872668 - Posted: 5 Mar 2009, 23:52:23 UTC - in response to Message 872618.  
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[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?


Why "yes" it was...
Hence the name of the thread ;>)


.....form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


This is the exact same phrase that freaked me out.
Ya see....add some sophisticated AI with a penchant for learning, a large collective to constantly update "hive" knowledge/experience and the ability to "form groups etc." as above.......

I don't worry bout' mini-black holes as much as a piece of software that sees the world-wide computer grid & operation as horribly inefficient, assigns "blame" & commences to optimize it while preventing further external manipulation from being a threat.
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Message 872692 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 1:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 872616.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.

So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.

Worse - they'll demand to be moderators.
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Message 872694 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 1:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 872668.  

[i]...Engineering Division, said what will make cybots so useful is that they will be able to form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


So, will they have their own Forum here, are should we share ours with them?

Next thing You know they'll do is make themselves better, and demand to be our equals.


Wasn't the root problem in the 'Terminator' movie caused by a thing called "Skynet"? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie?


Why "yes" it was...
Hence the name of the thread ;>)



.....form groups, function autonomously and respond almost immediately.


This is the exact same phrase that freaked me out.
Ya see....add some sophisticated AI with a penchant for learning, a large collective to constantly update "hive" knowledge/experience and the ability to "form groups etc." as above.......

I don't worry bout' mini-black holes as much as a piece of software that sees the world-wide computer grid & operation as horribly inefficient, assigns "blame" & commences to optimize it while preventing further external manipulation from being a threat.


Soooo, shades of Isaac Asimov?
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Message 872728 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 2:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 872694.  
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Soooo, shades of Isaac Asimov?


In nature, bacteria and viruses are the most adaptive kinds of complex entities.
They exploit evolution w/ a hyper-drive.
So effective in fact, there are many illnesses/diseases we can't cure since we can't manage their mutative ability to overcome our defenses. Bacteria can generate millions of generations in weeks, months, years...... A virus can just slightly mutate a certain protein sequence in it's outer shell that renders previous years of research & an approved treatment abruptly ineffective.

Experts even have trouble, & in some cases can't crack certain programmed computer viruses.

So, imagine a computer w/ above abilities that can evolve even quicker than bacteria and create it's own task-specific, adaptable viruses fully interactive w/ the hive mind and reactive to the external environment.

I'm not even sure we can fully comprehend this kind of power.
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Message 872729 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 3:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 872728.  

So, imagine a computer w/ above abilities that can evolve even quicker than bacteria and create it's own task-specific, adaptable viruses fully interactive w/ the hive mind and reactive to the external environment.

I'm not even sure we can fully comprehend this kind of power.

You can if you've seen Transformers.
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Message 872730 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 3:00:53 UTC - in response to Message 872728.  


Soooo, shades of Isaac Asimov?


In nature, bacteria and viruses are the most adaptive kinds of complex entities.
They exploit evolution w/ a hyper-drive.
So effective in fact, there are many illnesses/diseases we can't cure since we can't manage their mutative ability to overcome our defenses. Bacteria can generate millions of generations in weeks, months, years...... A virus can just slightly mutate a certain protein sequence in it's outer shell that renders previous years of research & an approved treatment abruptly ineffective.

Experts even have trouble, & in some cases can't crack certain programmed computer viruses.

So, imagine a computer w/ above abilities that can evolve even quicker than bacteria and create it's own task-specific, adaptable viruses fully interactive w/ the hive mind and reactive to the external environment.

I'm not even sure we can fully comprehend this kind of power.


I'll bet 'Skynet' can, which makes it even spookier.
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Message 872753 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 5:19:12 UTC

Yo, Dave, got a little job for ya here. . .
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Message 872866 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 14:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 872753.  
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Yo, Dave, got a little job for ya here. . .


Nice!

I think This sum's up Darpa's new Skynet pretty well ; > )
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Message 872909 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 15:47:39 UTC
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"HAL"; 1 letter each away from "IBM"; the article also reminds me of "Colossus: The Forbin Project"
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Message 872963 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 17:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 872909.  
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"HAL"; 1 letter each away from "IBM"; the article also reminds me of "Colossus: The Forbin Project"


2001 still mesmerizes me every time I watch it.
It's quite interesting to see movie "tech" that we actually surpassed by the real 2001, and the tech that we won't likely accomplish before the 21st century.

It's sad to think we'd be so much further along today if Apollo (moon program in general) hadn't been a single goal, but a "milestone" goal that was 1 step in a larger broader initiative that would have continued w/ a colony, Mars exploration, Mars + colony....Jupiter manned mission etc.

40 years of continuing progress at the pace of the Moon initiative, might have actually come pretty close to A.C.C. & Stanley Kubrick's vision.

Perhaps my 3 Y.O. will live to see the vision realized in his lifetime........
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Message 873032 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 20:51:35 UTC - in response to Message 872909.  

"HAL"; 1 letter each away from "IBM"; the article also reminds me of "Colossus: The Forbin Project"



One of my old P4 PCs, was called 'Colossus'.....this one is called 'Proteus'! I also had one called HAL (and a SAL), however, none of them ever exhibited any inclination towards Megalomania, thanks to their Microsoft OSs. With many authorities in the UK, obsessed with CCTV and this new potential, it is getting a little worrying though. There again, as long as MS do the OS for these 'bots, we'll be fine. lol




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Message 873043 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 21:19:15 UTC - in response to Message 872963.  
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"HAL"; 1 letter each away from "IBM"; the article also reminds me of "Colossus: The Forbin Project"


2001 still mesmerizes me every time I watch it.
It's quite interesting to see movie "tech" that we actually surpassed by the real 2001, and the tech that we won't likely accomplish before the 21st century.

Uh, it is the 21st century; you must mean the 22nd.

It's sad to think we'd be so much further along today if Apollo (moon program in general) hadn't been a single goal, but a "milestone" goal that was 1 step in a larger broader initiative that would have continued w/ a colony, Mars exploration, Mars + colony....Jupiter manned mission etc.

40 years of continuing progress at the pace of the Moon initiative, might have actually come pretty close to A.C.C. & Stanley Kubrick's vision.

Perhaps my 3 Y.O. will live to see the vision realized in his lifetime........

Don't know if this is true, but I heard somewhere that if the "Dark Ages" hadn't happened, we might be well beyond Mars colonization by now, technologically-speaking.
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