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Message 871756 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:01:47 UTC
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Why is it okay for western world countries to violate 'Human Rights'?

read my profile for more info, including an email I've sent to the 'Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights' and the 'Council of Europe'.
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Message 871760 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:07:41 UTC

Governments don't care about this, because they like to violate 'human rights'.
The Netherlands has a law about euthanasia. Do you really think I'm allowed to make use of it. No way. See my 'western world violation of human rights is ok?' thread or read my profile.
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Message 871763 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:12:12 UTC - in response to Message 871756.  

Why is okay for western world countries to violate 'Human Rights'?

read my profile for more info, including an email I've sent to the 'Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights' and the 'Council of Europe'.
Actually, Its not ok. It's in the name of National Security that certain individuals have taken it upon themselves with violating international law and treaties



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Message 871768 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:29:27 UTC - in response to Message 871763.  

Actually, Its not ok.


Having the Netherlands violate the rights of children for more than 30 years, while not even 1 nation or the UN accused them for violating human rights, tells me 'that it is okay for western world nations to violate human rights'.
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Message 871769 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:30:23 UTC - in response to Message 871768.  

Sounds like the People of the Netherlands need to revolt against the current govt


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Message 871779 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 16:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 871769.  

Does that mean your gonna revolt too, because the USA has been violating human rights too for many years. Or are you like the other Dutch people (and probably most people of the planet), if you/they are not a victim, you/they don't care.
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Message 871781 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 17:00:18 UTC - in response to Message 871756.  

Why is it okay for western world countries to violate 'Human Rights'?

read my profile for more info, including an email I've sent to the 'Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights' and the 'Council of Europe'.



I havent found the point, that the western countries violate your human rights. Can you please quote the line, where your human right was violated.

Sorry for dump asking.
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Message 871785 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 17:12:18 UTC - in response to Message 871781.  

I havent found the point, that the western countries violate your human rights. Can you please quote the line, where your human right was violated.

Forcing children to work is called childlabour and is a violation of human rights.

Now how would you call it if you force children to go to school?

Forced killing of a human being is called murder.

How would you name forced living?

I've been forced by my government to go to school for over 11 years.
Now it seems I'm forced to live. And yes, I could try to commit suicide (tried it 5-6 times), but if I'm not allowed to use a drug to end my life, then why are you allowed to use drugs to lenghten your life (when you're ill).

So I don't have the right to make use of medical treatment, like other people have. And the Netherlands even has a law about euthanasia, but as I said, I don't seem to have the right to make use of it.

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Message 871806 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 22:17:46 UTC
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Now how would you call it if you force children to go to school?


I call it a privilege. See the kids in poor countries. They want to go to school but often, they are not able to do so, because they are to poor.

I've been forced by my government to go to school for over 11 years.
Now it seems I'm forced to live. And yes, I could try to commit suicide (tried it 5-6 times), but if I'm not allowed to use a drug to end my life, then why are you allowed to use drugs to lenghten your life (when you're ill).


Thank god, that your are still here. Life is a wonderful thing.

So I don't have the right to make use of medical treatment, like other people have. And the Netherlands even has a law about euthanasia, but as I said, I don't seem to have the right to make use of it.


It was discussed in my home country as well. And i am glad that they we have now the same law like the netherlands. Maybe a little bit more harder.
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Message 871807 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 22:17:57 UTC

OK now the thread is starting to run aground. Please try to keep the focus on human rights violations. not your personal attempts at suicide.

I can honestly tell you that it's better to have a kid complaining about having to go to school for 11 or 12 years than have the same kid being illiterate and unable to function or maintain a job that requires thought, knowledge in math and english, and people skills. These are all things kids learn in school. I've worked with people that couldnt read or write and it makes the work come to a grinding halt when you have to verbally explain everything instead of the person just reading it. And yes it takes years of reading to get a person to where they have the ability to comprehend language at a high enough level that Schooling is essential.




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Message 871831 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 23:19:23 UTC - in response to Message 871785.  
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Forcing children to work is called childlabour and is a violation of human rights.


Which is why many nations around the world put an end to it as soon as it is discovered.

Now how would you call it if you force children to go to school?


Most adults realize the value of an education, and that it can help the individual become a contributing member of society. Statistically speaking, lesser educated people tend to be problems of society, turning to drugs and alcohol and violence, using uncontrolled, unchecked emotions to lash out at everyone around them, blaming the world for their own ills and irresponsibilities.

Forced killing of a human being is called murder.

How would you name forced living?


No one is forced to live either. Many people commit suicide every year. Each and every one of them is a sad case that could have been helped, IMO.

The fact that you are here and are willing to talk about it is good.

I've been forced by my government to go to school for over 11 years.
Now it seems I'm forced to live. And yes, I could try to commit suicide (tried it 5-6 times), but if I'm not allowed to use a drug to end my life, then why are you allowed to use drugs to lenghten your life (when you're ill).


Do you believe its OK to harm or murder someone? You already stated that its a violation of human rights to murder, so why should it be OK to murder one's self?

Life is a rare and precious gift, and most people want to live as long as possible, which is why its legal to use drugs to extend your life, but it is not legal to do harm to one's self.

Most people who attempt suicide are feeling overwhelmed by their problems, and they were not given the proper "tools" to work through their problems. They tend to ignore them, hope they will go away; handle them irrationally, or simply feel confused about what decision to make.

When life is getting to you, or you have a problem that you don't know how to handle, it is always best to find a friend that you trust in, that gives you good advice and bounce some ideas off them, or ask for their help. Preferably someone who has some experience with life and can help you make the right decision. Learn from them the skills you need so that you can learn to solve your problems on your own.

If you need to, seek out a counselor. Go to your school counselor and tell them about these feelings you've been having. Go to your parents if you feel they are open minded enough.

Life is hard enough just being a teenager. Everyone has problems, and most everyone has thought about suicide at least one point in their lives, especially during their developmental years while they are young. Its OK. There is nothing wrong with needing a little help now and then.

I'm sure there are people who care about you and would be very sad to see you go if you were to choose to end your life. Please don't be selfish to think of your own hurt and think about the hurt you will cause others who care about you.
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Message 871874 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 1:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 871870.  
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If you really think it would be best for you to die, then why did you fail 5 or 6 times? I mean, there's plenty of sure-fire ways to off yourself. Surely, if you were so determined, you could find a way to make it happen.
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Message 871896 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 2:19:27 UTC
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Yes Ozzfan, I didn't want mention it earlier, but I really feel your one of those who feel they have more rights than others. That only people who want to live, like you, may use medical drugs in anyway they want to extend their life, but everyone who doesn't feel like you or shares your opinion about living, should be denied the use of medical drugs to help assist in their deathwish.

If I was allowed to get decent drugs to end my life in a decent and dignified way, my life would've been over already. But I guess murderers on death row deserve a more decent way to die than me. They don't feel a thing and die in their sleep, but I have to take my life in a horrible way.

I know only 1 person who really showed he wanted to live, he amputated his own arm because he was stuck between a large boulder and rock, but everybody else wants to have a doctor help them and give them drugs when they have surgery or to take away the pain.

We could eliminate the medical sector totally. That way I don't get help if I want to die, and you don't get any help when your ill and you might have a deadly disease. Then there also would't be any medical costs that could get out of hand for any nation. Then I would have the same rights as you, instead of you having more rights than me and you feeling that that seems okay.
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Message 871907 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 2:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 871896.  

It would seem to me that you know nothing about me. You made yourself the subject, I was just asking a question and suddenly you have me labeled already.

So why be allowed drugs? Why not jump off a roof? In front of a bus? Take a bath with a toaster?

Why did you fail?
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Message 871920 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 3:52:16 UTC

When the topic of suicide comes up, emotions get rather elevated.

First off, when someone expresses thoughts of killing themself it doesn't help to suggest alternative methods to simply injesting drugs.

I don't believe that you have thought this through very well S@NL-Mellowman.
You claim the right to end your life with pharmaceuticals. I don't necessarily deny you that right.
But don't you think that the levels of toxins involved to kill you would also taint the same organs that you would have harvested afterwards to save other's lives?

Seems to me that you would be usless as a donor after injesting lethal amount of drugs.

Another point I'd like to make is that suicide is usually the coward's way out.
If your life by age 36 is so wrong for you that these thoughts are coming into your head, then I suggest changing your life.
Not by ending it, but by quiting your job, packing a few essentials and just moving to a completely new place where you have no connections to whatever is making you so unhappy.

Committing suicide is the final act of desperation, but before reaching that point you must try other alternatives to find whatever it is you need to make life bearable, if not actually enjoyable.

Just because you are unhappy in your present situation does not mean that happiness isn't out there somewhere.
Go find it.

Don't squander this one time in all of eternity that you have to experience existance.
It's such a short time we are here and ending it seems such a tragic waste of being.

Even if it's crappy here, endure it because you have the rest of eternity to not exist.
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Message 871927 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 4:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 871896.  
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But I guess murderers on death row deserve a more decent way to die than me. They don't feel a thing and die in their sleep, but I have to take my life in a horrible way.


I would beg to differ on this point. Dying on death row is not "decent", nor is it "dignified".

I refer you to the Penn & Teller clip from their episode "The Death Penalty" refuting the claim that its more humane to die that way. Warning: adult language and mature content is shown.

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Message 871929 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 4:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 871920.  

Committing suicide is the final act of desperation, but before reaching that point you must try other alternatives to find whatever it is you need to make life bearable, if not actually enjoyable.


Everything you say is going to fall on deaf ears. He's already at the point where he wants to end it, and he wants to convince everyone else that he should be allowed to die in a dignified manner.

In order for him to actually want to find an alternative to death, he has to realize that its a problem and not a solution. In order for him to do that, he must admit it to himself first. He's not going to admit to a problem if everyone offers advice that he's not interested in hearing, nor by walking on egg shells.

You are starting at the wrong end of the problem. I know what I am doing, I've dealt with situations like this before.
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Message 871930 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 4:37:34 UTC
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it is said already here that killing yourself is selfish (most) thing to do, but consider still leaving note where you ask for mercy from the one who has to clean up your mess(body i mean)
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Message 871993 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 12:02:33 UTC

I agree with OzzFan. When you want to die, there are a lot of safe ways to do suicide.

But i am to much christian, to support that. There is no reason why.
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Message 872021 - Posted: 4 Mar 2009, 13:44:46 UTC - in response to Message 871929.  

Committing suicide is the final act of desperation, but before reaching that point you must try other alternatives to find whatever it is you need to make life bearable, if not actually enjoyable.

Everything you say is going to fall on deaf ears. He's already at the point where he wants to end it, and he wants to convince everyone else that he should be allowed to die in a dignified manner.

More accurately, he's noting that you have no right to control his choices with his life. Not that he should be "allowed" to die, but that you have no right to prevent him from doing so.

In order for him to actually want to find an alternative to death, he has to realize that its a problem and not a solution. In order for him to do that, he must admit it to himself first. He's not going to admit to a problem if everyone offers advice that he's not interested in hearing, nor by walking on egg shells.

He has to do no such thing simply cuz yew sez so. If he has reached a different conclusion than the one you have reached, he is entitled to do so.

You are starting at the wrong end of the problem. I know what I am doing, I've dealt with situations like this before.

You could have fooled me.
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