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Message 930826 - Posted: 4 Sep 2009, 11:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 930812.  

Traffic jams around Monza can be awful. This year, with an Italian driver on a Ferrari, they probably will be worse than ever. Also, the racetrack lies within the Park of the Royal Villa, and after the race it looks like a trash dump. So I prefer not to increase its entropy and see the race from my living room, near my fridge. I might even uncork a bottle of Schioppettino if Fisi wins and a bottle of German beer if Kimi wins. Cheers.
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The Finns do make some good beers, although the best try to have German sounding names. And there is always Finnish white potato wine.

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Message 930930 - Posted: 4 Sep 2009, 19:21:41 UTC

[b]Formula One's governing body has summoned Renault to a hearing to answer charges that they fixed the outcome of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.

Renault called to face fix charge

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Message 931095 - Posted: 5 Sep 2009, 2:15:28 UTC

If they are guilty the 2008 title should go to Massa,
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Message 931202 - Posted: 5 Sep 2009, 15:37:13 UTC - in response to Message 931095.  

If they are guilty the 2008 title should go to Massa,
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Or are you suggesting that all Singapore results should be disqualified, (LewHam came 3rd and Felipe 13th at Singapore 2008)? Otherwise, disqualifying Renault from Singapore 2008 will increase LewHam's end of season points total by 2 and Felipe's by 0. Given the animosity between the 2007 McLaren drivers, and Alonso's desire to drive a red car, it's doubtful that Alonso would have done anything deliberately to help LewHam's title chances at the expense of Massa. I find the possibility that Renault's alleged actions did this, umm, ironic :)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 931231 - Posted: 5 Sep 2009, 17:37:50 UTC

This hypothesis was advanced by an Italian sports newspaper. But let's wait for the result of the inquiry. Car racing is becoming similar to bicycle racing, where results can be overturned later.
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Message 931530 - Posted: 6 Sep 2009, 23:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 931202.  

If they are guilty the 2008 title should go to Massa,
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Or are you suggesting that all Singapore results should be disqualified, (LewHam came 3rd and Felipe 13th at Singapore 2008)? Otherwise, disqualifying Renault from Singapore 2008 will increase LewHam's end of season points total by 2 and Felipe's by 0. Given the animosity between the 2007 McLaren drivers, and Alonso's desire to drive a red car, it's doubtful that Alonso would have done anything deliberately to help LewHam's title chances at the expense of Massa. I find the possibility that Renault's alleged actions did this, umm, ironic :)



What happened with Piquet throwing Renault under the bus reminds me a lot of when Mangini ratted out the Pats for video taping.
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Message 931662 - Posted: 7 Sep 2009, 13:23:03 UTC - in response to Message 931530.  

If they are guilty the 2008 title should go to Massa,
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Or are you suggesting that all Singapore results should be disqualified, (LewHam came 3rd and Felipe 13th at Singapore 2008)? Otherwise, disqualifying Renault from Singapore 2008 will increase LewHam's end of season points total by 2 and Felipe's by 0. Given the animosity between the 2007 McLaren drivers, and Alonso's desire to drive a red car, it's doubtful that Alonso would have done anything deliberately to help LewHam's title chances at the expense of Massa. I find the possibility that Renault's alleged actions did this, umm, ironic :)



What happened with Piquet throwing Renault under the bus reminds me a lot of when Mangini ratted out the Pats for video taping.


Piquet was sorted out.
He wasn´t good enough.

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Message 932746 - Posted: 12 Sep 2009, 13:04:52 UTC

Monza qualifying:
1 Hamilton McLaren
2 Sutil Force India
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Kovalainen McLaren
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Message 932749 - Posted: 12 Sep 2009, 13:13:40 UTC - in response to Message 932746.  

Monza qualifying:
1 Hamilton McLaren
2 Sutil Force India
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Kovalainen McLaren


And Fisi behind both Force Indias!

Still, considering the small number of laps he has actually done in the Ferrari, it's amazing he is where he is. He can only get better.

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Message 932750 - Posted: 12 Sep 2009, 13:16:26 UTC - in response to Message 932749.  

Yes, Fisi will come out in the race.
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Message 932768 - Posted: 12 Sep 2009, 14:26:14 UTC

Sutil is in a sandwich with 2 Kers cars.
He has no chance.

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Message 932778 - Posted: 12 Sep 2009, 15:34:38 UTC
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Message 932945 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 1:49:40 UTC - in response to Message 932768.  

Sutil is in a sandwich with 2 Kers cars.
He has no chance.

Number 4 has Kers too. Can you say move over.
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Message 933006 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 8:22:59 UTC - in response to Message 932945.  

Sutil is in a sandwich with 2 Kers cars.
He has no chance.

Number 4 has Kers too. Can you say move over.


You are right Carlos.
We´ll see.

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Message 933039 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 13:21:40 UTC

1 Barrichello
2 Button
3 Raikkonen
4 Sutil
Hamilton out at last lap while third
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Message 933046 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 14:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 933039.  

1 Barrichello
2 Button
3 Raikkonen
4 Sutil
Hamilton out at last lap while third


Hamilton out while stupid.

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Message 933052 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 15:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 933046.  

1 Barrichello
2 Button
3 Raikkonen
4 Sutil
Hamilton out at last lap while third


Hamilton out while stupid.


North American TV didn't show the whole Hamilton crash. Why did the back wheel come off, when he hit the wall with the front? Did something break before he spun?

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Message 933053 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 15:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 933052.  
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North American TV didn't show the whole Hamilton crash. Why did the back wheel come off, when he hit the wall with the front? Did something break before he spun?

The people from Italian TV said the race was viewed and broadcast by a team belonging to Bernie Ecclestone and they had no way of showing anything else. So I cannot answer your question. There was no helicopter covering.
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Message 933060 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 15:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 933053.  


North American TV didn't show the whole Hamilton crash. Why did the back wheel come off, when he hit the wall with the front? Did something break before he spun?

The people from Italian TV said the race was viewed and broadcast by a team belonging to Bernie Ecclestone and they had no way of showing anything else. So I cannot answer your question. There was no helicopter covering.


I saw the wheel too and it looked like there might have been something going on, but Lewis Hamilton admitted he made a mistake. He admitted that he just pushed too hard. "We didn't have the pace so I was pushing every lap like it was qualifying. The car was still good today, just not good enough. I can only apologize to my team and all my fans,"
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Message 935752 - Posted: 25 Sep 2009, 0:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 931231.  

This hypothesis was advanced by an Italian sports newspaper. But let's wait for the result of the inquiry. Car racing is becoming similar to bicycle racing, where results can be overturned later.
Tullio


The results are in, and man what a mess. Alsonso appears to have walked away from it pretty cleanly, but no more Flavio, which is a shame, though if he was involved (a charge he denies, but others involved say he was), not undeserved. Looks like the Italian press's desire to have the 2008 standings overturned has not come to pass, so LewHam remains the 2008 champion.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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