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Message 848273 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 17:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 848216.  

The offices at Berkeley will be opening in about an hour or so so be patient..it will resolve itself.

Methinks they shall be avoiding that pass..........
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Message 848277 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 18:05:49 UTC - in response to Message 848221.  

The offices at Berkeley will be opening in about an hour or so so be patient..it will resolve itself.

Only if they bring a gigabit hill-climbing pipe with them - nothing the staff can do about maxxed-out bandwidth.


Yes they could improve their use of the bandwidth by improving the boinc cache filling algorithm. But that topic has been chewed on in another thread and seems to have been ignored (of course).
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Message 848280 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 18:08:43 UTC

Have received a bunch of WU´s yet. Only the uploads are not working well.
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Message 848305 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 18:57:17 UTC - in response to Message 848277.  

The offices at Berkeley will be opening in about an hour or so so be patient..it will resolve itself.

Only if they bring a gigabit hill-climbing pipe with them - nothing the staff can do about maxxed-out bandwidth.


Yes they could improve their use of the bandwidth by improving the boinc cache filling algorithm. But that topic has been chewed on in another thread and seems to have been ignored (of course).

BOINC (not SETI) has a manpower issue too.

The best way to get some feature into BOINC is to write the code, debug it, and submit it.
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Message 848319 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 19:27:41 UTC
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In case some people are not used to the Cricket Graph, here is a summary of what is happening



You will notice that the current recovery has been flat out for several hours , compared with a normal outage where the traffic drops off fairly quickly.

Hope this helps. :-)

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Message 848355 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 20:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 847929.  

I signed on the week before Christmas and decided to participate.

I have had nothing but problems with the CUDA app and with geeting work from the server and connecting to it to tansmit results.

The pity is that scientific types and techie types who want to help are begining to walk way from participating.

Gentlemen, Ladies, there are two many bugs and aberations to warrant our investment in time and utilities.



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Message 848360 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 20:34:01 UTC


@ Sulcus

SETI@home preferences/ Use Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) if available YES/NO

So you can choose if CPU or GPU..

The CPU-application is bug-free.

Don't forget to install an optimized application! :-)

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Message 848367 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 20:42:10 UTC

When I heard the fan kick up just a minute ago, I knew what that meant: got plenty of new WUs!

[Downloading a bunch as I write...]

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Message 848379 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 21:18:46 UTC - in response to Message 848367.  

Except for a couple of uploads that are still stuck, both machines just got a nice round of work.

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Message 848402 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 22:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 848305.  

The offices at Berkeley will be opening in about an hour or so so be patient..it will resolve itself.

Only if they bring a gigabit hill-climbing pipe with them - nothing the staff can do about maxxed-out bandwidth.


Yes they could improve their use of the bandwidth by improving the boinc cache filling algorithm. But that topic has been chewed on in another thread and seems to have been ignored (of course).

BOINC (not SETI) has a manpower issue too.

The best way to get some feature into BOINC is to write the code, debug it, and submit it.


Yes, that might be said of any issue and would be equally pompous and nonsensical.

A better reply would be to encourage the competent people who do decide what to work on to prioritize improvements to the network use, at least by seeking better software solutions. I, and most users I suspect, are not competent for that task, but we all suffer if the system could be improved but isn't.
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Message 848407 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 22:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 848402.  

A better reply would be to encourage the competent people who do decide what to work on to prioritize improvements to the network use, at least by seeking better software solutions. I, and most users I suspect, are not competent for that task, but we all suffer if the system could be improved but isn't.

I don't suffer, that's the joy of having a cache. Or multiple projects.
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Message 848423 - Posted: 2 Jan 2009, 23:35:16 UTC - in response to Message 848355.  

I signed on the week before Christmas and decided to participate.

I have had nothing but problems with the CUDA app and with geeting work from the server and connecting to it to tansmit results.

The pity is that scientific types and techie types who want to help are begining to walk way from participating.

Gentlemen, Ladies, there are two many bugs and aberations to warrant our investment in time and utilities.




Hmmm - the scientific types and techies associated with SETI haven't posted their walking papers on THIS forum to my knowledge. I'm neither a scientist nor a Techie BUT I do know that advances in science and technology don't always go smoothly - and THAT is the adventure of both disciplines. I also know that advances in BOTH disciplines are generated by those providing solutions as well as persistance in overcoming aberrations such as you object to. I've been with SETI since 2003 - and if you think the current problems are bad - you haven't been through some of the black weeks we had with SETI Classic
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Message 848430 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 0:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 848423.  

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Gee.......and my comments go unheeded......my wish list goes unneeded.......and ya wonder where I wander.......

Some of you make me more aware of why I drink.............
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Message 848440 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 0:30:40 UTC - in response to Message 848402.  

The offices at Berkeley will be opening in about an hour or so so be patient..it will resolve itself.

Only if they bring a gigabit hill-climbing pipe with them - nothing the staff can do about maxxed-out bandwidth.


Yes they could improve their use of the bandwidth by improving the boinc cache filling algorithm. But that topic has been chewed on in another thread and seems to have been ignored (of course).

BOINC (not SETI) has a manpower issue too.

The best way to get some feature into BOINC is to write the code, debug it, and submit it.


Yes, that might be said of any issue and would be equally pompous and nonsensical.

A better reply would be to encourage the competent people who do decide what to work on to prioritize improvements to the network use, at least by seeking better software solutions. I, and most users I suspect, are not competent for that task, but we all suffer if the system could be improved but isn't.


I really appreciate the Ad Hominem attack. You don't like what I have to say, so therefore I'm being "pompous and nonsensical."

I'm a realist.

I know that I could sit out here in the grandstands, and like you, take pot-shots at the developers.

I know that I can wave my hands, decry the end of the SETI-universe, and offer sage advice based on my 39 years of programming, and nearly two decades of networking.

Realistically, I'm just another cruncher.

I've have pushed gently for what I think should be a change to how BOINC schedules connections to all servers (it isn't work fetch as much as the the sheer number of connections, IMO), and since I think it'd be useful, I'm looking at what it would take to write the code myself.

... but I won't criticize the developers for not adopting my agenda, and I won't roast them for "failing" because frankly, everything works pretty well most of the time, and we haven't had a truly painful outage in a long time.

Either way, that's how it works on open source projects and most organizations where the work is done by volunteers.

Since we're talking about "bad science" alot lately, let me also point out that everyone complaining (directly) about CUDA is self-selected. Matt says that 3% of the results are coming from CUDA, but we don't know what percentage of those are validating -- all we see in the forums are the problems.

So, while the complaints are an indicator that there is a problem, and problems should (in general) be fixed, we have no idea of the size of the problem, just that 97% of the results are not coming from CUDA, and the only real "danger" is if two "broken" CUDA results validate -- and are wrong. That seems unlikely (less that 0.1% of the time, maybe a lot less).
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Message 848466 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 1:58:43 UTC


Took a bit longer than i thought, but the last of my uploads has finally gone through & now the downloads are starting to occur in dribs & drabs.
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Message 848507 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 3:55:40 UTC

I'm all shook-up!!! Quite a ride can't wait to get to the end!!


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Message 848529 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 4:45:52 UTC - in response to Message 848466.  

Same here. Most uploads have been taken care of and a few machines now are getting new work units.

Hope you all had a Happy New Year.
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Message 848564 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 7:03:54 UTC


Looks like the storm has passed, although it won't be long before we get the usual 00:00hr Berkeley time surge in traffic.
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Message 850073 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 11:13:05 UTC

Good news at last!

The BOINC download server has gone AWOL - no more crappy v6.4.5 or v6.5.0 installations for a while.
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Message 850091 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 12:18:29 UTC - in response to Message 850073.  


"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov
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