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Message 837885 - Posted: 8 Dec 2008, 3:05:11 UTC

I just got me a new Quadie :D AMD Phenom 9500 quad core
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Now to install BOINC and see what kind of SETI@Home stats we have with this puppy!

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Message 837939 - Posted: 8 Dec 2008, 10:05:52 UTC

good luck with your new Phenom :-)
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Message 837940 - Posted: 8 Dec 2008, 10:27:58 UTC - in response to Message 837885.  
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I just got me a new Quadie :D AMD Phenom 9500 quad core
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Now to install BOINC and see what kind of SETI@Home stats we have with this puppy!

How long before you OC it or is it already? ;P
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Message 837961 - Posted: 8 Dec 2008, 14:44:13 UTC

you should be able to get 2000-3000 rac if you use the op app. OCing won't help that much. AMD Phenoms's don't OC that easily. If that is a Black BOX Phenom you should be able to hit 2.8 ghz. THe regular version has problems around 2.4 ghz.


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Message 838126 - Posted: 9 Dec 2008, 2:28:47 UTC

I don't plan to OC it. I am going to get my optimized app tonight ;)

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Message 838653 - Posted: 10 Dec 2008, 23:26:37 UTC

I want a quad core so bad. :(
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Message 838714 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 3:34:13 UTC - in response to Message 838653.  

I want a quad core so bad. :(

I built mine for about $800

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Message 838725 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 4:20:55 UTC

I am looking at these items.

(2) WINTEC AMPX 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model 
Model #:3AXT6400C5-2048
$49.98
	
GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard 	
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$54.99
	

MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 
Model #:R4650-D512
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hec HP585D RETAIL 585W ATX12V Power Supply - Power Cord Included - Retail
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor 
Model BX80580Q8200 	
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Western Digital Caviar GP WD5000AACS 500GB 5400 to 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 
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Subtotal: 	$451.93


I already have a case I can use.

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Message 838738 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 5:28:29 UTC - in response to Message 838725.  

I am looking at these items.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor 
Model BX80580Q8200 	
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I already have a case I can use.



If you live anywhere near a Microcenter, you can get the Q8200 or Q9300 (in store only) for 179.99, FYI

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Message 838929 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 17:23:33 UTC

Fry's electronics was offering a Phenom 9750 and an ECS(YECH) MOBO for $149

THats about $5.00 less than the actual CPU Costs alone.


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Message 838974 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 19:22:22 UTC - in response to Message 838725.  

I am looking at these items.

MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 
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Woun't you regret you bought ATI Radeon when SETI@home move on NVidia CUDA?
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Message 839010 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 21:13:29 UTC

Folding@home works great on ATI GPU's.
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Message 839083 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 0:51:04 UTC - in response to Message 838974.  

I am looking at these items.

MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 
Model #:R4650-D512
$69.99	


Woun't you regret you bought ATI Radeon when SETI@home move on NVidia CUDA?


I know I don't. The Radeon 4000 series outperforms the nVidia parts at a typically cheaper price. Perhaps SETI should work a little harder to get the ATI chips to work too, because I have a few powerful Radeons waiting for work.
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Message 839126 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 3:50:57 UTC - in response to Message 839083.  

I am looking at these items.

MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 
Model #:R4650-D512
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Woun't you regret you bought ATI Radeon when SETI@home move on NVidia CUDA?


I know I don't. The Radeon 4000 series outperforms the nVidia parts at a typically cheaper price. Perhaps SETI should work a little harder to get the ATI chips to work too, because I have a few powerful Radeons waiting for work.


The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.

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Message 839147 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 5:54:32 UTC - in response to Message 839126.  

I am looking at these items.

MSI R4650-D512 Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 
Model #:R4650-D512
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Woun't you regret you bought ATI Radeon when SETI@home move on NVidia CUDA?


I know I don't. The Radeon 4000 series outperforms the nVidia parts at a typically cheaper price. Perhaps SETI should work a little harder to get the ATI chips to work too, because I have a few powerful Radeons waiting for work.


The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.


Oh, I'm aware of the problems with porting GPU apps, and the struggles in getting support from the manufacturers to build efficient apps. Its just that I prefer ATi chips and I know they're every bit as powerful, even if they're not always the crown winner, in being capable to do some decent crunching.
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Message 839152 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 6:11:40 UTC

It would be nice for those of us with ATi cards. Mine isn't the fastest by a long shot, but it would still be nice to use it.
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Message 839291 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 19:09:05 UTC - in response to Message 839126.  

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The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.

Finally..someone who agrees that OpenGL is the way to go! DirectX needs to go away. If game developers weren't being paid off by M$ to be DX exclusive, they could make games that would work on all platforms regardless of OS, thanks to the incredible performance of OpenGL.

I've got a 1GB 8800GT and 1024x768 DX9 tests (and games) typically run with all the eye candy at about 70fps. OpenGL tests on 1280x1024 typically run between 600-999 (maxes out the counting mechanism)fps. I mean, c'mon, it's a given.. let's move to OpenGL already!

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Message 839335 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 21:06:41 UTC - in response to Message 839291.  

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The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.

Finally..someone who agrees that OpenGL is the way to go! DirectX needs to go away. If game developers weren't being paid off by M$ to be DX exclusive, they could make games that would work on all platforms regardless of OS, thanks to the incredible performance of OpenGL.

I've got a 1GB 8800GT and 1024x768 DX9 tests (and games) typically run with all the eye candy at about 70fps. OpenGL tests on 1280x1024 typically run between 600-999 (maxes out the counting mechanism)fps. I mean, c'mon, it's a given.. let's move to OpenGL already!

[/rant]


You did notice that he referred to OpenCL and not OpenGL, right? Almost the same, but slightly different. I don't think this movement has anything to do with M$ and them forcing everyone to use DirectX.
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Message 839552 - Posted: 13 Dec 2008, 13:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 839335.  

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The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.

Finally..someone who agrees that OpenGL is the way to go! DirectX needs to go away. If game developers weren't being paid off by M$ to be DX exclusive, they could make games that would work on all platforms regardless of OS, thanks to the incredible performance of OpenGL.

I've got a 1GB 8800GT and 1024x768 DX9 tests (and games) typically run with all the eye candy at about 70fps. OpenGL tests on 1280x1024 typically run between 600-999 (maxes out the counting mechanism)fps. I mean, c'mon, it's a given.. let's move to OpenGL already!

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You did notice that he referred to OpenCL and not OpenGL, right? Almost the same, but slightly different. I don't think this movement has anything to do with M$ and them forcing everyone to use DirectX.

Doh! Yeah, I saw G and not C. I still think DX needs to be banished. :p
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Message 839566 - Posted: 13 Dec 2008, 14:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 839552.  

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The problem is that programming for GPUs is not very portable. However, that may end as OpenCL spec becomes adopted. Both AMD and Nvidia are backing it and thus we may see better cross-GPU development efforts.

Also we may see Nvidia retake the performance crown and hopefully notch down prices in general in the next month or so when they release a new revision of their GTX200 series GPUs.

Finally..someone who agrees that OpenGL is the way to go! DirectX needs to go away. If game developers weren't being paid off by M$ to be DX exclusive, they could make games that would work on all platforms regardless of OS, thanks to the incredible performance of OpenGL.

I've got a 1GB 8800GT and 1024x768 DX9 tests (and games) typically run with all the eye candy at about 70fps. OpenGL tests on 1280x1024 typically run between 600-999 (maxes out the counting mechanism)fps. I mean, c'mon, it's a given.. let's move to OpenGL already!

[/rant]


You did notice that he referred to OpenCL and not OpenGL, right? Almost the same, but slightly different. I don't think this movement has anything to do with M$ and them forcing everyone to use DirectX.

Doh! Yeah, I saw G and not C. I still think DX needs to be banished. :p


I actually agree. I think that DirectX was/is just another way for Microsoft to attempt to control standards while making it Windows exclusive. The only good thing about DirectX is that it seems to have matured faster than OpenGL and its derivatives.

What sucks even more is that they have removed (I think its called) DirectSound which allows the sound card driver to work directly with the sound card hardware for faster performance (because generally Microsoft does not allow drivers to touch the actual hardware but work through Window's Hardware Abstraction Layer). This is the main ingredient to Creative Lab's EAX and its considerable speed over other sound cards and is also why most gamers prefer Creative Labs based cards over the compeition, and that advantage has been removed with Windows Vista in DirectX 10.

Unfortunately, I also know that the number one cause of crashes and instability on gamer's systems has been poorly written sound card drivers that attempt to access the hardware directly, and this was/is another step in improving system stability in Windows, so I'm reluctant to admit that its a necessary evil if developers cannot write quality drivers.

Sorry for being off topic.
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