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Message 821059 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 17:50:13 UTC

ONE MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN IRAQ!

Iraq Body Count

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At what point do we stop calling it collateral damage and start calling it genocide...
At what point should Muslims realize that non-Muslims are humans too...
At what point will we admit that we are wrong... ;)



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Message 821065 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 17:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 821059.  

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is blowing in the wind
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Message 821076 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 18:44:39 UTC

Ask your Muslim friends. Most of them died, because they are innocent victims of suicide bombers. And, that the important thing, they are targeting mostly civil persons.
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Message 821112 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 20:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 821076.  
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Ask your Muslim friends. Most of them died,

You expect me to believe that Muslims hated Americans and our freedoms and our way of life so bad that they traveled all the way across the globe to kick down two of our buildings only to return home and ignore our troops and kill each other... I'm not buying it...

1,000,000 /(7 years x 365 days = 2555 days) = 391 bombs per day /24 hours = 16 bombs per minute...
With 16 fatalities per bomb, that makes for A BOMB A MINUTE FOR SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT...

And THAT, is a miracle statement in itself! ;)

(The part I quoted, now THAT I can believe.)
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Message 821123 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 20:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 821112.  

Ask your Muslim friends. Most of them died,

You expect me to believe that Muslims hated Americans and our freedoms and our way of life so bad that they traveled all the way across the globe to kick down two of our buildings only to return home and ignore our troops and kill each other... I'm not buying it...

1,000,000 /(7 years x 365 days = 2555 days) = 391 bombs per day /24 hours = 16 bombs per minute...
With 16 fatalities per bomb, that makes for A BOMB A MINUTE FOR SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT...

And THAT, is a miracle statement in itself! ;)

(The part I quoted, now THAT I can believe.)


Jeffery--there's been Taliban videos specifically from Obama Bin Laden admitting directly that they did the 9/11 bombings---how can you not believe that??


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Message 821131 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 20:43:33 UTC

OFF TOPIC BLURF... ;)

(There are plenty of videos in the 911 thread for those who believe everything they see.)
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Message 821152 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 21:10:11 UTC

Since you're avoiding a direct response to your question (not off-topic), how about replying.

Ask your Muslim friends. Most of them died,

You expect me to believe that Muslims hated Americans and our freedoms and our way of life so bad that they traveled all the way across the globe to kick down two of our buildings only to return home and ignore our troops and kill each other... I'm not buying it...

1,000,000 /(7 years x 365 days = 2555 days) = 391 bombs per day /24 hours = 16 bombs per minute...
With 16 fatalities per bomb, that makes for A BOMB A MINUTE FOR SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT...

And THAT, is a miracle statement in itself! ;)

(The part I quoted, now THAT I can believe.)


Jeffery--there's been Taliban videos specifically from Obama Bin Laden admitting directly that they did the 9/11 bombings---how can you not believe that??


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Message 821159 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 21:16:40 UTC

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 911 AND THE WAR IN IRAQ! REMEMBER???

THEREFORE, IT IS OFF TOPIC! ;)
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Message 821161 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 21:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 821112.  


You expect me to believe that Muslims hated Americans and our freedoms and our way of life so bad that they traveled all the way across the globe to kick down two of our buildings only to return home and ignore our troops and kill each other... I'm not buying it...

Well, I don't believe that either. I think a small subgroup of muslims has gotten so disgusted with the blasphemy [sorry can't remember the Arabic word] that western culture provides on TV, believing that Desperate Housewives is a documentary show, that they came over here and knocked down a couple of buildings hoping that western corporations, whose only ethic is greed, would see the world through Qur'an colored glasses. When that failed they decided to kill muslims not in their subgroup they see as promoting the blasphemy of western culture in their homeland. In the mean time we kicked out the only government that was there and able to contain this subgroup from violence at home out of office. When we leave, this subgroup, being the most violent, will wield the power.

What they and most everyone fails to understand is that the greed of corporations is a requirement that has been placed upon them by law. This body of law, called fiduciary duty, needs to be changed. It needs to be changed so that the piece of paper called a corporation has to have civic duties which are higher than the duty to maximize profit for the shareholder. Maximizing the profit to the shareholder results in fraud, like a sub-prime mortgage crises. We all know where that leaves us.

I'm not up on Sharia, but I know that borrowing and lending money is frowned upon. I don't know what it would say about a corporation which can't exist without borrowing as that is what selling shares is.

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Message 821168 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 21:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 821159.  

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 911 AND THE WAR IN IRAQ! REMEMBER???

THEREFORE, IT IS OFF TOPIC! ;)


I have never said I personally believed there was or wasn't a connection between 9/11 or the War in Iraq.

Again--I state that Osama Bin Laden has put out multiple videos admitting they the Al Qaeda was responsible for the bombings--not only of WTC but the Spain Train bombings as well. That tells me yes--there are muslims that are willing to come over--bomb us--and return to fight each other.


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Message 821170 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 21:51:53 UTC - in response to Message 821112.  

Ask your Muslim friends. Most of them died,

You expect me to believe that Muslims hated Americans and our freedoms and our way of life so bad that they traveled all the way across the globe to kick down two of our buildings only to return home and ignore our troops and kill each other... I'm not buying it...

1,000,000 /(7 years x 365 days = 2555 days) = 391 bombs per day /24 hours = 16 bombs per minute...
With 16 fatalities per bomb, that makes for A BOMB A MINUTE FOR SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT...

And THAT, is a miracle statement in itself! ;)

(The part I quoted, now THAT I can believe.)



Jeffrey but they are doing it. Go into a German Mosque an listen. There are hate preacher and they want to have a country like the Iran. Go and kill all the supporters of the nonbeliever. Make terror and tell other Muslims the unbelievers are guilty. And you are believing them. Thats bad Jeffrey!
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Message 821180 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 22:17:59 UTC - in response to Message 821170.  

There are hate preacher

There are Christian hate preachers too... ;)

(You expect me to believe that you have set one foot inside of a Muslim Mosque?)
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Message 821183 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 22:22:55 UTC - in response to Message 821180.  

There are hate preacher

There are Christian hate preachers too... ;)

(You expect me to believe that you have set one foot inside of a Muslim Mosque?)


After helping a local mosque clean up some vandalism to ther property and building, my wife and I were invited to and attended a service last year and attended.


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Message 821382 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 4:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 821161.  
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What they and most everyone fails to understand is that the greed of corporations is a requirement that has been placed upon them by law. This body of law, called fiduciary duty, needs to be changed. It needs to be changed so that the piece of paper called a corporation has to have civic duties which are higher than the duty to maximize profit for the shareholder. Maximizing the profit to the shareholder results in fraud, like a sub-prime mortgage crises. We all know where that leaves us.

I'm not up on Sharia, but I know that borrowing and lending money is frowned upon. I don't know what it would say about a corporation which can't exist without borrowing as that is what selling shares is.


How can you believe this crap about the corporations caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis? If the corporations were greedy, they would never make sub-prime mortgages because they would lose money. The government forced them to lower standards so people that couldn't pay could get mortgages. Janet Reno and Acorn over threats of fines and racism forced the companies to make very risky mortgages. When Fannie and Freddie(protected by government again) bought them they could sell more. The cause is over regulation by the government not greed. Greed may have later made it worse, because of what Fannie and Fredie was doing. Back on topic.
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Message 821410 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 5:22:48 UTC - in response to Message 821183.  

There are hate preacher

There are Christian hate preachers too... ;)

(You expect me to believe that you have set one foot inside of a Muslim Mosque?)


After helping a local mosque clean up some vandalism to ther property and building, my wife and I were invited to and attended a service last year and attended.



let me quess, vandalism was not made by muslims, but against them,
and that happen in usa, and propably they who did that happen to be
white male who believe jesus, but not what he teached
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Message 821440 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 7:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 821410.  

There are hate preacher

There are Christian hate preachers too... ;)

(You expect me to believe that you have set one foot inside of a Muslim Mosque?)


After helping a local mosque clean up some vandalism to there property and building, my wife and I were invited to and attended a service last year and attended.



let me guess, vandalism was not made by Muslims, but against them,
and that happen in USA, and probably they who did that happen to be
white male who believe Jesus, but not what he teached

There was a people called the Vandals at one time and that is where the word vandalism comes from.
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Message 821443 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 7:55:30 UTC

i knew that
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Message 821453 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 10:50:15 UTC - in response to Message 821180.  

There are hate preacher

There are Christian hate preachers too... ;)

(You expect me to believe that you have set one foot inside of a Muslim Mosque?)



Please quote the last Christian hate preacher (in the last 50 years), which has invited others, to kill Muslims in the name of God. And don´t care about innocent victims.

And yes, every year, we he have the day of the open Mosque´s in Germany. I went there last year. And for your information, i went into a synagogue as well, and last but not least: Two years ago, i had the chance to listen to the Dalai Lama. It was very exiting for me.

But thats all off topic and only an answer to your post.

Please inform yourself, what happens in the Iraq. Thats more a civil war. Kurd are fighting vs. Muslims. Shiites are fighting vs. the Sunni, etc....

the soldiers are only the "Policemen" over there.
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Message 821471 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 11:56:39 UTC
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funny that they did not kill each other same way before.
(and the kurdistam issue is different, as it happens in all countrys
where they live)
so, good that at last there are "police" keeping them not to kill each other,
and keeping peace on iraq
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Message 821485 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 13:00:22 UTC - in response to Message 821451.  


This has nothing to do with over-regulation, but in fact is systemic of
half measured regulations. The " Greed Street" crowd would never have gotten
their greedy fingers into this speculative no-mans land if government oversight
had done its job.

So I beg the people of the United States of America to do the the
wise/just/honorable thing and elect a president for whom these domestic and
foreign policy issues are a daily "bread and butter" thing.

It's not just about "You" anymore.

Om TAT SAT!

You need over sight when the government gets involved in the markets. The government created a new sub-prime market by meddling in the mortgage business, Fannie and Freddie were there to take the risk away from the market. No risk then greed takes over and a bubble is created. The problem is giving homes to people who could not pay for them(welfare paid by taxes). Obama will do more of this socialism. The US does not want to become over taxed like Europe is.
Back on topic.
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