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JDWhale Send message Joined: 6 Apr 99 Posts: 921 Credit: 21,935,817 RAC: 3 |
Freddie Mercury said it best ... Another One Bites The Dust Ya Baa more likely... |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Freddie Mercury said it best ... Another One Bites The Dust Ya ba.........(crash........oh.....wat wus dat, mon???) "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Freddie Mercury said it best ... Another One Bites The Dust Sounds like the ST-4096 hdd failure fiasco all over again, Lots of them were being made and the quality control was very bad, Hope You can get a refund or store credit for the Junk Drives. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3194 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Any preludes (clicks of death, etc) prior to the sudden death that WD and Seagate have been known to make? Btw... checkout the reviews at Tiger Direct ... quite a few complaints about drives suddenly dying... REVIEW BY: nick Reviewed Jul 26, 2008 REVIEW BY: Reviewed Apr 10, 2008 |
Paul D Harris Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 1122 Credit: 33,600,005 RAC: 0 |
I got 2 of the same exact drives at the same time from Tiger Direct about 2 months ago but mine are OK I just think the software is very bad and I do not recommend Sea Gate Drives. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Any preludes (clicks of death, etc) prior to the sudden death that WD and Seagate have been known to make? Ah yes, The Seagate curse is back. ;) I'm lucky though that My 250GB Seagate has always worked and It's the only Seagate I own too. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Leaps-from-Shadows Send message Joined: 11 Aug 08 Posts: 323 Credit: 259,220 RAC: 0 |
Ahhhhhhh....so it appears there is a difference between a hard drive that they expect to be turned on and off with limited running hours as in a desktop application and one that they expect to be running 24/7 as in a server (or in my case Seti crunching) application..... Desktop-class drives are made from components that are certified/tested for three to four power-cycles per day. The average drive only spends a few hours powered on per day, so they tend to run cooler. Enterprise-class drives are made for the long haul. They use components certified/tested for one power-cycle per (manufacturer's choice of interval - usually a month or so). They are designed for 24/365, and can tolerate higher temps. That's why normal desktop drives fail quicker on the SETI@home crunchers that run close to 24/365 - they just aren't made for that kind of abuse. It's kind of like using a minivan at a long-haul trucking company. Cruiser Gateway GT5692 L-f-S Edition -Phenom X4 9650 CPU -4GB 667MHz DDR2 RAM -500GB SATA HD -Vista x64 SP1 -BOINC 6.2.19 32-bit client -SSE3 optimized 32-bit apps |
Paul D Harris Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 1122 Credit: 33,600,005 RAC: 0 |
My Seagates have a 120MM fan blowing on them and they do not get above 35C or 36C |
Vid Vidmar* Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 136 Credit: 1,830,317 RAC: 0 |
Funny thing. A friend of mine just brought a failed 250GB Seagate HD for inspection (and this one was made in Thailand too). Luckily I read this thread and now I don't think I will even plug that brick into my PC. Otherwise, I have been more than satisfied with Samsungs for almost 2 years now. They run quiet, reliable and cool. In one Core2 PC (e6600) I have 2x500GB in RAID0 configuration, in the other (q9450) there are 4x750GB in RAID10, working superwell. Greetings, |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Any preludes (clicks of death, etc) prior to the sudden death that WD and Seagate have been known to make? No.......nary a whimper from that drives before they died.......... Just cruzing along on the forums as usual and suddenly things came to a dead stop......... Will have to try and contact Tiger tomorrow or Monday........... If this had not happened to me personally, I would not have believed it......would have suspected operator error or some other factor....... And I even kept tabs on the running temp of this last one.......not actual readings, but just finger temps......it was not running hot. Seems like a cruel joke.........maybe I should contact Seagate instead of Tiger......I am just so ticked right now I don't know which way to turn...... "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Any preludes (clicks of death, etc) prior to the sudden death that WD and Seagate have been known to make? I'd contact Seagate this time, But It's Your Nickel. Good Luck Mark. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
So what do you think about this Seagate drive for another try at getting my daily driver back online? Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM They list it for video surveillance systems, so it would seem to be aimed more at 24/7 operation than some others.... I still gotta contact Seagate about my 3 bricks under warranty, but they are probably gonna just wanna send me refurbs of the same drives to replace my less than 60 day old units.........not sure I would ever really trust the old model again.... "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
So what do you think about this Seagate drive for another try at getting my daily driver back online? The refurbs are a slightly better bet possibly as Seagate might have fixed whatever flaw is causing the drives to go and brick themselves. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
john deneer Send message Joined: 16 Nov 06 Posts: 331 Credit: 20,996,606 RAC: 0 |
So what do you think about this Seagate drive for another try at getting my daily driver back online? Mark, please maybe I'm wrong but please make sure that this type of drive has error correction. You might think that all drives have, but I know that some drives aimed at e.g. 'video recorders' with harddisks in them have special drives that don't do any (or at least a lot less) error checking. For video a couple of bits falling over isn't all that important. Leaving out the error checking makes the drives faster, which results in less hickups during recording and playback. I've got such a drive in my own harddisk recorder (replaced the 160GB in there with a 500 GB one) and discovered about error checking when I tried to find out what was so special about those drives. The DB-series of disks belongs to this class of 'video harddisks' (my original 160 GB disk in a Humax 'video recorder' was a 'Seagate DB35.2 Consumer Storage' disk). Video surveillance may be another area where error checking the bytes written may not have a high priority .... I'll look around a bit whether I can find more info on these drives. But maybe you should do so yourself as well before deciding to buy any. Regards, John. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
So what do you think about this Seagate drive for another try at getting my daily driver back online? Oh geez.....yet another wrinkle.......thanks for the heads-up. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
So what do you think about this Seagate drive for another try at getting my daily driver back online? Good point. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
jim little Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 112 Credit: 915,934 RAC: 0 |
Do you zero out all of drives before using them? That is write all zero's (or 1's) in every single bit. Then test the surface etc with whatever program you have in your system. Since I run Mac's my names won't help you. So far I have not had a disk, either portable or installed after purchase on desk machines that has failed, but my universe is small, less than ten total drives in six machines and four backup movable drives. Right now I'm on my MacBook Pro with dual core cpu. A very nice machine. Has both speeds of firewire which is nice to move files fast. I have a couple of backup drives that can take the high speed. Nice for timesaver and for file moving between other household machines. duke, who is enjoying a superb fall day on the east coast. |
john deneer Send message Joined: 16 Nov 06 Posts: 331 Credit: 20,996,606 RAC: 0 |
Oh geez.....yet another wrinkle.......thanks for the heads-up. I've had a very quick look at some datasheets of the sv35.2 series and the Barracuda 7200.10 series, especially as far as reliability/data integrity is concerned. For the 'regular' barracude it says: Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read 1 per 10E14 For the sv series (and my db video recorder series as well) it says: Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read 1 sector per 10E14 I'm not into this stuff, so I don't know whether this is actually different. But with my limited knowledge I of this technology I would expect a complete sector to get lost when an error occurs on the sv series, whereas on the regular disks only 1 bit would get mangled. It says in the description of the sv series seagate that sv disks are also suitable for data storage: The enhanced functionality of SV35 Series drives doesn’t end there. Video security drives are primarily used for streaming video, but they must also be capable of conventional data reads and writes, used in the course of managing video databases and related applications. SV35 Series drives support the ATA-7 command set, enabling their read/write profi les to be tuned to video- or data-specifi c, as appropriate. I'm not sure what all that means. The only thing that I can say is that if I were to buy such a drive I would not at all feel comfortable about using it in a computer for data storage. But then again, this may be totally unjustified. Sorry I can't be of any more help. Regards, John. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Oh geez.....yet another wrinkle.......thanks for the heads-up. I believe it means you can command the controller in the drive to either turn on or turn off error checking. At the controller level there is usually a setting of how many retries on read before an error is reported. Also on write if the drive performs an immediate read back check to verify data. This is intentionally hidden from the normal user. |
Paul D Harris Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 1122 Credit: 33,600,005 RAC: 0 |
I test my drives before I install them even brand new out of the box or a used one from any source. I have never had a hard drive failure I guess I am lucky in that regard. |
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