It's so difficult to say which way is the best. Dropping RAC will make hundreds of people quit and it's somewhat unfair for the users with old computers (~0 RAC). Not dropping the RAC does have it's own problems, right? Someone said there will be no dual credit system, either...

Maybe there still should be another methods to show the total work done like "WUs finished", "total CPU time" and "total number of floating point operations".

It is not possible to make a single credit system that satisfies all the users, I think.

Henri.

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To answer the question of equal credit why not the old system of 1999 1 credit per WU worked okay then.

Michael

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To answer the question of equal credit why not the old system of 1999 1 credit per WU worked okay then.

Michael

Because we are not talking about Seti credit but BOINC credit and one Seti VHAR unit (minutes) does not equal one CPND unit (thousand hours +).

It's so difficult to say which way is the best. Dropping RAC will make hundreds of people quit and it's somewhat unfair for the users with old computers (~0 RAC). Not dropping the RAC does have it's own problems, right? Someone said there will be no dual credit system, either...

Maybe there still should be another methods to show the total work done like "WUs finished", "total CPU time" and "total number of floating point operations".

It is not possible to make a single credit system that satisfies all the users, I think.

Henri.

If you read Eric's post carefully he states:

Q. Will the credit I get from my current machine go down as the middle of the road machine gets faster?
A. If you use a stock app, 6 months from now the machine you are using now will still get about the same number of credits per second that it will a month from now.

Nobody has said the RAC will decrease towards zero as the computer gets older.

To answer the question of equal credit why not the old system of 1999 1 credit per WU worked okay then.

Michael

Because we are not talking about Seti credit but BOINC credit and one Seti VHAR unit (minutes) does not equal one CPND unit (thousand hours +).

Okay posible not one but there are projects that give fixed credits on length of unit Milkyway@home claimed 115.3 granted 260 cosmology@home



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ok this is ridiculouos
929484570 4231945 25 Jul 2008 3:29:56 UTC 28 Jul 2008 17:41:23 UTC Over Success Done 9,060.45 29.19 29.19
929484571 4449800 25 Jul 2008 3:29:54 UTC 29 Jul 2008 12:02:47 UTC Over Success Done 5,333.69 49.29 29.19

What the heck happened here?

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So any project using Boinc is going to have their credit levels forced down by David Anderson?!?!

That seems really uncool to me. Other projects should be able to grant whatever credit they want to grant.

Hmm, how does David Anderson have anything to do with something Eric Korpela added to the BOINC-code as revision 15661 at 22. July 2008?

Also, as mentioned in the checkin-notes accompanying this:
Implementation of automatic credit leveling for cpu based projects that wish to use it.
The script calculate_credit_multiplier (expected to be run daily as a config.xml task).....


It's up to the various BOINC-projects if they wants to use this extra functionality or not. No BOINC-projects is forced to use it.

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ok this is ridiculouos
929484570 4231945 25 Jul 2008 3:29:56 UTC 28 Jul 2008 17:41:23 UTC Over Success Done 9,060.45 29.19 29.19
929484571 4449800 25 Jul 2008 3:29:54 UTC 29 Jul 2008 12:02:47 UTC Over Success Done 5,333.69 49.29 29.19

What the heck happened here?

The first machine is running BOINC 4.45, which is a known "underclaimer" We all still run into these installations every now and again...

If I understand correctly, AstroPulse is using the same observations to search for cosmic explosions rather than ET. AP is looking for broadband pulses rather than narrow band patterns.

Please read the Astropulse FAQ, and possibly also "science details".

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

ok this is ridiculouos
929484570 4231945 25 Jul 2008 3:29:56 UTC 28 Jul 2008 17:41:23 UTC Over Success Done 9,060.45 29.19 29.19
929484571 4449800 25 Jul 2008 3:29:54 UTC 29 Jul 2008 12:02:47 UTC Over Success Done 5,333.69 49.29 29.19

What the heck happened here?

The first machine is running BOINC 4.45, which is a known "underclaimer" We all still run into these installations every now and again...

Whew thanks!!! Was about to pack up my toys and go home...lol!!!

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If you read Eric's post carefully he states:

Q. Will the credit I get from my current machine go down as the middle of the road machine gets faster?
A. If you use a stock app, 6 months from now the machine you are using now will still get about the same number of credits per second that it will a month from now.

Nobody has said the RAC will decrease towards zero as the computer gets older.

I do not understand. Six months from now? How about six years from now?

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If you read Eric's post carefully he states:

Q. Will the credit I get from my current machine go down as the middle of the road machine gets faster?
A. If you use a stock app, 6 months from now the machine you are using now will still get about the same number of credits per second that it will a month from now.

Nobody has said the RAC will decrease towards zero as the computer gets older.

I do not understand. Six months from now? How about six years from now?

Why would you be running the same computer in 6 years time? I have detached my 3 year old PentM multimedia computer because even though it only uses half the power of my quad it only produces one tenth of the output. Just not economical enough with the rising cost of energy.

I can't stand to lurk on this thread any more.........
My $.02 from an Average Joe cruncher.
I have been running Seti on my computers for 9 years.
Since it looks like we won't hear from E.T. in my lifetime,
I need something to show me what value I am getting from this project
& also what value I have to the project.
RAC & total credit are the only way I have of seeing what I have accomplished.

My RAC is about 15,000.00
Change to..........1,500.00 or 150.00 or 15.00
You can tell me all day long that 15.00 is the same as 15,000.00
All it tells me is that my contribution doesn't mean as much anymore.

And please, don't try & blow smoke & use that worn out excuse that
credit really doesn't mean anything......that it's all about the science.
If that were true, why do you suppose we have such competition among the
participants of this project.
Bragging rights must have some meaning to the people who have spent literally thousands of dollars to build a crunching farm.
It certainly gives everyone lots to talk about.
I personally have learned much about overclocking & the use of an optimized application & many other computer related stuff from reading the the postings of all the many experts on this board.
Haven't heard much about the science lately.

I'm done now..........ducking for cover

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OK, two admins out of how many BOINC projects? They can always choose to write their own program outside of BOINC if they think its unfair, though it boggles my mind that they would have a problem with it. Why should they care? Shouldn't they focus on their science instead?

i'm glad you pointed this out. now it is clear to me. now i understand why all the fuss over credits. seeing one has to actually look at the results to search for et in the first place, and that is not being done, then one can fuss over how much credits projects should be giving out. crystal clear now... :)

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I can't stand to lurk on this thread any more.........
My $.02 from an Average Joe cruncher.
I have been running Seti on my computers for 9 years.
Since it looks like we won't hear from E.T. in my lifetime,
I need something to show me what value I am getting from this project
& also what value I have to the project.
RAC & total credit are the only way I have of seeing what I have accomplished.

My RAC is about 15,000.00
Change to..........1,500.00 or 150.00 or 15.00
You can tell me all day long that 15.00 is the same as 15,000.00
All it tells me is that my contribution doesn't mean as much anymore.

And please, don't try & blow smoke & use that worn out excuse that
credit really doesn't mean anything......that it's all about the science.
If that were true, why do you suppose we have such competition among the
participants of this project.
Bragging rights must have some meaning to the people who have spent literally thousands of dollars to build a crunching farm.
It certainly gives everyone lots to talk about.
I personally have learned much about overclocking & the use of an optimized application & many other computer related stuff from reading the the postings of all the many experts on this board.
Haven't heard much about the science lately.

I'm done now..........ducking for cover




No need ducking for cover, seems you summed it up rather well. If there was some science going on maybe the focus would be on finding something and the credits wouldn't mean so much.

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Why would you be running the same computer in 6 years time?

I probably will buy a new computer before the current one reaches the sixth year, but this isn't the case here.

There are many reasons to use old computers. For example, my computer runs Vista very well. Why should I buy a new computer if the current one is able to run XP, Vista and very probably even the Windows 7? "To keep the RAC constant" is not a very good reason to buy a new computer.

Computer's lifetime is increasing. People still use Windows XP and it will run very well in the computer of 1998 (~400 MHz Pentium II). A computer of 1998 is able to crunch (yes, I know; SETI@home may run too slowly), but still it can crunch something. So, why to abandon a working computer after a couple of years?

You can tell me all day long that 15.00 is the same as 15,000.00
All it tells me is that my contribution doesn't mean as much anymore.

I'm done now..........

This is just what I predicted. People will quit. Not good. :(

Henri.

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OK, two admins out of how many BOINC projects? They can always choose to write their own program outside of BOINC if they think its unfair, though it boggles my mind that they would have a problem with it. Why should they care? Shouldn't they focus on their science instead?

i'm glad you pointed this out. now it is clear to me. now i understand why all the fuss over credits. seeing one has to actually look at the results to search for et in the first place, and that is not being done, then one can fuss over how much credits projects should be giving out. crystal clear now... :)

You'll see what you choose to see. Being that we all knew the search for SETI wouldn't be an overnight success, I guess we have nothing better to do with ourselves than fuss over credits. Great outlook! :)

No need ducking for cover, seems you summed it up rather well. If there was some science going on maybe the focus would be on finding something and the credits wouldn't mean so much.

What "science" would you like to be "going on"? Either we find ET or we don't. Does that mean we have to make our own entertainment by focusing on credits just to amuse ourselves? Is it somehow easier to blame our obsession with credits on the projects instead of remaining focused ourselves?

The argument that making credits is the only fun to be had because of the "lack of science" seems childish to me. Either you knew when you signed up that this was going to be a long-term project or you allowed yourself to be sidetracked and now you're upset because you feel the fun is being taken away.

All I am saying is that there used to be updates on promising signals seti classicand what we get now is not much.I don't recall to many complaints about credit even though there was only one granted credit per work unit. I know for one, I cared less about the credits as finding a signal back then was far more important to me.

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To answer the question of equal credit why not the old system of 1999 1 credit per WU worked okay then.

Michael

In 1999 all work units took about the same amount of time.

We didn't have astropulse that takes dramatically longer to do.

There were no other projects.

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