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Message 756407 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 14:29:12 UTC

In the UK we have fuel tax and VAT (@ 17.5%) loaded on the price of fuel before we put it in our tanks. This maans our greedy Treasury take about 68% of the money we pay for our fuel, and they have done very very well from the rising price of road fuel and the Tax gives the UK the most expensive fuel in Europe.

This raises the question - how expensive is your fuel just now?

I am currently paying - Ã‚Â£1.209 per litre for derv (that is diesel) and Ã‚Â£1.159 per litre for petrol.

This means a UK gallon costs - Ã‚Â£5.50 for derv and Ã‚Â£5.27 for petrol.

Converting this to US gallons and correcting for an exchange rate of ~ \$1.96 per Ã‚Â£1.

The US gallon would cost us - \$8.98 for derv and \$8.61 for petrol.

The rough Ã‚Â£1 to Euro exchange is Ã‚Â£1.00 buys EURO1.26.

So, our derv is EURO1.52 per litre and petrol is EURO1.46 per litre.

How much are you paying?
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Message 756412 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 14:48:29 UTC

IÃ‚Â´ve just filled up my car amybe an hour ago.

One litre petrol costs today Ã¢â€šÂ¬1.50 wich is nearly the same.
The litre diesel cost Ã¢â€šÂ¬1.48.

What i find interesting is that derv (diesel) is more expensive in England than petrol.
I think the price of both will be equal in germany soon.
Half a year ago it was a gap from 5 cent now its only 2 cent.

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Message 756416 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 15:02:36 UTC

The price of Regular Unleaded, (87 Octane), in/around Danville, CA is \$4.00/U.S. Gal. It is more expensive in San Francisco. From the general data I found this morning; I also have that the average price in the state of CA is \$3.96/U.S. Gal.

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Message 756420 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 15:23:02 UTC - in response to Message 756412.

IÃ‚Â´ve just filled up my car amybe an hour ago.

One litre petrol costs today Ã¢â€šÂ¬1.50 wich is nearly the same.
The litre diesel cost Ã¢â€šÂ¬1.48.

What i find interesting is that derv (diesel) is more expensive in England than petrol.
I think the price of both will be equal in germany soon.
Half a year ago it was a gap from 5 cent now its only 2 cent.

In the U.S., Diesel is typically \$0.20 more per gallon than gasoline, which is flirting with \$4.00/gal (unleaded regular).
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Message 756423 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 15:39:15 UTC

I just filled up two days ago and I used Regular Unleaded 87 octane gasoline @ \$3.99/gal. I hear its already up to \$4.25 in the city (Chicago).
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Message 756427 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 15:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 756423.

I just filled up two days ago and I used Regular Unleaded 87 octane gasoline @ \$3.99/gal. I hear its already up to \$4.25 in the city (Chicago).

I have relatives in Alsip and a friend in Glen Carbon. I was born in Elk Grove Village. (Sorry, off topic...)
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Message 756431 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 15:48:37 UTC - in response to Message 756427.

I just filled up two days ago and I used Regular Unleaded 87 octane gasoline @ \$3.99/gal. I hear its already up to \$4.25 in the city (Chicago).

I have relatives in Alsip and a friend in Glen Carbon. I was born in Elk Grove Village. (Sorry, off topic...)

[Off topic] Elk Grove Village is probably the closest to where I live (far north suburb of Chicago), but still about 40-50 minutes away.
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Message 756442 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 16:14:05 UTC

It is interesting to see the price of fuel quoted by Mike (assuming his example is typical) makes German fuel as expensive as the UK.

The US is paying less than half our price, but you do use poorer petrol than Europe You quote the price of regular (87 octane) which is not available in the UK. Our lowest grade of petrol is 92 (our regular), and the higher quality blends are 97 octane.

Back in the 1970s I used to run my car on 102 octane.

Your regular (87 octane) is the same as the pool petrol used in WW2
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Message 756446 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 16:22:46 UTC

Hunt Valley, Maryland, USA

Regular Gasoline(87 Octane) - ~\$3.69 / US Gallon
Diesel (What I use) - ~\$4.59 / US Gallon

Diesel is significantly more than Unleaded Regular Gasoline, but my car (VW Jetta Diesel) goes 45-53 miles on a gallon, where the gas powered Jetta goes 21-29 miles on the same gallon. Thus the increased price is still more economical in the long run... (75-100% more mileage for 25% higher cost)

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Message 756447 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 16:27:55 UTC - in response to Message 756407.

In the UK we have fuel tax and VAT (@ 17.5%) loaded on the price of fuel before we put it in our tanks. This maans our greedy Treasury take about 68% of the money we pay for our fuel, and they have done very very well from the rising price of road fuel and the Tax gives the UK the most expensive fuel in Europe.

This raises the question - how expensive is your fuel just now?

I am currently paying - Ã‚Â£1.209 per litre for derv (that is diesel) and Ã‚Â£1.159 per litre for petrol.

This means a UK gallon costs - Ã‚Â£5.50 for derv and Ã‚Â£5.27 for petrol.

Converting this to US gallons and correcting for an exchange rate of ~ \$1.96 per Ã‚Â£1.

The US gallon would cost us - \$8.98 for derv and \$8.61 for petrol.

The rough Ã‚Â£1 to Euro exchange is Ã‚Â£1.00 buys EURO1.26.

So, our derv is EURO1.52 per litre and petrol is EURO1.46 per litre.

How much are you paying?

It's Ã‚Â£1.289 per litre for derv around here which makes it Ã‚Â£5.85 per (UK) gallon :( (That's over \$11!)

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Message 756456 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 17:04:34 UTC - in response to Message 756446.

Hunt Valley, Maryland, USA

Regular Gasoline(87 Octane) - ~\$3.69 / US Gallon
Diesel (What I use) - ~\$4.59 / US Gallon

The figures you quote certainly show the sums in your favour on a cents per mile basis.

Diesel is significantly more than Unleaded Regular Gasoline, but my car (VW Jetta Diesel) goes 45-53 miles on a gallon, where the gas powered Jetta goes 21-29 miles on the same gallon. Thus the increased price is still more economical in the long run... (75-100% more mileage for 25% higher cost)

Sir W

The back-to-back trials done over here by motoring jurnos shows diesel power is cheaper, less polluting and gives better milage per gallon than the petrol-electric hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic.
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Message 756566 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 22:54:21 UTC

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Message 756572 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 23:04:12 UTC - in response to Message 756564.

DERV = Diesel Engined Road Vehicle

My BMW Z3 doesn't like anything under 95 octane. I have to use the Shell Vpower stuff at 99 octane. Expensive yes, but that is what an engine of that nature requires.

The whole point of all this is that I am prepared to spend only a certain amount of money per week to run a car. If the price of petrol goes up, I drive fewer miles.

THEREFORE those grasping petrol companies won't make any extra money out of me!

Grasping petrol firms? What about the Chancellor, he has the biggest take in the price we pay.

One other point I forgot to mention in fuel consumption is there is now no loss in performance with Derv versus petrol. Although this statement is about road vehicles, the BMW 535 3.0 litre diesel has a slightly higher performance than the 3.0 litre 535 petrol.

For the diesel that is 0-62.5mph = 6.5 secs, top speed 155 mph limited

Euromix fuel consumption - petrol 29.8mpg (UK gallon); the diesel version 39.8mpg. Also the emissions are cleaner, and there is no particulates due to the particle trap.

As an aside - the Sebring 12 hour and Le mans 24 hour races have been won outright (1st and 2nd) by diesel power for the last 2 years, and for normal Saloon racing they are starting to enter diesel teams.
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Message 756598 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 23:45:32 UTC

In Reno Nevada, We are paying cheapest for 87 octane \$3.79/gallon, as of this morning when I got home from work, this is from the gas station down the road from me. Mid grade, which I think is 92 octane, is roughly \$.10 cents more than regular unleaded fuel. Premium is yet another \$.10 cents higher. I've seen around town diesel fuel at \$4.25/gallon.
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Message 756607 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 23:55:03 UTC

Here in the midwest (Kansas)

87 octane is \$3.79
92 octane is \$3.89
97 octane is \$3.99

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Message 756644 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 1:18:02 UTC

We went to \$3.89/gallon in Green Bay, WI last night. I still saw a station at \$3.79 this afternoon, but didn't need gas. I pity the long haul truckers paying \$4.60/gallon for diesel, and having 200 gallon tanks. Really cuts into the profits...

And a little off topic...heaters are \$5.00 a pack...dang, I gotta quit one of these days...
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Message 756650 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 1:40:48 UTC - in response to Message 756446.

Diesel is significantly more than Unleaded Regular Gasoline

Speaking of diesel, I can only imagine what some people are paying to heat their homes... ;)
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Message 756700 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 4:30:30 UTC

Petrol (Unleaded 95) in NZ is NZ\$1.97 about \$1.60 American I believe. Sounds expensive over in other countries....
Diesel is NZ\$1.40 (US\$1.15)...

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Message 756712 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 6:21:56 UTC

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Message 756728 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 7:03:46 UTC - in response to Message 756607.

Here in the midwest (Kansas)

87 octane is \$3.79
92 octane is \$3.89
97 octane is \$3.99

I wish we had those higher octanes...

87 Regular, \$3.99

89 Mid grade, (I didn't look, too expensive.)

91 Super Unleaded, (I didn't look, WAY too expensive.)

This is here in California.

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