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Message 753122 - Posted: 14 May 2008, 16:06:49 UTC - in response to Message 753111.  


Yep...same IP.

So who the heck controls that IP addy??

64.209.102.222


Whois shows:

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US

So does anybody have some leverage with GC (get their bandwidth from them) that can push the issue?
Or does GC not provide service directly to end users?
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Message 753123 - Posted: 14 May 2008, 16:09:34 UTC
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anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]
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Message 753140 - Posted: 14 May 2008, 16:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 753123.  

anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.
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Message 753147 - Posted: 14 May 2008, 16:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 753140.  

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.
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Aah I see. And here I thought the web routing bit was 'sposed to adapt in case of breakages like nuclear attack or something ... I guess they forgot to mention that requires people to push the right buttons.


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Message 753151 - Posted: 14 May 2008, 17:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 753140.  
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anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.
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I don't get it, all the weeks, people complain that Lunatics is out 'the air' .
Traced it too, no problems??? (Even now the KPN reprted big problems yesterday and isn't still fixed completely.)

haven't had a single problem from Holland, that is, but since it's even further, kind off weird, logical thinking doesn't help on that one.


Other people from ' the rest off the world, haven't reported problems. I noticed
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Message 753536 - Posted: 15 May 2008, 1:51:14 UTC
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Traceroute has started ...

traceroute to lunatics.kwsn.net (206.132.254.42), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.254.254 (192.168.254.254) 33.696 ms 8.690 ms 1.238 ms
2 74-47-96-1.dr02.kgmn.az.frontiernet.net (74.47.96.1) 164.500 ms 81.449 ms 13.196 ms
3 * * *
4 so-0-0-0--0.cr02.plal.ca.frontiernet.net (74.40.4.9) 69.199 ms 44.370 ms 44.368 ms
5 so-7-0-0--0.br01.plal.ca.frontiernet.net (74.40.3.170) 53.501 ms 40.575 ms 41.477 ms
6 208.49.158.141 (208.49.158.141) 43.264 ms 47.595 ms 45.745 ms
7 64.209.99.54 (64.209.99.54) 83.476 ms 83.272 ms 81.606 ms GC IP
8 xconn.core2-edge1.atl.oneringnetworks.net (66.187.176.5) 82.102 ms 83.833 ms 83.930 ms
9 xconn.dktc-56m.atl.oneringnetworks.net (66.187.178.58) 84.944 ms 89.218 ms 84.565 ms
10 beat42.gzz.cyb.cream.spectacularrebeats.net (206.132.254.42) 83.950 ms 82.952 ms 84.544 ms


I do go through Global Crossing as well, but on a different IP address than a lot of people.

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.gblx.net:4321

NetRange: 64.208.0.0 - 64.209.127.255
CIDR: 64.208.0.0/16, 64.209.0.0/17
NetName: GBLX-11A
NetHandle: NET-64-208-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NAME.ROC.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.PHX.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.SNV.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.JFK1.GBLX.NET
Comment: THESE ADDRESSES ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-03-15
Updated: 2007-08-29


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Message 753660 - Posted: 15 May 2008, 8:43:12 UTC - in response to Message 753151.  

I don't get it, all the weeks, people complain that Lunatics is out 'the air' .
Traced it too, no problems??? (Even now the KPN reprted big problems yesterday and isn't still fixed completely.)

Until one week ago I didn't have any problems reaching it either... Then my ISP changed (old ISP bought by another company last year, but now they want customers to use the ISP they already had) and I get stopped at same IP:
6 47 ms 48 ms 41 ms te1-3.ar3.CPH1.gblx.net [64.215.27.125]
7 145 ms 149 ms 141 ms 64.209.102.222
8 * * * Request timed out.
Windows: "Where do you want to go today?"
Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?"
...
FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?"
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Message 753800 - Posted: 15 May 2008, 23:39:25 UTC
Last modified: 15 May 2008, 23:45:19 UTC

This is the one I ran w/ my ISP 2 days ago.

C:\\Documents and Settings\\XXXXX>tracert http://lunatics.kwsn.net

Tracing route to http://lunatics.kwsn.net [206.132.254.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms XXXXX (edited)
2 8 ms 2 ms 2 ms XXXXX (edited)
3 15 ms 9 ms 9 ms nv-XXXXX.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [XXXXX] (edited)
4 55 ms 201 ms 307 ms nv-206-107-220-53.dyn.embarqhsd.net [206.107.220
.53]
5 25 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-gw15-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.148.221]

6 25 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-gw15-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.0.125]
7 25 ms 19 ms 22 ms sl-st25-la-3-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.233]

8 26 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-st26-la-7-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.11]
9 22 ms 19 ms 20 ms 207.43.189.194
10 25 ms 20 ms 19 ms 208.84.48.234
11 * * * Request timed out.

Whois: 208.84.48.234
Record Type: IP Address

OrgName: WBS Connect, LLC
OrgID: WCL-65
Address: 700 North Colorado Blvd
Address: Suite 307
City: Denver
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80206
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.wbsconnect.com:4321

NetRange: 208.84.48.0 - 208.84.55.255
CIDR: 208.84.48.0/21
OriginAS: AS19080
NetName: NET-WBS-2
NetHandle: NET-208-84-48-0-1
Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: RDNS1.WBSCONNECT.COM
NameServer: RDNS2.WBSCONNECT.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2007-11-01
Updated: 2007-11-01

RTechHandle: ADMIN620-ARIN
RTechName: WBS Arin Admin
RTechPhone: +1-866-927-2669
RTechEmail: hostmaster@wbsconnect.com
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Message 753948 - Posted: 16 May 2008, 8:46:12 UTC
Last modified: 16 May 2008, 8:55:56 UTC

Puhlees....

Let's call a duck a duck.

1.) Both John and I have worked one on one with a Tier 1 (ATT) and/or a Tier 2 (RR) bandwidth provider. Both of them have said that they have no peering disputes currently on their backbone peering connections. I have no reason to assume they are blowing smoke up my wazoo at this point.

2.) GC has said that they don't have a specific reason why any of their Tier 3 customers should be cut off at the moment for any of their border gateways.

3.) The DNS and RDNS records for the Coop/KWSN are messed up (they don't agree). This alone in this day and age is sufficient reason to cause a connection to get dropped at network borders under certain circumstances depending on the preferred route reported to/by BGP.

4.) Nothing is going to happen to correct the problem until the hostee makes a complaint to their hosting service or bandwidth provider and gets a service ticket going to fix the underlying issue.

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Message 755992 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 11:04:27 UTC

Hi,
since 18 of april the lunatics site is dead for me.. ;-(
and the chance it come back is going to zero.
So i must search a new way to comminicate with the developer team.
It's a little bit pitty, but it looks there is no other way.

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Message 755993 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 11:14:32 UTC - in response to Message 755992.  

Hi,
since 18 of april the lunatics site is dead for me.. ;-(
and the chance it come back is going to zero.
So i must search a new way to comminicate with the developer team.
It's a little bit pitty, but it looks there is no other way.

heinz


Hi Heinz,
If it isn't repaired by the time I get back on top of my other work, then we'll make some alternative arrangements. I rely on much of the historic development information from the Lunatic's site and I feel I might need to figure a way to make some library of some of that awesome stuff in case the site goes down for good or another link breaks. I wonder how big the whole site would be ?

Glad your V8 is running well, and have fun with the big step up from a Northwood ;D

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Message 756005 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 12:25:55 UTC - in response to Message 753151.  

I don't get it, all the weeks, people complain that Lunatics is out 'the air' .
Traced it too, no problems??? (Even now the KPN reprted big problems yesterday and isn't still fixed completely.)

haven't had a single problem from Holland, that is, but since it's even further, kind off weird, logical thinking doesn't help on that one.


Other people from ' the rest off the world, haven't reported problems. I noticed
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Sorry to dissapoint you.

1 14 ms 9 ms <10 ms 10.21.24.1
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.63.3.129
3 1 ms 1 ms <10 ms 10.63.10.12
4 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms router-01.rocva.nl [145.100.64.2]
5 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms v1-20-1.2072.xsr01.amsterdam2a.surf.net [145.145.18.237]
6 1 ms 2 ms 4 ms ft-500.xsr03.amsterdam1a.surf.net [145.145.80.34]
7 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 64.209.105.157
8 85 ms 84 ms 86 ms 64.209.102.222
9 * * * Time-out bij opdracht.


And whois 64.209.102.222???

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US


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Message 756136 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 21:31:26 UTC

Ok since last I looked I can get to the lunatics website, I've placed a link at the following address below:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vwbobier/

If You can get there from verizon It's better than nothing.
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Message 756146 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 21:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 756136.  

Ok since last I looked I can get to the lunatics website, I've placed a link at the following address below:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vwbobier/

If You can get there from verizon It's better than nothing.


Thanks,
but it did not work for me in France
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Message 756148 - Posted: 20 May 2008, 21:42:15 UTC - in response to Message 756146.  

Ok since last I looked I can get to the lunatics website, I've placed a link at the following address below:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vwbobier/

If You can get there from verizon It's better than nothing.


Thanks,
but it did not work for me in France
Heinz

Well I tried:(, I'll leave the link up for those that It works for in any case.
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Message 756342 - Posted: 21 May 2008, 9:11:04 UTC - in response to Message 756136.  
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Ok since last I looked I can get to the lunatics website, I've placed a link at the following address below:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vwbobier/

If You can get there from verizon It's better than nothing.



That link worked for me as well


Newsflash
And I just discovered I can get there direct now as well (from 2 different computers and a different ISP than the one I tried the link on just to make
sure)

Edit: I get lunatics.kwsn.net as per the link above but cannot hit lunatics.at from the links on the optimised apps thread

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Message 756676 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 2:30:00 UTC

If anyone can find something like a web reflector that's written in html or php or mac software, I will host it on my server to fix this issue.
I'm a Prefectionist ;)
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Message 756747 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 8:46:31 UTC - in response to Message 756148.  

Ok since last I looked I can get to the lunatics website, I've placed a link at the following address below:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vwbobier/

If You can get there from verizon It's better than nothing.


Thanks,
but it did not work for me in France
Heinz

Well I tried:(, I'll leave the link up for those that It works for in any case.


This is a routing problem on the internet.
That wil never be solved by creating a link on another website.

After following this link the users own DNS server resolvesthe IP adress and a connoctien to this site is created from his machine.
There wil be no difference between using a link somewhere on the internet or typing it in yourself.

Whitout gettining in to the technical details to much routers are a bit like sings with directions.
Traffic passing follows the direction and takes a path to te next router.
Some router at this moment has a wrong sing directing traffic the wrong way.
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Message 756775 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 9:57:04 UTC

I would switch my DNS service to another such as DYNdns.com they work excellent for me.
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Message 759276 - Posted: 27 May 2008, 9:13:01 UTC - in response to Message 753948.  

Nothing is going to happen to correct the problem until the hostee makes a complaint to their hosting service or bandwidth provider and gets a service ticket going to fix the underlying issue.

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I thought they hadf made a complaint.
Even then still nothing happens.
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