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Message 740215 - Posted: 17 Apr 2008, 1:23:58 UTC

In OS-X I have BOINC Manager as an application and that is all ... the application is a packed item that does not open

There is not a BOINC_cmd in the directory to execute ...
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Message 740584 - Posted: 17 Apr 2008, 20:13:49 UTC - in response to Message 740215.  
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In OS-X I have BOINC Manager as an application and that is all ... the application is a packed item that does not open

There is not a BOINC_cmd in the directory to execute ...

Got this reply:

Charlie Fenton wrote:
It is included in the "UNIX Command-Line version" distribution but not the "Standard GUI" distribution; both are distributions are available. If you want both the Manager and boinc_cmd, download both of these distributions from the download-all page.


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Message 740672 - Posted: 17 Apr 2008, 23:06:53 UTC



"I am for encouraging the progress of science in all its branches,

and not for raising a hue and cry against the sacred name of philosophy;

for awing the human mind by stories of raw-head and bloody bones to a distrust of its own vision,

and to repose implicitly on that of others;


to go backwards instead of forwards to look for improvement;

to believe that government, religion, morality and every other science were in the highest perfection in the ages of the darkest ignorance,

and that nothing can ever be decided more perfect than what was established by our forefathers."

~ Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78 ~


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Message 740699 - Posted: 18 Apr 2008, 0:51:50 UTC - in response to Message 740584.  

It is included in the "UNIX Command-Line version" distribution but not the "Standard GUI" distribution; both are distributions are available. If you want both the Manager and boinc_cmd, download both of these distributions from the download-all page.

I can confirm that... And might I add, boinc_cmd works with Boinc Managers embedded core client... ;)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 740953 - Posted: 18 Apr 2008, 19:18:28 UTC


. . . an excerpted Commentary from Paul D. Buck (referral: Climate Control, etc ref.)


For example, cap the CS earned to a value, and pop-up a warning about not being able to get more credit after a certain point.


Which, by the way, brings me to the idea I see over in WCG where you can "earn" and display "badges", sort of like the "green star" for donating in SaH and the gold crown in PrimeGrid ...


This is another thing that WERE we to do cross-project coordination, could be something that the participants could earn and show across the sites ... Not sure how to do it, but, the point is again, to eliminate this fictional isolation of the projects ...


Though I noticed the deafening silence about the new "improved" wiki from the projects ...


I really wish I could get a dozen of you project managers in a room where I could beat on you with my cane ...


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Message 741003 - Posted: 18 Apr 2008, 21:13:26 UTC

Of course on a bad day they could our run me ... run .. out crawl me ... :)
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Message 741393 - Posted: 19 Apr 2008, 13:48:50 UTC




Unofficial BOINC Wiki : About


The BOINC Wiki is all about documenting, as well as possible, those things that are useful to know about the BOINC System,

its software, and how to best achieve the goals of the BOINC Powered Projects and the Participants

that selflessly donate thier time and resources to support scientific research.


This site is carried on at this new domain in memory of Paul D. Buck who has worked so hard for the BOINC Community as a whole,

but has had to stop BOINC activites due to unknown reasons. The new site is jointly managed by Christopher Malton and Rytis Slatkevičius




. . . neXt: there's work to be done eh





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Message 742117 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 21:25:20 UTC
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. . . from [boinc_dev] user documentation

On Apr 19, 2008, at 9:45 PM, maureen vilar wrote:

> How is it that the Unofficial Boinc Wiki now appears to have two
> different
> main pages? There's the old one:
>
> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/index.php?title=Main_Page
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> and a new one:
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> http://v6.boinc-wiki.info/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
> The new page appears to have no links to any other UBW pages as we
> know/knew
> them. The only operational page about BOINC that I can get to from
> the new
> main page is the Beginner's Guide
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> http://v6.boinc-wiki.info/Beginner%27s_guide
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> which immediately gives me a direct link to download BOINC version
> 6.1.5 for
> Windows. One more click and the beginner starts to download this.
> What is
> going on? Has my spoof April 1 post come true? Or is this new main
> page
> somehow hidden to the public?

This was a demo page on how the current holders of the UBW thought the
entry page might be improved. Thus the version 6 tag.

This was proposed as the entry page to the new "improved" wiki which
Dr. Anderson set up ...

In that none of my passwords work on the UBW, and the PW recovery does
not seem to remember me, AND no one has agreed that the new "improved"
wiki is going to be the official BOINC Wiki for the project, or that
the "Help" link will point to this content ... ie: my eight questions,
it looks like that effort is as dead as the version 6 changes ...

Paul D. Buck


. . . from Maureen Vilar:

My apologies, I didn't realise it was just a demo page. But if it can be
reached by the public I still don't think that at the moment even a demo
page should contain a live link to the BOINC version 6 download. This is
just the sort of thing that a complete beginner would actually download.

Paul, why not just create a completely new user account on the UBW?

I don't think anyone has said the new Wiki will not become the official one
and I think it's very possible that the BOINC manager Help link will
eventually lead to it (or the page it currently sends one to will include a
link to the new Wiki).
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Message 742136 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 21:45:18 UTC



. . . Beginner's guide

Note:

This page is only a DRAFT!

This page is only a draft. It is being prepared for a new and improved version

of the Unofficial BOINC Wiki, but it is not yet ready for use. Please do not

rely on this page to be accurate






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Message 742154 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 22:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 742136.  



. . . Beginner's guide


There used to be a complete Install guide in the How-To section for both Windows and Mac ... Never owned a Linux machine (until today) and so, never did an install guide for that OS ...
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Message 742160 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 22:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 742117.  

I don't think anyone has said the new Wiki will not become the official one
and I think it's very possible that the BOINC manager Help link will
eventually lead to it (or the page it currently sends one to will include a
link to the new Wiki).


Yes, well, two years ago I nearly killed myself working on the UBW with the same lack of clarity as to support and its ultimate acceptance.

If I thought those were trivial questions about this new effort, I would not have asked them. And, as I said in my next post to the list, the projects need to speak up ...

Their universal silence I find to be a very eloquent statement.

I know most of the projects have at least one member that watches these lists ... and, if the projects are not interested in helping themselves, why should I help them? Again ...

Thank you very much, but no thank you, I already have the "ingratitude fits all tee-shirt" ...

As I have said in other threads, should the projects start to prove worthy of more of my support they will get it ... so far, it is more of the same, lip service and hints and promises ...
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Message 742204 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 0:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 742154.  

. . . Beginner's guide

There used to be a complete Install guide in the How-To section for both Windows and Mac ..

Note that is the v6 wiki (the one with the main page text, and with around three pages total). Your install guide is probably still there in the UBW.


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Message 742339 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 14:32:24 UTC
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Hello everyone!!!

I think that Paul's position is understandable given that he worked many hours over two long years for what seems to him to have been "for nothing".

Also understandable is Paul's negative tone, although it's unfortunate. Instead of reading his words as a refusal or an ultimatum (I won't do any more work unless...) he should rework his post as a proposal (I'll consider putting more work into this if...).

Meanwhile, perhaps we should view his post in that light.

I think the content of Paul's position is more important than it's tone. Paul doesn't say he refuses to help out Seti more; he doesn't say he is disappointed beyond repair. But having two years worth of work rejected, he'd like some actual owners' committment to any further work he does.

Though Paul's tone is unfortunate (he's been hurt, you see), his position is quite reasonable imho.


Hopefully good sense will prevail, rather than pride, on all sides. That will put some valuable progress into place. :]]


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Message 742340 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 14:38:48 UTC - in response to Message 742339.  



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But having two years worth of work rejected, he'd like some actual owners' committment to any further work he does.



> Beets - Best Check w/ Paul - iT's a whole lot MORE than two years . . .

(just thought YOU might like to know this) - and this is NOT a 'dis' . . .)


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Message 742341 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 14:42:23 UTC - in response to Message 742340.  
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<snip>

But having two years worth of work rejected, he'd like some actual owners' committment to any further work he does.



> Beets - Best Check w/ Paul - iT's a whole lot MORE than two years . . .

(just thought YOU might like to know this) - and this is NOT a 'dis' . . .)



Ahhh! Well, thank you Richard. :]]]


Paul, please excuse me for getting that fact wrong on this. I certainly didn't mean to understate the amount of time you've put into the project. :]]


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Message 742346 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 14:53:58 UTC - in response to Message 742339.  
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... I think that Paul's position is understandable given that he worked many hours over two long years for what seems to him to have been "for nothing".

Also understandable is Paul's negative tone, although it's unfortunate. ...

Those knowing Paul from his postings of long past and of more recently can understand the tone of his postings.

I don't see his efforts as having been 'for nothing', nor do I believe there was any outright 'refusal'. Please consider that Boinc cannot be seen to be co-opted in whatever way. Meanwhile, there have been renewed stirrings on the Boinc maillist about trac and wikies...

His UBW work is still referenced and is still applicable now even though it is in need of some love and attention by a number of volunteers and not just Paul.

I'm sure I'm not the only one referencing his (helpful) work.


NB: All just the views of an outsider!

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Message 742358 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 15:25:35 UTC
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. . . for All - A Suggestion:

To 'Understand' What Paul D. Buck is Clearly Stating -

please click on his name and Read HIS Posts - without anybody else's Input / Comment . . .

and then read the Threads for a Very Clear & Precise Understanding

of THAT which Paul is Stating . . . One might like to start with His More Recent Threads / Comments



> Thanks PovAddict, Beets and Martin for Your Recent Inputs . . .

EDIT: adding Thanks to the Inputs of John Neale, KM, Esme', Jeffrey, Thorin, Odysseus, Jason Gee & Brian Silvers . . .
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Message 742432 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 20:41:49 UTC - in response to Message 742339.  

I think that Paul's position is understandable given that he worked many hours over two long years for what seems to him to have been "for nothing".

NOt so much that the work is wasted, but, what it seems to me is that we are duplicating the mistakes we have already made in the past. Starting a documentation effort without establishing the parameters under which it will be governed is folly. Making a split documentation with two repositories compounds the documentation split we were supposed to be "healing".

What is hysterical is now we have the Trac Wiki, the new Wiki, the UBW and all the FAQs ... and still no commitment from ANYONE to merge the content and bless it as THE official content site ...

As the man said at the end of the movie "Madness! ..."

Also understandable is Paul's negative tone, although it's unfortunate. Instead of reading his words as a refusal or an ultimatum (I won't do any more work unless...) he should rework his post as a proposal (I'll consider putting more work into this if...).

Wasn't intended to be negative.

For the lurkers, Me Paul, Hi... being autistic means I tend to write and speak, um, bluntly. Try not to read too much emotion into the words ... read them as written when I get emotional I TEND TO SHOUT ... :)

Meanwhile, perhaps we should view his post in that light.

That would be friendly.

I think the content of Paul's position is more important than it's tone. Paul doesn't say he refuses to help out Seti more; he doesn't say he is disappointed beyond repair. But having two years worth of work rejected, he'd like some actual owners' committment to any further work he does.

Though Paul's tone is unfortunate (he's been hurt, you see), his position is quite reasonable imho.

Um, I actually do refuse to work or contribute to an unbounded commitment. Having been "fooled" once, shan't be fooled again. Dr. Korpela has asked for volunteer efforts as have others (Pappa, etc.), but there have been no boundaries or acceptance criteria placed on what is acceptable or not ... one would be a fool to dash off and work under those conditions.

As an example, to try to make is absolutely clear ... in that writing technical documentation is one thing I did enjoy (oddly enough), I would not put any effort into migrating and updating the UBW in the new UCB sponsored Wiki unless, and until I know what are the limits on what will be allowed. Who has final say on content, style, etc ...

In that no one is clarifying that ... and the other issues I raised, well, why would I bother? Why should anyone bother?

What I find depressing about this is that this is what I consider another, ahem, bone headed effort by UCB to look like the "are doing something" when they should be thinking before doing ... with no attempt at modesty, if anyone knows about documenting BOINC and the pitfalls, well, I am that guy ... yet, the questions I posed are treated (seemingly) as idle mutterings of a, hmm, better not go there ...

If I had to pick one fundamental point upon which all founders in BOINC is the single man "Hero problem" where there is ONE person that in their attempts to be the hero and save the day they instead become the problem. I have no qualm in admitting that I was just as prone to this as others. Which is again why I posed the question ... who is the ultimate authority. With one person, then that person's opinion rules, for good or ill, and history says it is usually ill ...

Hopefully good sense will prevail, rather than pride, on all sides. That will put some valuable progress into place.

Not sure if I possess good sense ... I started doing BOINC again ... :)

And the last sentence here makes no sense to me at all ... Isn't progress movement, so how can it be put into a stationary position ... or am I being too literal again? Sorry if I am ....
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Message 742436 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 20:53:14 UTC - in response to Message 742432.  
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NOt so much that the work is wasted, but, what it seems to me is that we are duplicating the mistakes we have already made in the past. Starting a documentation effort without establishing the parameters under which it will be governed is folly.

There are established parameters. And they're ridiculous:

David Anderson wrote:
All documentation for users (beginning and advanced)
should be linked directly from UserManual; no 2nd-level pages.
In practice this means avoiding lots of little pages.


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Message 742442 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 21:05:08 UTC - in response to Message 742436.  

There are established parameters. And they're ridiculous:

David Anderson wrote:
All documentation for users (beginning and advanced)
should be linked directly from UserManual; no 2nd-level pages.
In practice this means avoiding lots of little pages.

Thank you for proving my point ... :)

Where was this? Can you point to it with a link?

In the new WIki?

THe whole point of a Wiki is actually to make LOTS of little pages, if they prove useful they grow as people add material ...

Some of the "definitions" in the UBW started as one liners that grew into multi page monsters as people asked us for more examples and explanations ... Wiki at its best ...
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