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BrainSmashR wrote:As this illustration clearly shows, 60% of our budget is spent on various forms of welfare while only 20% of our budget is spent on the military...but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your propaganda. My statement remains: Imagine what could have done with this money if it were poured out into social welfare instead of raising the profits of the weapon producing industries which earn their billions by producing more costs for funerals, for medical treatments, for disability payments which then also have to be paid by Social Security! Supporting a few already big companies to make them richer by starting an absolutely unnecessary war instead of reducing the poverty of the many needy people and raising the overall wealth by that is morally, politically, and economically just wrong. Account frozen... |
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You may not realise it but you are a very sad, unhappy man. Whether you want it or not I shall pray for you and for your soul. I suspect you may have had a very unhappy childhood or some other bad physical or psychological event or events that have made you this way and counselling could well help. I mean this sincerely and not as some sort of insult. Isn't there ever a case anymore of someone just being an a**hole??? Why does everything have to stem from some terribly traumatic childhood experience??? Some people are just A**HOLES!!! Period. * BSR...I was not referring to you in particular on this one...I am just tired of people trying to lay their problems off on someone else. " I didn't mean it....but Mommy spanked me too much when I was little ". What a load of crap * Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained ![]() Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome |
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My statement remains: Imagine what could have done with this money if it were poured out into social welfare instead of raising the profits of the weapon producing industries which earn their billions by producing more costs for funerals, for medical treatments, for disability payments which then also have to be paid by Social Security! We already have a method for ending poverty in this country...they're called JOBS. In fact, they're SOOOO effective at ending poverty, we now have a problem with illegal immigrants from Mexico. Of the 7 million illegal immigrants in this country, 70% are Mexican ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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You may not realise it but you are a very sad, unhappy man. Whether you want it or not I shall pray for you and for your soul. I suspect you may have had a very unhappy childhood or some other bad physical or psychological event or events that have made you this way and counselling could well help. I mean this sincerely and not as some sort of insult. heh...while I would have preferred you use another adjective, I understand what you mean perfectly....I live in the Bible belt ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I live in the Bible belt And you're still alive and kicking... Imagine THAT! ;) ![]() |
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You may not realise it but you are a very sad, unhappy man. Whether you want it or not I shall pray for you and for your soul. I suspect you may have had a very unhappy childhood or some other bad physical or psychological event or events that have made you this way and counselling could well help. I mean this sincerely and not as some sort of insult. Sorry dude. Like I said....I wasn't referring directly to you...lol Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained ![]() Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome |
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Actually Santa Anna attacked the Alamo with more than 6000 troops in 1836. According to my math, that's considerably less than 200 years ago. As I stated before, you should pick up a history book. Err, correct me someone if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas actually a Mexican territory at the time? Whilst many citizens wished to join the USA, the outcome of that war was actually a US CONQUEST of Mexican territory and not a Mexican invasion of the USA. History has a knack of coming up with awkward facts when ultra-nationalists only pick bits they like. ![]() ![]() |
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Neither laughing in the face of zealots like you, nor placing the interests of my country above all others, by no stretch of the imagination, means I am unaware of the plights faced by others. A zealot? Moi? Compared with you? Good grief! I think people should be entitled to believe what they believe and not have belief hammered into them, be it religion, politics, economics or any other belief system. People have a right to defend themselves, not to attack others. ![]() ![]() |
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Actually Santa Anna attacked the Alamo with more than 6000 troops in 1836. According to my math, that's considerably less than 200 years ago. As I stated before, you should pick up a history book. "Technically" speaking, you are correct. The Alamo fell about one month prior to Texas declaring it's Independence from Mexico. However, utilizing that type of logic, the United States didn't declare it's independence until 1776. Now you subtract the 250 years used in the initial example, and you get 1758. "Technically" the United States didn't exist (just like the state of Texas didn't exist) and therefore could not have been occupied by foreign invaders at that time either. That's not an "awkward" history fact, that's data manipulation. For future purposes, I believe in manifest destiny...Texas was always Texas. A zealot? Moi? Compared with you? Good grief! So when you're going to "pray for my soul"...that's "defending yourself" and not trying to "hammer your beliefs" into me. Another example of the logic that makes me proud of separation of church and state. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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So when you're going to "pray for my soul"...that's "defending yourself" and not trying to "hammer your beliefs" into me. What I believe is my business. What you believe is yours. If I think you are in need of prayer that is because of my concern both for you and for those who come into contact with you. You seem to be able to ascribe beliefs to me without knowing anything about me. For once we actually agree on something. Church and state SHOULD be separate. ![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 25 May 99 Posts: 944 Credit: 52,956,491 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Err, correct me someone if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas actually a Mexican territory at the time? Whilst many citizens wished to join the USA, the outcome of that war was actually a US CONQUEST of Mexican territory and not a Mexican invasion of the USA. History has a knack of coming up with awkward facts when ultra-nationalists only pick bits they like. Interesting for once. Not my manipulation either but yours, as you have now admitted. I know you only ever acknowledge one side of history but I suppose the people in the Alamo and the people declaring Texan independence were freedom fighters in their own eyes. Did that make them insurrectionists and terrorists in the eyes of Mexico? Don't forget that one man's "freedom fighter" is another man's "terrorist". In this case I'm for freedom. Self-determination is an important right. I seem to recall George III disagreeing with that and losing rather forcibly. If he had had a more enlightened - even liberal - attitude, history might have been very different and better for the world as a whole. I wonder how I should feel if I were a citizen of Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Cuba, Somalia, Palestine, etc., etc. ![]() ![]() |
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Err, correct me someone if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas actually a Mexican territory at the time? Whilst many citizens wished to join the USA, the outcome of that war was actually a US CONQUEST of Mexican territory and not a Mexican invasion of the USA. History has a knack of coming up with awkward facts when ultra-nationalists only pick bits they like. Well spoken! Account frozen... |
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So when you're going to "pray for my soul"...that's "defending yourself" and not trying to "hammer your beliefs" into me. I didn't question your beliefs, we already know they are based on faith and not evidence. What I did was point out that your actions, as with most christians, do not reflect the words you speak/type. You claim to not be "hammering your beliefs", yet here again, I am in need of prayer.
I know that you are a christian and I know what that entails. You and your beliefs are right, every non-christian is a sinner and in need of saving...hence your "concern" for me and those who come into contact with me. Whether or not you support separation of church and state is irrelevant...it's the law, doesn't matter how either one of us feels. All I did was indicate how your "christian logic" makes me happy about that one. Interesting for once. Not my manipulation either but yours, as you have now admitted. I know you only ever acknowledge one side of history but I suppose the people in the Alamo and the people declaring Texan independence were freedom fighters in their own eyes. Did that make them insurrectionists and terrorists in the eyes of Mexico? Don't forget that one man's "freedom fighter" is another man's "terrorist". Well that really depends on if you understand the difference between suicide bombing the corner cafe and men defending a military installation. You see, we weren't killing random civilians at the Alamo, we were defending a military outpost.
That's funny, because I look at all America has done for the world and can't possibly imagine things being better had we not been forced to declare our independence... "Better" is a very subjective term and I suspect our ideas of what "better" would be are quite different.
That would depend on if you were the oppressor or the oppressed. Saddam didn't gas everyone, just the opposition You can try to deny it all day long, but the bottom line is we're better than they are... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Saddam didn't gas everyone, just the opposition Republicans don't impoverish everyone, just the opposition... Personally, I'd rather be gassed... But either way, it's still murder... ;) ("You can try to deny it all day long, but the bottom line is we're NOT better than they are") ![]() |
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You can try to deny it all day long, but the bottom line is we're better than they are... Sorry, you could not be further from the truth if you actually tried. It sounds to me like the sentiment of ancient Egypt, Rome, Greece, Persia, Russia, Britain, Hitler, Attila, and all the old empires and dictators of the past that you care to name. You and your kind are destined to follow them protesting your might and right to your dying breath. "My name is Ozymandias. Gaze on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" Your personal God is a glorious Trinity indeed: Self, Money and America. You worship him with undivided loyalty. One can only stand back and admire such self-delusional conceit and contempt. The priests of the ancient gods would be proud to see such devotion. At least the decent religions all show that a bit of humility is the best of all virtues. Hate gets you nowhere. ![]() ![]() |
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You can try to deny it all day long, but the bottom line is we're better than they are... Laughing Out Loud There you go defending yourself again... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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At least the decent religions all show that a bit of humility is the best of all virtues. Hate gets you nowhere. I think this is pearls before swine - since one of our opponents in this discussion is one who advocates humiliation and terrorization of people who are just suspects (but often even innocents) to press information out of them. Account frozen... |
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At least the decent religions all show that a bit of humility is the best of all virtues. Hate gets you nowhere. You don't actually get information as the term should be understood. What you get is a regurgitation of what the 'suspect" thinks you want to hear ... And if the person is a "suspect" by what law are we extracting information by coercion? Or are we now a nation of rulers and not law? Had George listened ... things would be different ... oh my ... if only he had listened ... Oh sorry, I was thinking of the wrong George ... The old historical King George ... I missed that, silly me, I though we were talking about King George of the Divine Right of Haliburton and by the grace of Dick Cheney ... |
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At least the decent religions all show that a bit of humility is the best of all virtues. Hate gets you nowhere. The safety of American citizens comes WAAAAY before the "rights" of enemy combatants captured on the field of battle. You see, as someone who's NOT an enemy sympathizer, I really don't care about the problems these people have created for themselves. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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The safety of American citizens comes WAAAAY before the "rights" of enemy combatants captured on the field of battle. I suspect rabies or some other brain disease. I just hope for the sake of the WHOLE world that the coming election keeps people with such poisonous views out of the White House. "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". Samuel Johnson April 7, 1775. ![]() ![]() |
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