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Message 742466 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 742459.  

Why don't you inform them of your status Rush, all you need is a letter from where you are studying to say you are a student? I am glad you are having fun with the taxes I pay..

I will eventually. I have the letter. Signed and dated last October. And luckily the first person who contacted me decided to be a screamer and a yeller--I think he thought that was a way to motivate people into compliance.

What it actually was was a way to motivate me into wasting an enormous amount of their time and money. Yay them.
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Message 742469 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:10:14 UTC - in response to Message 742458.  
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I'm just visiualizing Rush and BrainSmashR desperately trying to sell stuff in a society with no money, or to hoard stuff in a society were everything is available for free
I suppose they would be asked to attend a counsellor (or therapist)...

But to comment BrainSmashR's last post:
[...] - and I know of at least one private company which had their mercenaries over there in Iraq. So much for "dishing out propaganda".


You haven't seen it in America

What about the Private Military? What about private cops? Don't tell me this is not to be seen in America. It would be an outright lie.


This is not a cop! That's a private security officer! See his gun?


Every American not convicted of a felony has a constitutionally protected right to bear arms, however, one must be given special permission to carry a gun in public...such permission is commonly referred to as a permit or license.

As proof of that concept, I offer this excerpt from your own link:
It is one of dozens of private security companies given police powers by the state of North Carolina

and I'll just throw this one in for good measure:
currently limited to the private property of those who hire them,


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Message 742475 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:17:34 UTC
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I mentioned employees of private security companies acting as if they were cops, and I mentioned mercenaries paid by private companies who fight in Iraq for example - and you said I just dished out propaganda.
Facts speak for themselves: they are existing - hence no propaganda.
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Message 742479 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 742475.  

Hence, no dishing out propaganda.


Your ignorance of our laws does not constitute propaganda...


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Message 742485 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:24:39 UTC - in response to Message 742479.  
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Hence, no dishing out propaganda.


Your ignorance of our laws does not constitute propaganda...

i'm really sorry that I don't know all federal laws and all state laws of each of the 50 or so states (I'm no lawyer) - but I do know the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. And I do have (whether you believe it or not) common sense and an intuitive knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.
And I do think, to give law-enforcement into private hands IS outright wrong.
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Message 742486 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 742475.  
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I mentioned employees of private security companies acting as if they were cops, and I mentioned mercenaries paid by private companies who fight in Iraq for example - and you said I just dished out propaganda.
Facts speak for themselves: they are existing - hence no propaganda.


Perhaps if you had read the entire article, you would have noticed they DO NOT have the same authority as a cop...and I quote:

private security patrols without police authority carry weapons, sometimes dress like SWAT teams and make citizen's arrests.

Which, as you may notice, is also legal in Germany...imagine my surprise


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Message 742489 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:26:37 UTC - in response to Message 742485.  
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Hence, no dishing out propaganda.


Your ignorance of our laws does not constitute propaganda...

i'm really sorry that I don't know all federal laws and all state laws of each of the 50 or so states (I'm no lawyer) - but I do know the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. And I do have (whether you believe it or not) common sense and an intuitive knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.
And I do think, to give law-enforcement into private hands IS outright wrong.


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America and basing your concept of right and wrong on half-truths


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Message 742491 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:29:17 UTC - in response to Message 742489.  


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.
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Message 742494 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 742491.  
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Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.


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Message 742498 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 742494.  


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!
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Message 742499 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:39:10 UTC - in response to Message 742498.  


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!


You can't bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs...


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Message 742509 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 22:52:14 UTC - in response to Message 742475.  
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I mentioned employees of private security companies acting as if they were cops, and I mentioned mercenaries paid by private companies who fight in Iraq for example - and you said I just dished out propaganda.
Facts speak for themselves: they are existing - hence no propaganda.


I really felt like I needed to address this one again for you.

These private security guards are exercising rights enjoyed by ALL Americans. The right to bear arms...in public with permission, and to make a citizens arrest.

The fact that they are hired by a private entity DOES NOT grant them any rights or privileges above the local, state, and federal laws every American is bound by...which seems to be exactly what you are implying.


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Message 742516 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 23:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 742499.  


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!


You can't bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs...

Very sarcastic euphemism for sacrificing thousands of lives and billions of tax Dollars to get rid of someone who was in the way of gaining more profit for a few American companies... (and who coincidentially was a tyrant - but would it have been a difference if he hadn't been one? I doubt it.)

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Message 742547 - Posted: 22 Apr 2008, 1:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 742516.  
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Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!


You can't bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs...

Very sarcastic euphemism for sacrificing thousands of lives and billions of tax Dollars to get rid of someone who was in the way of gaining more profit for a few American companies... (and who coincidentially was a tyrant - but would it have been a difference if he hadn't been one? I doubt it.)


It's not sarcasm...

The fact of the matter is that in order to create, more often than not, something must be destroyed, be it eggs for a cake or tyranny for democracy.


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Message 742593 - Posted: 22 Apr 2008, 2:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 742547.  

The fact of the matter is that in order to create, more often than not, something must be destroyed

I think God would disagree... But we already know who you serve, that other guy... ;)

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Message 744114 - Posted: 25 Apr 2008, 19:06:16 UTC - in response to Message 742489.  

Then might I suggest you stop [snip] basing your concept of right and wrong on half-truths

That's where I come in... ;)

(. . . and you seem to be my most frequent customer.)
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Message 744137 - Posted: 25 Apr 2008, 19:48:45 UTC - in response to Message 742516.  


Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!


You can't bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs...

Very sarcastic euphemism for sacrificing thousands of lives and billions of tax Dollars to get rid of someone who was in the way of gaining more profit for a few American companies... (and who coincidentially was a tyrant - but would it have been a difference if he hadn't been one? I doubt it.)

More unsubstantiated garbage from you in your continued efforts to apologize tyrants, murderous thugs, and dictators. All you need to do now is alert all of the news media with your proof that the motive for the Iraq war was profit for (insert your most hated 'big' companies here) and you'd be more famous than Woodward and Bernstein.
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Message 744171 - Posted: 25 Apr 2008, 21:07:47 UTC - in response to Message 744137.  
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Then might I suggest you stop telling Americans how things are done in America...

Sure..the minute America stops telling the rest of the world what to do.


In case you missed the memo. We didn't "tell" Iraq to remove Saddam from power, we went in and actually did the job.

... by invading the country and starting a war!


You can't bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs...

Very sarcastic euphemism for sacrificing thousands of lives and billions of tax Dollars to get rid of someone who was in the way of gaining more profit for a few American companies... (and who coincidentially was a tyrant - but would it have been a difference if he hadn't been one? I doubt it.)

More unsubstantiated garbage from you in your continued efforts to apologize tyrants, murderous thugs, and dictators. All you need to do now is alert all of the news media with your proof that the motive for the Iraq war was profit for (insert your most hated 'big' companies here) and you'd be more famous than Woodward and Bernstein.
Well, the independent media have been telling that for years, and the other ones are too dependent from big money to be contrary to the official opinion.
Most hated company? I don't have a most hated company - but if you want examples of companies that profit from the war, just look at the weapon producing industry, at the oil industry - even those mercenaries of the private military companies profit from the war - and they get paid by YOU, with your tax dollars! You see the numbers on the officially published statistics? The war, started by your government, has cost your country in average f'ing $341.4 million per single day! For the same money the US spent for the war in 2007 alone, more than 20 million university scholarships for a year, or more than a million affordable house units, or about 10,000 new-built elementary schools could have been provided. Is the "normal citizen" worth so little that the government rather throws the money away for unnecessary things like invasions than for fighting homelessness, poverty, social inequality in general in their own country?

I wish all of our governments nothing evil - but each of those in the parliament/Congress/Bundestag/Houses of Parliament etc - each of these government people should walk in the shoes of a poor person for 2 or 3 months before going back on their posts. I'm sure this experience would radically change their point of view on budget priorities. They would think twice if any single more dollar for war is needed as long as the US is not threatened, and as long as there is poverty and homelessness, and as long as people have to make debts to get education.

For your interest: I never apologized tyrants or killers - but I also know that the end NEVER justifies the means. And NOTHING, except being attacked by an army, ever justifies a war!
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Message 744189 - Posted: 25 Apr 2008, 21:42:17 UTC - in response to Message 744171.  


I wish all of our governments nothing evil - but each of those in the parliament/Congress/Bundestag/Houses of Parliament etc - each of these government people should walk in the shoes of a poor person for 2 or 3 months before going back on their posts. I'm sure this experience would radically change their point of view on budget priorities. They would think twice if any single more dollar for war is needed as long as the US is not threatened, and as long as there is poverty and homelessness, and as long as people have to make debts to get education.

I agree. I've seen so many politicians say they are going to "see about the poor people's situation" but all they do is ride through a slum district in their fancy limousine and maybe walk into a homeless shelter and look around. They don't have to "live" like that! If they did, like you said, just for a few months, I guarantee they would go back to their plump cushy chairs in their nice offices with a whole different outlook. And then again, maybe not.
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Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.
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Message 744196 - Posted: 25 Apr 2008, 22:02:11 UTC

Nice dodge there. I never said no company would profit from the war. Other companies lost revenues because of a decrease in state side business. That wasn't your claim. You said the war itself was fought so that these companies could profit. i.e. that that was the reason the U.S. and allies went to war in the first place.
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