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John D Anthony Send message Joined: 4 Sep 15 Posts: 177 Credit: 1,303,001 RAC: 1 |
Your comment led to an interesting chain of thought and another possible answer to the Fermi Paradox. Given that not long ago we weren't certain that there even are planets around other stars and that now, as you say, we will soon be directly imaging the atmospheres of other planets, let's simply extrapolate that progress into the future. What if we - and presumably other civilizations - develop the capacity to directly image other worlds as clearly and closely as our own satellites in Earth orbit do for us? If we could watch life on other worlds - it's environment, evolution, technological development - would we still consider the expense and hazards of interstellar travel justified? Maybe no one's visiting because they don't need to. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
No encounters: most ambitious alien search to date draws a blank Astronomers who have been listening for signals from alien civilisations in the most intensive hunt for extraterrestrials yet have found no evidence of life in its first year in operation. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
No aliens yet for $100 million ET hunt A $100 million search for intelligent aliens has come up with some intriguing leads but has revealed no evidence of E.T. so far. Observations of nearly 700 stars by the Green Bank Telescope (GBT) in West Virginia revealed no compelling signs of alien civilizations, representatives of the Breakthrough Listen project, which led the observations for the E.T. search, announced April 20. Team members also unveiled the GBT's 11 "most significant" observed events but stressed that these hits were probably caused by human technology. 13 Ways to Hunt Intelligent Aliens "We were able to determine that they were most likely due to radio frequency interference," Andrew Siemion, director of the University of California, Berkeley's SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Research Center, said Thursday during a presentation at the Breakthrough Discuss conference. The new results are just the beginning for Breakthrough Listen , which billionaire entrepreneur Yuri Milner and a group of scientists, including Stephen Hawking, announced in July 2015. Over the next decade, the ambitious project aims to search the 1 million stars closest to the sun, the 100 galaxies closest to our own Milky Way, and the galactic plane for possible signals of intelligent extraterrestrial life. Breakthrough Listen scientists are starting with an initial target list of 1,709 stars, which the team is observing with three telescopes: the 330-foot GBT radio dish, the 210-foot-wide Parkes radio telescope in Australia and the Automated Planet Finder, a 7.9-foot optical telescope at the Lick Observatory in California. "This sample of stars is designed to be what we call 'spectral type complete' — it samples stars of every spectral type," Siemion said. "We want to look at as many different types of stars as possible, to leave ourselves open to any possibility that life might emerge [around] one of these stars." The newly announced results, which the team submitted to The Astrophysical Journal on Thursday, are based on GBT data for 692 of those 1,709 stars. The telescope made about 5,000 individual 5-minute observations, racking up a total of 400 observing hours, Siemion said. Those observations targeted a band of frequencies that includes the "water hole," a quiet part of the radio spectrum that SETI scientists have long speculated would be a good window for interstellar communication. The water hole lies between the emission band of hydroxyl molecules (OH) and that of hydrogen. Together, hydroxyl and hydrogen form water — hence the name. "These results represent the most comprehensive and fundamental test of the water-hole hypothesis that's ever been conducted for nearby stars," Siemion said. "This is a classic idea in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence that's been with us for more than four decades." Breakthrough Listen is part of the Breakthrough Initiatives, which Milner founded in 2015 to look for evidence of life beyond Earth and help spur space exploration. Another program under this umbrella is Breakthrough Starshot , which aims to develop a system that can blast tiny, sail-equipped nanoprobes to other star systems at 20 percent the speed of light using powerful lasers. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Next year, scientists will send messages to search for aliens For the last half-century or so, astronomers around the world have been scanning the cosmos with massive radio telescopes in hopes of finding some sign of intelligent life. This network of alien-hunters comprises the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI), but despite all their efforts, the interstellar radio waves have remained quiet. One might even say too quiet. |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
Crypto-currency craze 'hinders search for alien life' - 14 February 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43056744# Scientists listening out for broadcasts by extra-terrestrials are struggling to get the computer hardware they need, thanks to the crypto-currency mining craze, a radio-astronomer has said. Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
Listening for Aliens, with Carolyn Porco and Dan Werthimer (Repeat) https://www.startalkradio.net/show/listening-aliens-carolyn-porco-repeat/ May 1, 2018 • Season 3 Episode 9 Explore SETI and the Breakthrough Listen Initiative, the most comprehensive search for extraterrestrial intelligence ever, with host Carolyn Porco, co-host Chuck Nice, and Dan Werthimer, the Initiative’s principal investigator and SETI@home co-founder. Is anybody out there? How would we know? And what happens if there is? Welcome to our second episode of StarTalk All-Stars, when host Carolyn Porco, and her guest Dan Werthimer, principal investigator of the Breakthrough Listen Initiative, answer your Cosmic Queries about the search for ET, chosen by co-host Chuck Nice. You’ll learn why Breakthrough Listen is the most comprehensive search for extraterrestrial intelligence ever, a new leap forward able to scan 10 times more of the sky and 5 times more of the radio spectrum, with 50 times greater sensitivity than any previous SETI project. You’ll hear about the search for life on the moons of exoplanets, as well as the possibility of microbial life here in our solar system. Explore the difficulties with the Drake Equation, which predicts the likelihood of intelligent alien civilizations, as well as the difficulties of designing instruments and spacecraft to detect life forms that could be quite different from us. Find out what a “second genesis†in our solar system could tell us about the chances for life in the rest of the universe. Carolyn and Dan discuss the protocols that are in place for responding to an alien signal and ponder an even bigger question: who should speak for Earth if we do make contact? Finally, dive into one of the most controversial issues being debated today: should humanity be broadcasting our existence to the galaxy at large, or is that a recipe for disaster that could end up with humanity’s enslavement…or worse? Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
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HP-PC Send message Joined: 29 Oct 18 Posts: 1 Credit: 34,990 RAC: 0 |
Reconstruction of an image using radio signal data collected by SETI since its inception I am kindly requesting if there is a software out there that can reconstruct an image using the radio data collected and processed by seti@home ,I cant predict what exactly it would look like and i am not aware if seti even stores all the processed data since its inception ,but i believe it would be interesting what that image would look like .i know many people would ask me to look at the beautiful Hubble images instead what i am interested in is the hot and cold spots and its general appearance. i think even if most of the image wont be interesting there could be some thing of interest even if its not a life form Francis |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Take a look at the "SetiSpirt" mapping of data, it might be what you are looking for. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
Astronomer Jill Tarter discusses the search for intelligent life November 2, 2018 by Colleen Walsh, Harvard University https://phys.org/news/2018-11-astronomer-jill-tarter-discusses-intelligent.html Excerpt: GAZETTE: You talked about giving your listeners homework. My colleague mentioned to me an app that you could download to your computer that would help search for intelligent life while the machine slept.(as we can see the article contains a few factual errors, but we can't complain ^.^) If SETI uses off-the-shelf hardware & software for AI — can’t you? VB Staff October 15, 2018 https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/15/if-seti-uses-off-the-shelf-hardware-software-cant-you/ Excerpt: “We use gaming GPUs,†says Dr. Andrew Siemion, director of the Berkeley SETI research center. “We use the GeForce series from Nvidia. We use consumer level flash drives.†Siemion is one of the speakers at VB Summit, coming up on October 22-23 in Mill Valley, CA. Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Tiny aliens may have visited us and we just didn’t know: NASA scientist “Tiny, super-intelligent†aliens may have already visited Earth — but humans simply didn’t notice them, a NASA scientist claims in a new research paper. Silvano P. Colombano, of NASA’s Intelligent Systems Division, argued in a recent research paper that extraterrestrials may look different than what we expect and may be able to travel huge distances — and so we may have never realized that they’d paid us a visit. Silvano P. Colombano, of NASA’s Intelligent Systems Division, argued in a recent research paper that extraterrestrials may look different than what we expect and may be able to travel huge distances — and so we may have never realized that they’d paid us a visit. “I simply want to point out the fact that the intelligence we might find and that might choose to find us (if it hasn’t already) might not be at all be produced by carbon based organisms like us,†Colombano wrote in “New Assumptions to Guide SETI Research.†|
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
“Tiny, super-intelligent†aliens may have already visited Earth — but humans simply didn’t notice them, a NASA scientist claims in a new research paper. That's a very good point, and reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode where we appeared as giants to the aliens. ;~) The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Who is paying this guy's salary and who OK-ed the paper delivered in some journal. Another sign of Government incompetence and waste. Time to do a little house cleaning , Fur Sure Bubba !! |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I have read the original article and could not find any referral to the size of aliens who may have visited Earth. Journalists may have misunderstood the article. Tullio I found nothing wrong with it. |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
Silvano P. Colombano is a doctor of philosophy (1). Yes, he's also working at NASA's Intelligent Systems Division and he surely has the credentials for this kind of pay grade, but this said I must say that my dentist also has an opinion about wether aliens, great and small, populate the universe and visited us. But sadly, her interesting views are of no interest to the yellow press because she has no NASA credentials. Now, I found his paper (2) on the importance for science of giving more space for the scientific investigation of "low signal-to-noise data" (the polite term for, say, UFO research and angelology?). I simply want to point out the fact that the intelligence we might find and that might choose toFair enough. But I can see how the sensationalist press latched on tiny aliens visiting Earth. In light of the challenges described above I propose a more “aggressive†approach to future SETI explora-At this stage, I just wonder how NASA will justify keeping a philosopher who apparently fails to see the importance of evidence-based science on their payroll without paying a price at the credibility counter. The only thing worse for NASA would be to have a creationist paid to advocate in favor of scientific studies seeking to count the number of angels dancing on the top of a pin. 1. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Silvano_Colombano 2. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20180001925 Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Colombano probably has a PhD degree. PhD means Philosophiae Doctor in Latin. But you can have a PhD in theoretical physics or aeronautical engineering, not in philosophy. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I have always a problem when filling some forms which require my academic level. I have a Laurea in Theoretical Physics but what is it in Anglosaxon terms? A BS? No. A Master? Perhaps. A Phd? not that I know In Italy there is the Dottorato di Ricerca, probably the equivalent of a PhD, but I don't have one. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
My Laurea dates to February 1967. Its main results were published in Il Nuovo Cimento main body in September 1967. The article, by G.Bisiacchi et al cites my thesis. The title is "SU(N,1) representation for the harmonic oscillator". |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Yes Chris, thanks. I have also worked in the Experimental Physics Laboratory before graduation, managing radioactive substances (CO60) without any protection or insurance. I used it to get neutrons to calibrate a bubble chamber built for International Atomic Energy Agency, whose electronics I shifted from vacuum tubes to transistors. I was the first to use Germanium transistors in Trieste in 1960.I have it as a memory because I fell in love with a blonde girl who was scanning bubble chamber photos from CERN. She typed her results on IBM cards and we brought them to the only computer in Trieste, a UNIVAC machine. But we also took some ice cream on the way from the University to downtown. Cheers, and thanks again. Tullio |
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