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Bryn Send message Joined: 2 Jun 01 Posts: 85 Credit: 925,923 RAC: 58
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Yours also appears to be broken 'if' you also have it set to shut off when 'you' are using the machine. It isn't unlatching your CPU either. No no - the machine remains completely responsive at all times. There's no noticeable difference in the 'feel' of the machine between running BOINC/seti or not running it. Please remember that 'top' displaying near 100% CPU usage doesn't mean anything is necessarily latched up. :)
I think this is just an indication of problems elsewhere. I've not asked BOINC to do anything special with respect to CPU usage yet it's still perfectly well behaved. (mind you, BOINC may well ignore this setting: it's not something I've ever tweaked - but this isn't what's causing your problem, I'm sure) To err is human; to moo, bovine. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I am in trouble on the install, I seem to be missing files. I am using the directions in the post for Newbies and am using the terminal because the GUI only finds the old version of the files in their packages. When I get to one point, I get this: use /home/mike/BOINC/run_client to start BOINC That command works from the GUI to open a bunch more files: mike@mike:~/BOINC$ ls all_projects_list.xml boinc_cmd client_state.xml run_client binstall.sh ca-bundle.crt gui_rpc_auth.cfg time_stats_log boinc client_state_prev.xml lockfile Now I am lost, I can't find a boincmgr file. (Edit) I now get this also: mike@mike:~/BOINC$ locate boincmgr /usr/share/app-install/icons/boincmgr-32.xpm mike@mike:~/BOINC$ sudo updatedb mike@mike:~/BOINC$ locate boincmgr /home/mike/.Trash/boincmgr /usr/share/app-install/icons/boincmgr-32.xpm mike@mike:~/BOINC$ Any help would be appreciated. Mike |
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jharrop Send message Joined: 5 Jan 08 Posts: 1 Credit: 1,109 RAC: 0
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I have the same or a similar problem. I'm running Ubuntu 7.04 with the packages from the repository. (BOINC Manager is 5.4.11) My preferences are set to -- Suspend work while computer is in use? yes -- 'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last 3 minutes But in BOINC Manager I can see tasks being worked on (even as I type), and Ubuntu's System Monitor shows all 4 cores running at 100%. If I suspend the projects in BOINC Manager (SETI & climate prediction), CPU usage immediately drops to 0. So it looks like BOINC Manager is ignoring the preferences? |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I take that back all it found was the old deleted and uninstalled Boinc Manager in the packages. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I just downloaded 5.10.28 from Boinc but it didn't come with a Boincmgr? I got a run_client that works, but no manager. Now what the heck is going on.... (Edit) the other posters are right, it is one Serious pain to install from scratch. I am getting it I think, found the mgr anyway.. Mike |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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The Boinc site says for Ubuntu users to use the packaged one which is that one. I should get the generic linux one from Boinc then?
LOL! Ok, ok, spaced that one out. I was using the GUI search, I went to the terminal and up it came... I will update Boinc first, thanks. Mike |
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Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0
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It is a outdated version. Please upgrade to a recent version.
??? Last time you had written, that it is at mike@mike:~/Desktop/BOINC. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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Version 5.10.8
I can't seem to locate that file name in a local search? Mike |
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Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0
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Hm, which BOINC version do you use ? Please stop the BOINC client and edit the file global_prefs_override.xml and change the value between <cpu_usage_limit> and </cpu_usage_limit> to the value you wan't. For example : <cpu_usage_limit>70.000000</cpu_usage_limit> Save the file and start the BOINC client. Did it now work ? If not please send me the output from the grep command again. You'r network looks OK. - I only wan't to verify if there are some troubles on the network site. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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But 'there' is the main trouble, Boinc will not unlatch the CPU like it is instructed to do in the preferences or 'only' actually 'use' the 50% max of the CPU the preferences are set at! I use the links provided in the Boinc manager under Projects for my online preferences and account setup and the pull down box at the top of Boinc Manager under 'advanced' and 'preferences' for my local settings.
mike@mike:~$ cd Desktop mike@mike:~/Desktop$ cd BOINC mike@mike:~/Desktop/BOINC$ grep cpu_usage_limit global_prefs_override.xml <cpu_usage_limit>100.000000</cpu_usage_limit> mike@mike:~/Desktop/BOINC$
mike@mike:~$ ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:29:10:AE:D8 inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:29ff:fe10:aed8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:10315 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9993 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:6468087 (6.1 MB) TX bytes:2040066 (1.9 MB) Interrupt:3 Base address:0xe000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:2252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:1584702 (1.5 MB) TX bytes:1584702 (1.5 MB) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:76.66.132.196 P-t-P:64.230.197.222 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:9222 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9440 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:6307193 (6.0 MB) TX bytes:1815454 (1.7 MB) mike@mike:~$ mike@mike:~$ netstat -in Kernel Interface table Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg eth0 1500 0 10320 0 0 0 9997 0 0 0 BMRU lo 16436 0 2558 0 0 0 2558 0 0 0 LRU ppp0 1492 0 9224 0 0 0 9442 0 0 0 MOPRU mike@mike:~$ Here you go. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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Yours also appears to be broken 'if' you also have it set to shut off when 'you' are using the machine. It isn't unlatching your CPU either.
Sorry, that was my loose description. I just meant the sort of 'grind to a halt' thing you've described when running BOINC/seti. Odd... <scratches head> [/quote] I could 'very' well be that my hardware has issues with the sharing, but it wouldn't have any issues if the program would follow it's 'preferences' and shut off! |
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Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0
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But 'there' is the main trouble, Boinc will not unlatch the CPU like it is instructed to do in the preferences or 'only' actually 'use' the 50% max of the CPU the preferences are set at! Where excatly do you have setup your prefs ? - On the prefs over the BOINC manager or over the website ? Could you please change to the BOINC directory and issue and post the output from the command : "grep cpu_usage_limit global_prefs_override.xml". Edit : Could you please post the ouput from "ifconfig -a" and "netstat -in". |
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Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0
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[quote] Could you please try it out. It is very important to know what excatly is slowed down when BOINC and SETI is active ! |
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Bryn Send message Joined: 2 Jun 01 Posts: 85 Credit: 925,923 RAC: 58
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Hmm, but there's the odd thing: I'm running the same version as you on the same CPU and in less RAM - yet because mine is behaving fine, I really don't think it's BOINC which has the problem. A few posts back you gave this 'top' output (edited) when running BOINC/seti: top - 14:28:58 up 24 min, 2 users, load average: 1.45, 0.84, 0.54 Tasks: 97 total, 2 running, 95 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 4.3%us, 0.7%sy, 94.4%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st Mem: 1555796k total, 414040k used, 1141756k free, 14728k buffers Swap: 514072k total, 0k used, 514072k free, 219300k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 5665 mike 39 19 37076 33m 8 R 95.0 2.2 3:35.32 setiathome-5.27 4747 root 15 0 42464 25m 8144 S 2.0 1.7 0:52.09 Xorg 5660 mike 15 0 45780 16m 12m S 1.7 1.1 0:06.61 boincmgr 5647 mike 15 0 4232 2104 1556 S 0.3 0.1 0:00.24 boinc 1 root 16 0 2948 1852 532 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.08 init 2 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 kthreadd 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 (...) Here's mine (through 'top -b -n1' and edited for brevity):
top - 22:59:41 up 1 day, 10:21, 5 users, load average: 1.03, 1.03, 1.03
Tasks: 95 total, 2 running, 93 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.2% sy, 98.9% ni, 0.2% id, 0.1% wa, 0.4% hi, 0.0% si
Mem: 776060k total, 644032k used, 132028k free, 214844k buffers
Swap: 1052216k total, 0k used, 1052216k free, 177648k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
9148 brian 39 19 39272 34m 8 R 90.8 4.6 333:25.84 setiathome-5.27
5980 root 15 0 56328 19m 3608 S 7.3 2.6 4:27.36 X
9678 brian 15 0 2052 868 656 R 3.6 0.1 0:00.02 top
1 root 16 0 680 248 216 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.67 init
2 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
(...)
6639 brian 15 0 11484 6136 5168 S 0.0 0.8 0:43.23 boincmgr
6640 brian 15 0 3904 2124 1448 S 0.0 0.3 0:05.69 boinc
(...)
9146 brian 34 19 39272 34m 8 S 0.0 4.6 0:00.12 setiathome-5.27
9147 brian 34 19 39272 34m 8 S 0.0 4.6 0:00.00 setiathome-5.27
9149 brian 34 19 39272 34m 8 S 0.0 4.6 0:00.01 setiathome-5.27
This is running under KDE and is started manually from a desktop icon with just 'run_manager' as the command component, from within the BOINC installation directory off my home directory. I just installed it with the default GUI stuff as-is, and made no other tweaks to the installation. The machine is generally left running so I've not bothered with any auto-start scripting. There's also no unusual or heavy network use as a result of running BOINC/seti - only what I might be getting up to (nothing else, apart from a few shell windows waiting for input at the time of this 'top' output).
Sorry, that was my loose description. I just meant the sort of 'grind to a halt' thing you've described when running BOINC/seti. Odd... <scratches head> To err is human; to moo, bovine. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I will try again maybe later.
But 'there' is the main trouble, Boinc will not unlatch the CPU like it is instructed to do in the preferences or 'only' actually 'use' the 50% max of the CPU the preferences are set at! Load stress is something all together different and I would have 'no' load issues, perceived or real if the program would behave as it is supposed to do and just shut off when 'I' want to use 'my' computer.
It is 'not' being left to it's own devices, I am insisting it use only 50% of my CPU and insisting it shuts down when I am using the computer via the preferences both here and in my PC.
Thanks |
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Bryn Send message Joined: 2 Jun 01 Posts: 85 Credit: 925,923 RAC: 58
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There seems to be something wrong as I write this. I just tried grabbing both mprime2414.tar.gz and sprime2414.tar.gz from http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm but in each case the Firefox downloads window showed 'waiting' for a few minutes and then 'completed' - but nothing had actually been downloaded. The Russian mirror site mentioned at the above site fails to resolve - it seems to no longer exist. As to your main problem - I do find it a little suspicious that this is the same motherboard which gave similar 'heavy load' problems with BOINC when it was running under Windows. I'm inclined to agree with Dotsch that there's a fundamental hardware problem lurking at the back of all this. For what it's worth, I have BOINC running perfectly well on an ancient Intel 440BX-based motherboard with 1GB RAM and a PIII CPU. Actually, it's a card adapter carrying the PIII since this motherboard only has a Pentium II slot. I did say it was ancient! :) I also use this machine as an alternate "browsing base", plus a few other things, yet it's never shown anything like the sort of performance hit you describe. It's left running BOINC 24/7. The OS is a fairly old SUSE 9.3 release. Well, it ain't broke so I ain't fixing it... If left to its own devices, BOINC will always try to obtain 100% CPU usage (really, like almost any other application would typically want to do) but bear in mind that when using things like 'top' to display loadings, you're only getting a tiny snapshot every second or so. All the time, running processes are given access to resources (and have them taken away) very quickly so what appears to be a constant high load isn't necessarily so. Also, the resource management of Linux is such that as other tasks require more CPU time or other resources, access is granted very efficiently and in a very controlled/controllable way. It's probably only because of this good behaviour that I'm able to run BOINC on this venerable box - when running Windows98 (on another dusty old partition) and not doing very much at all, it's horribly sluggish. Just my $0.2, and I hope that whatever's going wrong is quickly nailed. To err is human; to moo, bovine. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I only used the link provided earlier the other day, haven't tried since, have been busy setting up hardware. I will try again and see if that program will unlatch the CPU.[/quote] Ok, all the links my Google shows for a Linux download lead to the same page and it is down. Yup, 'tons ' of links that all point the same place.... I just spent a half hour trying, that's enough. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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I don't work with the GUI often, I just use those two programs mostly and it hits the network connection. I am a Usenet user from 'way' back and barely use the WWW so when my 'text only' Usenet groups and their reader program hangs in space because of some piece of GUI software that isn't even 'supposed' to be running, it just well isn't acceptable. Netscape Communicator got locked up as well as Thunderbird now.
It is 'supposed' to 'shut' down, not maybe 'give me space' to work!
I don't know really. I get mad at it and don't bother to wait until it resolves, because the first few times gave me a DSL timeout, so I just go and suspend it.
The first generations of Boinc had a bug that wouldn't allow the CPU use settings in the preferences to work. I got an email back in early 07 I think it was implying the bug was fixed.
Only the same ASUS CUV4X motherboard, all the add ons and memory chips are new, including a new power supply.
I only used the link provided earlier the other day, haven't tried since, have been busy setting up hardware. I will try again and see if that program will unlatch the CPU. |
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Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0
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What excatly do you mean with "The program just will not unlatch the CPU." ? This shows your problem a little bit in a other view. Is the slowdown only on network access like you have bescribed, or is is also if you start and using other programms and working with the GUI ?
As I have explained you in my previos postings in the other threads : it is ok that SETI uses 100 % CPU, the process is running with the lowest prio so your other processes like FF, TB,.. should get the CPU if it need it. The slowown is not normal and we must search for the cause. But your previous problem describtion was very unprecise. We have look closer to the problem and analyse it and search for the cause. [ This is not what I have meaned. I meaned if you running BOINC, did this behavior occurs permanently or only tempoarly ?
Which bug excactly do you mean ? Whas this the same hardware like on the Linux system with the problem ? - If yes, I think that you have a hardware problem. Edit: I had no problem to download prime95. Alternativ... google shows about 74000 results for prime95, the first 20 was alternative download mirrors. |
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Slim Send message Joined: 14 Oct 00 Posts: 55 Credit: 72,370 RAC: 0
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Thanks for the output. I think it looks OK on the first view. The Seti program combined with the boincmgr want 100% of my CPU power. They will not relinquish control when 'I' want to use the computer, like right now. This causes my other programs, like Firefox to literally hang with the 'waiting for connection' icon revolving. When I go into boincmgr and suspend the project, the CPU gets let loose and Forefox 'instantly' finishes loading the page. This happens both with Firefox and my Usenet program Thunderbird. I have a smaller window for boincmgr so can see the underneath program start working and finish instantly after I suspend boinc's project. Sorry, but this just isn't acceptable behavior.
Umm see above, the computer works proper with boinc in suspend mode or just not turned on, otherwise it messes up fairly soon.
I have not been able to get prime95, their links are down.
That is the second vmstat 5 copy in my last post, but I didn't have Firefox and Thunderbird running.
Ok, here is a vmstat 5 with everything running followed by the cpuinfo: mike@mike:~$ vmstat 5 procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa 2 0 0 1015232 19544 276048 0 0 80 36 253 268 53 3 43 2 1 0 0 1015100 19552 276048 0 0 0 94 359 283 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1015100 19560 276048 0 0 0 7 339 175 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1015092 19572 276044 0 0 0 115 414 470 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1014968 19580 276036 0 0 0 64 339 137 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1014968 19580 276044 0 0 0 0 323 75 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1014968 19588 276044 0 0 0 2 323 81 99 1 0 0 1 0 0 1014968 19596 276044 0 0 0 2 324 88 99 1 0 0 1 0 0 1014968 19612 276044 0 0 0 17 323 76 98 2 0 0 1 0 0 1014976 19620 276044 0 0 0 13 358 325 98 2 0 0 mike@mike:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping : 3 cpu MHz : 731.512 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse up bogomips : 1480.03 clflush size : 32 Thanks for your time. I also was hit back with the first generations of Boinc and my Windows 98 with the same issues and had to stop using it in Windows. I used Classic for a lot of years under a couple email names. I was really hoping the bug was 'actually' fixed when I got an email implying it last year because I am now using Linux. |
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