OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Ok, seriously, can this stop?

I would love to, as soon as they stop attempting to twist my words or intentions. I want to make myself clear and I'd like to end any incorrect conclusions about me if I have an opportunity to do so.

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OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Why, because you say so? since when can you decide on the merits of everybody who posts in the cafe?

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OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Why, because you say so? since when can you decide on the merits of everybody who posts in the cafe?

It is an opinion. Just like anyone elses opinion. It is the administrators opinion of the usefulness of the forums. If the administrators decide they are too much trouble compared to the gain for the project, the forums disappear.

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OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Why, because you say so? since when can you decide on the merits of everybody who posts in the cafe?

It is an opinion. Just like anyone elses opinion. It is the administrators opinion of the usefulness of the forums. If the administrators decide they are too much trouble compared to the gain for the project, the forums disappear.

Perhaps it is best, if I had a vote I'd go with the rest of the admins in light of what has been happening in the last few hours.

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OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Why, because you say so? since when can you decide on the merits of everybody who posts in the cafe?

It is an opinion. Just like anyone elses opinion. It is the administrators opinion of the usefulness of the forums. If the administrators decide they are too much trouble compared to the gain for the project, the forums disappear.

Perhaps it is best, if I had a vote I'd go with the rest of the admins in light of what has been happening in the last few hours.

Thats where my vote would wind up. But I don't have a high enough RAC to have an opinion.

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OzzFans quote was
"That's why I would rather get rid of the Cafe and Politics forum. They're simply not worth it in the larger picture, regardless of what the current inhabitant (who do nothing but bicker and fight) think."

Thats condemning all of us who post there.

No, that's saying that the bad outweighs the good.

Why, because you say so? since when can you decide on the merits of everybody who posts in the cafe?

It is an opinion. Just like anyone elses opinion. It is the administrators opinion of the usefulness of the forums. If the administrators decide they are too much trouble compared to the gain for the project, the forums disappear.

I agree its upto the admin, I don't think a mod should be saying that all people who post in the cafe do nothing but fight and bicker.

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I agree its upto the admin, I don't think a mod should be saying that all people who post in the cafe do nothing but fight and bicker.

I'm new as a mod, but I can say for a fact that the cafe and politics forums require 95% of the moderation actions that I've seen so far. No one is saying that 95% of the "people" in these two forums are causing problems. On the contrary, it's a relatively small number of people that are causing the problems, but that very small number of people cause 95% of the problems.
If everyone would play by the rules then there wouldn't be a problem. But some users seem to get their kicks from pushing the limits to see how many rules they can break. And when a mod does step in and try to maintain order they are bashed around, their words are twisted to fit whatever idea the other person is trying to prove, or they are simply ignored and the other person continues trying to push the limits.
I see where you have said that you like the cafe and like posting there. If you do then you should appreciate the job the moderators are doing to try to maintain order and save the cafe and the politics forums for your enjoyment.
Yes, it's up to the admins whether we have forums or not. Every rule that is broken pushes the admins closer to giving up on them. So to keep the playground for everyone to play in, then everyone is going to have to play by the rules and play fair. If users want to take over the forums and use them any way they want, then they will just have to go somewhere else because they won't have a forum here to play in.

Just my own feelings on this.

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Jim

Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had.
Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

Overall it seems that things have been quite calm for the past 4 or 5 days. That's good isn't it?

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Let me end by saying "we are all human". Nobody likes to make mistakes, but since we are human, sometimes mistakes get made. Likewise nobody likes to be threatened, flamed, or otherwise abused. So let's all act like human beings and treat each other in a civilized way. I know there are quite a few religions represented here and I'm sure most of them have a guideline for living which would be similar to this: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Just my own personal feelings.

Very nicely said Jim R, but it shouldn't just be your personal feelings, it should be all of us.

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Overall it seems that things have been quite calm for the past 4 or 5 days. That's good isn't it?

Wait a month or so. :-)

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Overall it seems that things have been quite calm for the past 4 or 5 days. That's good isn't it?

Wait a month or so. :-)

:-(

What happens in a month? Barbarians? Huns? Mongol hordes?

:-(

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

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Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

Nobody asked Grendel... why was that Pappa?

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Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

I was invited by Eric.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

As much as everyone wants changes, they won't happen. I don't mean to sound negative, it's just the way that things have gone. I really don't see any difference from 2 years ago till now, other than there's more moderators, and its easier for people to get banned where as before only admin could do it. Admim has way too much on their plate to worry about forum's. Theres the survival of the project that is more of a concern than it is to keep forums going. But on the other end of the stick, a lot of those that rely on project info visit the forums. I don't know the amount of user's that are active that read the forums, but, this project would lose quite a few people if the forums went.

I don't have any idea's to change things unfortunately. But, for those that do come up with idea's, admin does need to lend an open ear, and have an open mind about it, if changes are to occur.

Jeremy

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Maybe, because none of the other users recommended your name.

Regards

Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

Nobody asked Grendel... why was that Pappa?

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Jeremy

Eric had mentioned he was going to add new moderators. To an extent some of the users recommended several people. There was a process that (not public knowledge nor is it likely to be) happened where the new moderators arrived. Certain people were invited to join the moderators. To an extent a part of what Tony "suggested" may already be in place.

There are many thing said in the Forums, sometimes people do have ideas that are seen an presented to the administrators. Some of those changes did take some time. One more obvious one is the Politics Forum which has more relaxed rules. To an extent, Eric departed from the no discussion of specific moderation rule to explain why Tony was banned.

From my viewpoint, I have seen changes. I have seen where ideas presented by the users are heard. Those ideas come from many users.

Regards

Somehow I think this has gone beyond the original topic of the thread, back to the topic.

Tony Proposed a change to how modrators we selected. Part of the change was to give users input in who was selected...

I have a silly question, how do you suppose that our newer moderators got here?

As much as everyone wants changes, they won't happen. I don't mean to sound negative, it's just the way that things have gone. I really don't see any difference from 2 years ago till now, other than there's more moderators, and its easier for people to get banned where as before only admin could do it. Admim has way too much on their plate to worry about forum's. Theres the survival of the project that is more of a concern than it is to keep forums going. But on the other end of the stick, a lot of those that rely on project info visit the forums. I don't know the amount of user's that are active that read the forums, but, this project would lose quite a few people if the forums went.

I don't have any idea's to change things unfortunately. But, for those that do come up with idea's, admin does need to lend an open ear, and have an open mind about it, if changes are to occur.

Jeremy

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If the past is any indication, selecting new mods won't effect anything, especially if they think independently or differently, rather than being passive.

They'll only end up getting quickly voted out for not following the beat of the same drum.

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If the past is any indication, selecting new mods won't effect anything, especially if they think independently or differently, rather than being passive.

They'll only end up getting quickly voted out for not following the beat of the same drum.

Heh heh. Well said.

Can anyone say feedback loop? Self-selecting? Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

They'll only end up getting quickly voted out for not following the beat of the same drum.

A good puppet is hard to find... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .