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Message 681687 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 0:36:31 UTC
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If you're a member of a Team (any team), I believe you'll now find you have your own little fora right here at the Seti Fora. Just go here and see if it's not true for your team. Boinc Synergy members....I snagged the first post.

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I believe you can only see the fora for the team you are a member of. Team founders are moderators (I think)

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Message 681707 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 0:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 681687.  

If you're a member of a Team (any team), I believe you'll now find you have your own little fora right here at the Seti Fora. Just go here and see if it's not true for your team. Boinc Synergy members....I snagged the first post.

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I believe you can only see the fora for the team you are a member of. Team founders are moderators (I think)


I wonder how this will work if a Team Founder appears to have gone AWOL.
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Message 681712 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:03:35 UTC - in response to Message 681707.  
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I wonder how this will work if a Team Founder appears to have gone AWOL.

From the chit/chat on Boinc Dev, I've seen several questions about "what if's", and to be honest, I don't have that answer, but it seems like that question rings a bell. I thought I saw where "project mods" had no power in "team fora", and saw chat about founders and administrators being mods, but am unsure how it's all going to turn out.

Many questions, I'm sure.

Once again, Seti is the "fivestar crashtest dummy" for Boinc. I'm sure there'll be some headaches....LOL
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Message 681741 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:25:13 UTC
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Here's snippets of the Boinc Alpha mail list from Dr. Anderson while this progressed over the last five days. I have skipped everyone elses emails, and hope to discern something useable from the "bosses" comments. This means it won't "flow" very well.

Alpha testers:

For those of you who like playing around with web features,
and who belong to or manage teams:

I added a new feature that lets a team founder create
a dedicated message board for the team.
Only team members can post to this, but anyone can read it.
Team admins have moderator rights.

I deployed this on the BOINC Alpha Test project.
Please play around with it
(and the regular forums, just in case I broke something there)
and let me know of any problems.

Thanks -- David

A link to the team message boards appear on the Team page, e.g.
http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha//team_display.php?teamid=51

not on the "Messages board" page
(I guess I should it there too)

Where did the "need foundership rights" messages appear?

-- David

The Message Boards page shows you the forum
for your team (if you belong to one, and it has one).

I'll add a "Forum home" link for Team message boards soon.

The bugs in creating the forum are now fixed.

-- David

David Anderson to John.McLeod, boinc_alpha
show details Nov 16 (5 days ago) Reply



Team admins can moderate the team message board.

Project moderators cannot.

-- David

David Anderson to John.McLeod, boinc_alpha
show details Nov 16 (5 days ago) Reply



Let's cross this bridge when we come to it;
it's easy to give project moderators control over team forums,
but I'm not sure it's the right policy.

My first thought is: the moderation policy on a team forum
should be determined by the team.
If their forum is filled with garbage,
people won't join the team.

-- David

1) It can be disabled by deleting team_forum.php;
I'll tell projects.
2) the forum can now be deleted
3) the forum disappears
-- David

I added the ability to edit title and description.
-- David

I'm not sure what the question is.
The foundership-transfer mechanisms are not affected
by the new features.

-- David

Team message boards are publicly readable.
That's on purpose.

-- DPA

David Anderson to maureen, boinc_alpha, setimods
show details Nov 17 (3 days ago) Reply



1: I don't think this matters
2: good idea; I made project admins (not moderators)
able to moderate team forums
3: could be added, but probably not needed.
A team's forum is invisible unless you belong to the team,
or look at the team page.

Maybe we should have "red X" notifications for team forum posts
go to both the team founder AND the project admins.
Should I do this?

The "Advanced search" form lets the project admins
(or anyone else) see all the posts (including team forums)
in the last 1/3/7/15/30 days.
This would let projects review all posts if they want.
-- David


Note: I also see where a user can't post to team fora if they are banned from the project.

happy reading.
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Message 681757 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:42:47 UTC

Nothing shows up for me, I am a member of MacNN and the founder for Macfora.

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Message 681763 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:47:26 UTC - in response to Message 681757.  
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Nothing shows up for me, I am a member of MacNN and the founder for Macfora.

Perhaps Hamm hasn't created it? See first paragraph of last post:
I added a new feature that lets a team founder create
a dedicated message board for the team.
Only team members can post to this, but anyone can read it.
Team admins have moderator rights.


perhaps it shows up for me because Zain Upton (boinc synergy founder) did so????? I don't know. In my first post, I "assumed" it was automatically applied and was just wrong??? Wouldn't be the first time
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Message 681764 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:50:30 UTC

Most likely as I just created the forum for Macfora. Of course I cannot see it as I am not a member of that team.

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Message 681768 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 681764.  
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Most likely as I just created the forum for Macfora. Of course I cannot see it as I am not a member of that team.

Hmmm, maybe a bug that needs squashing. Let me see if I got this right.

You are the founder of "macfora", but belong to "team macnn", so you can't read/moderate your own team??? If you don't mind, I'll pass this on to Dr Anderson??
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Message 681772 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:54:36 UTC - in response to Message 681768.  

Most likely as I just created the forum for Macfora. Of course I cannot see it as I am not a member of that team.

Hmmm, maybe a bug that needs squashing. Let me see if I got this right.

You are the founder of "macfora", but belong to "team macnn", so you can't read/moderate your own team??? If you don't mind, I'll pass this on to Dr Anderson??


Go right ahead.

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Message 681775 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 1:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 681772.  
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Go right ahead.

I just reported it, explained the situation, and gave a link to your previous post. here's the contents:

At Seti, user "crispin" is the founder of "Macfora", but is currently a member of "team macnn", he has enabled his teams fora, but since he's a member of "team macnn", he can't view or moderate his teams fora. Is this a bug, or unforeseen circumstance? Is there a way to fix it?

Here's his post
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=43694&nowrap=true#681772
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Message 681787 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 2:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 681775.  
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Go right ahead.

I just reported it, explained the situation, and gave a link to your previous post. here's the contents:

At Seti, user "crispin" is the founder of "Macfora", but is currently a member of "team macnn", he has enabled his teams fora, but since he's a member of "team macnn", he can't view or moderate his teams fora. Is this a bug, or unforeseen circumstance? Is there a way to fix it?

Here's his post
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=43694&nowrap=true#681772

@ Astro: Nice idea, But I had to find the area that You mentioned originally as You don't have the link going to the right place. In any case I don't think I'll be making a PC Perspectives Killer Frogs thread as the Frogs have the Boinc Bar and most don't come here, Some do but possibly not as much as I do currently, If I'm wrong ok, But I haven't seen any Frogs posting lately around here. And the Wise One would be the Moderator as He's the Team founder and He's also the Forum Admin over at PC Perspectives so unless someone knows for sure, I don't know If the Wise One would have the time or not, Me I'm just a user over there and here too so I'm out too I'd think, Although when news of Mondays outage was declared I did pass the word to the Boinc Bar.
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Message 681788 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 2:13:59 UTC - in response to Message 681763.  

Nothing shows up for me, I am a member of MacNN and the founder for Macfora.

Perhaps Hamm hasn't created it? See first paragraph of last post:
I added a new feature that lets a team founder create
a dedicated message board for the team.
Only team members can post to this, but anyone can read it.
Team admins have moderator rights.




So if our team founder isn't around any more and there are no admins, no forum for us?

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Message 681798 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 2:20:17 UTC - in response to Message 681788.  

So if our team founder isn't around any more and there are no admins, no forum for us?

-Dave

Seems so, ATM anyway. As far as I can tell, the founder has to enable the fora (as shown earlier by Crispin), and since he and project admin are the only moderators (AFAIK currently), it would lead to a "free for all zone" with no moderation (If you consider that a bad thing)
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Message 681806 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 2:38:21 UTC

I did access the Macfora message board from the team page, but of course it does not show up on the main page.

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Message 681811 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 2:44:17 UTC - in response to Message 681806.  

I did access the Macfora message board from the team page, but of course it does not show up on the main page.

OK, you can then moderate your team. The only issue is that only your current team shows up on the fora index (if the founder created one). I'll update my post to Boinc Alpha. Basically, it seems like you want two listings in the fora, one for the one you founded and one for the team your on.
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Message 681830 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 3:15:33 UTC - in response to Message 681788.  

So if our team founder isn't around any more and there are no admins, no forum for us?

A team member can put in a request to replace the founder, but it takes a few weeks to go through, while a formal attempt is made to contact the founder and a reply awaited. That’s the theory, anyway … some glitches in the process have been reported here or in the Q&A forum, but also some successes IIRC. There should be a link to the appropriate form on your team page.


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Message 681831 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 3:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 681830.  

So if our team founder isn't around any more and there are no admins, no forum for us?

A team member can put in a request to replace the founder, but it takes a few weeks to go through, while a formal attempt is made to contact the founder and a reply awaited. That’s the theory, anyway … some glitches in the process have been reported here or in the Q&A forum, but also some successes IIRC. There should be a link to the appropriate form on your team page.



Yeah, I read about the glitches. Not sure I want to replace the founder of my team myself, though...

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Message 681838 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 3:36:07 UTC

Crispin, it's not the answer that I suspect you wanted, but here you go:

David Anderson to me, BOINC
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This is how it's supposed to work.
The forum index shows the team you're a member of.
People who have founded multiple teams can moderate them,
but it takes a few more clicks to get to them.
-- David
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Message 681842 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 3:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 681838.  

Crispin, it's not the answer that I suspect you wanted, but here you go:

David Anderson to me, BOINC
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This is how it's supposed to work.
The forum index shows the team you're a member of.
People who have founded multiple teams can moderate them,
but it takes a few more clicks to get to them.
-- David


I kind of figured that when I was able to see it in the team page.

Of course it looks like MacNN will not have forum here do to the founder no longer being active.

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Message 681884 - Posted: 21 Nov 2007, 4:38:19 UTC - in response to Message 681830.  

A team member can put in a request to replace the founder, but it takes a few weeks to go through...

2 months actually.
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