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Message 675203 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 11:35:32 UTC

What I don't understand is why some of you who are so opposed to 'illegal aliens' are involved in a project searching for extra terrestrial intelligence/aliens.

I wonder how welcoming you would be if we found any.
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Message 675205 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 11:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 675203.  

What I don't understand is why some of you who are so opposed to 'illegal aliens' are involved in a project searching for extra terrestrial intelligence/aliens.

I wonder how welcoming you would be if we found any.

It would all depend if they had oil or not.
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Message 675212 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 675165.  

One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

The last time when such ideas were openly discussed, there was a Fuhrer, and people greeted each other with "Heil H.!"
Are you one of the New Nazis? (Just a question)

Watched Schindler's List lately? I support deportation, not genocide.

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Message 675217 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:07:47 UTC - in response to Message 675212.  

One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

The last time when such ideas were openly discussed, there was a Fuhrer, and people greeted each other with "Heil H.!"
Are you one of the New Nazis? (Just a question)

Watched Schindler's List lately? I support deportation, not genocide.

The Nazi's sterilized those groups of society they considered undesirable...Jews, gipsies and the disabled to name a few.
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Message 675224 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:15:26 UTC - in response to Message 675217.  

One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

The last time when such ideas were openly discussed, there was a Fuhrer, and people greeted each other with "Heil H.!"
Are you one of the New Nazis? (Just a question)

Watched Schindler's List lately? I support deportation, not genocide.

The Nazi's sterilized those groups of society they considered undesirable...Jews, gipsies and the disabled to name a few.

And for the sake of this discussion.....
I wish to completely distance myself from any reference to that. I want them removed from this country if they are here illegally. I do not debate their right to exist, they are human beings. They just do not have the right to cross the border into this country illegally.

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Message 675239 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:31:58 UTC - in response to Message 675153.  

I'll stop blaming criminals for their activities when I start blaming dirt for growing pot and guns for committing murder...

Congratulations, this is the first time you've actually made any sense... Unfortunately, your analogies aren't applicable because there are no inanimate objects within the immigration dilemma, just people... ;)

(Better luck next time.)


Right, people who KNOW the difference between right and wrong and CHOOSE to break the law anyway just like the cultivator and murderer.


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Message 675240 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 675203.  

What I don't understand is why some of you who are so opposed to 'illegal aliens' are involved in a project searching for extra terrestrial intelligence/aliens.

I wonder how welcoming you would be if we found any.


Depends on if they are visiting or taking jobs from American citizens, stealing the benefits my tax dollars afford, and baring their litter on American soil.



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Message 675259 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 12:58:34 UTC

Never read so much nationalist crap like here on boards with rather international users.

Your big companies are allowed to spoil economies all over the world, your army is allowed to invade other countries - and poor people of other countries should be not allowed to work where jobs are offered?
Okay, if I were in charge, I would convince all employers 1) to pay no less than standard wages, and 2) to prefer local workers when employing.
But I also would barely punish the people who search a job to survive, I rather would punish those hard instead who prefer foreign workers to local workers when offering jobs & paying them substandard wages for their hard work.

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Message 675474 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 20:59:58 UTC - in response to Message 675224.  

One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

The last time when such ideas were openly discussed, there was a Fuhrer, and people greeted each other with "Heil H.!"
Are you one of the New Nazis? (Just a question)

Watched Schindler's List lately? I support deportation, not genocide.

The Nazi's sterilized those groups of society they considered undesirable...Jews, gipsies and the disabled to name a few.

And for the sake of this discussion.....
I wish to completely distance myself from any reference to that. I want them removed from this country if they are here illegally. I do not debate their right to exist, they are human beings. They just do not have the right to cross the border into this country illegally.


It is one thing to advocate deporting those you many think are undesirable, it is quite another to suggest the sterilisation of those undesirables. It is quite correct to make the link between sterilisation, eugenics and the subsequent take up of this ideology by Hitler and Mengele.

Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race
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Message 675496 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 21:20:26 UTC - in response to Message 674728.  
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One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

You appear to have some serious issues that even transcends a bad joke.

Get help.
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Message 675498 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 21:24:55 UTC - in response to Message 675474.  
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War Against The Weak

Actually, it's a 'War Against The Meek'... ;)

(To be even more specific, it's a war against those of the Abrahamic faiths, 'neutrals' included. As predicted.)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 675548 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 22:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 675544.  
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I suspect my home town of the past 8 years (New York City) would grind to a halt if all the undocumented aliens were removed. Providing they're contributing to society I'm not sure I have an issue.


Well I have an issue. When I read in the papers that eastern european immmigrants are slaughtering our swans on the rivers throughout England, to cook and eat them, because that's what their culture is, I am bloody angry.

It is against the law for a start, they are owned by the Queen for gods sake. If we had a government worthy of the name, we'd kick all the bastards out.

Maybe they don't know that the swans are owned by the Queen, else they would choose ducks or other birds to prepare and eat them? By the way: in former times, pigeons were treated as a delicacy - and I have heard there are a lot of them in big cities ;)
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Message 675637 - Posted: 10 Nov 2007, 23:58:51 UTC - in response to Message 675544.  
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swans on the rivers [snip] are owned by the Queen for gods sake.

I wonder if God would agree... ;)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 675675 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 0:30:20 UTC

I was having a few cocktails last night with friends and one of the topics my pal brought up was borders.
He had an interesting slant on the entire concept of national boundaries in that they were arbitrary lines drawn on maps by Europeans to divide their colonial empires.

The conversation also went on to the actions being taken recently by the international investor class.

Doesn't it seem strange to everyone that governments are enforcing, with ever increasing hysteria, national borders while at the same time lecturing the working class about the need to eliminate borders when it comes to economics?

What purpose is being served by enforcing the borders in the case of human mobility while removing restrictions on the movement of capital?

If one follows this to the obvious conclusion, we find that it appears that the investor class, or capitalists, seem to be creating a situation where humans are trapped in regions of low wage earnings and capital is free to move into that same region to exploit the wage situation.

I believe the uproar over illegal immigrants is not the real story, rather, it's a means of gathering support from the masses in containing people inside the low wages regions created by the capitalists.

Stronger enforcement of borders is simply a means of reducing mobility from within created zones of impoverishment.

I would argue that everyone shouldn't get angry at those trying to escape poverty but focus your attention and anger on those creating it.
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Message 675899 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 11:34:02 UTC

Poverty isn't "created" Frenchie, it's the result of those unwilling to do what it takes to get ahead in life...like LEGALLY immigrating to another country in search of jobs.


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Message 675902 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 11:37:53 UTC - in response to Message 675548.  

I suspect my home town of the past 8 years (New York City) would grind to a halt if all the undocumented aliens were removed. Providing they're contributing to society I'm not sure I have an issue.


Well I have an issue. When I read in the papers that eastern european immmigrants are slaughtering our swans on the rivers throughout England, to cook and eat them, because that's what their culture is, I am bloody angry.

It is against the law for a start, they are owned by the Queen for gods sake. If we had a government worthy of the name, we'd kick all the bastards out.

Maybe they don't know that the swans are owned by the Queen, else they would choose ducks or other birds to prepare and eat them? By the way: in former times, pigeons were treated as a delicacy - and I have heard there are a lot of them in big cities ;)


If someone murders your entire family, will you defend their actions with "maybe they didn't know any better" or will you just go ahead and admit your hypocrisy and nonchalant attitude towards the laws outside of your homeland?


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Message 675905 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 11:45:54 UTC - in response to Message 675259.  

Never read so much nationalist crap like here on boards with rather international users.

As my Auntie used to say (ten years ago): 'People have no couth'... ;)

(I couldn't agree more, there are too many uncouth people in this world!)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 675982 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 14:32:58 UTC - in response to Message 675905.  

Never read so much nationalist crap like here on boards with rather international users.

As my Auntie used to say (ten years ago): 'People have no couth'... ;)

(I couldn't agree more, there are too many uncouth people in this world!)


Liberal, unemployed, auntie, no respect for the law.

Now I know what your problem is...


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Message 676105 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 20:11:29 UTC - in response to Message 675496.  

One way to punish illegal immigrants is to sterilize them (except the ones who don't have any children anywhere), even if they are to be deported. In general they have too many children and have them at too young an age.

You appear to have some serious issues that even transcends a bad joke.

Get help.


You're the one who needs help. Everybody knows that people who have too many children are offending the ones who don't have so many or have none.

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Message 676116 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 20:44:41 UTC - in response to Message 675259.  
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Never read so much nationalist crap like here on boards with rather international users.

Your big companies are allowed to spoil economies all over the world, your army is allowed to invade other countries - and poor people of other countries should be not allowed to work where jobs are offered?
Okay, if I were in charge, I would convince all employers 1) to pay no less than standard wages, and 2) to prefer local workers when employing.

OK, what happens when you cannot convince them of either? I mean, you cannot convince me of that, ever, unless you pay the difference yourself. What will you do when they simply ignore you because they couldn't care less what you think?

1) I will never pay anymore than what the market will bear, and if the person in front of me is poor at bargaining, they will make less than they would have. If they are good, they will make more. 2) I won't place any importance whatsoever on the geography of the workers, I will only hire those that can do the best job for me at the price the job is worth, no matter where they are.

But I also would barely punish the people who search a job to survive, I rather would punish those hard instead who prefer foreign workers to local workers when offering jobs & paying them substandard wages for their hard work.

Yep, Thorin is going to deal out the punishment. And that, once again, is why you are going to have to build a wall. Because as soon as you do, they will leave and come to where I am, where I will reward them for the behavior that you will punish.

Better build that wall high. Oh, and point the machine guns inward.
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