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Message 664443 - Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 15:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 664037.  


Well, I can try my best to practice it :D
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Message 666676 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 1:56:14 UTC

Those of the world would have a Christ to excuse them to live in their passions and pleasures, at no cost.

Those committed to truth would have a Christ to change them to live pleasing to God, whatever the price.

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Message 666700 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 2:29:55 UTC - in response to Message 666676.  

Those of the world would have a Christ to excuse them to live in their passions and pleasures, at no cost.
Those committed to truth would have a Christ to change them to live pleasing to God, whatever the price.

No truer words were ever spoken by an ant. ;)

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Message 667817 - Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 21:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 667768.  

Vatican lifts a 700-year-old bum rap

Papal infallacy... lol :/


That's why religion is listed here under POLITICS...


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Message 669259 - Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 2:43:33 UTC

There IS a GOD! 'As has been demonstrated countless times'... ;)
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Message 669282 - Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 4:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 669259.  
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There IS a GOD! 'As has been demonstrated countless times'... ;)

God is like UFO's, many people believe but only have fuzzy pictures at best...

...and the crying Jesus in the freezer doesn't count.
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Message 669331 - Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 6:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 669282.  

God is like UFO's, many people believe but only have fuzzy pictures at best...

GOD comes with an instruction manual... Have you acquired a UFO instruction manual? ;)

(There IS a GOD! 'As has been demonstrated countless times'.)
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Message 669393 - Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 9:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 669331.  
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God is like UFO's, many people believe but only have fuzzy pictures at best...

GOD comes with an instruction manual... Have you acquired a UFO instruction manual? ;)

(There IS a GOD! 'As has been demonstrated countless times'.)

Yes, as a matter of fact I have, and it's about as good as the manual that came with my first computer....

...come to think of it, it was strikingly similar to the Book of Revelations.
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Message 669584 - Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 20:06:23 UTC - in response to Message 669393.  

it was strikingly similar to the Book of Revelations.

The bulk of your tiny UFO manual is strikingly similar to the relatively small and slightly unclear prophetic part of GODs gigantic and very detailed manual? If I were you, which I'm glad that I'm not, I would request a refund... ;)

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Message 669831 - Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 4:34:41 UTC

After Ten Years, States Still Resist Assisted Suicide

By Thomas Bowden

This month marks the tenth anniversary of Oregon’s pathbreaking assisted suicide law. But despite legislative proposals in California and elsewhere, Oregon remains the only state to have provided clear procedures by which doctors can help end their dying patients' pain and suffering while protecting themselves from criminal prosecution.

For a decade now, Oregon doctors have been permitted to prescribe a lethal dose of drugs to a mentally competent, terminally ill patient who makes written and oral requests, consults two physicians, and endures a mandatory waiting period. The patient's free choice is paramount throughout this process. Neither relatives nor doctors can apply on the patient's behalf, and the patient himself administers the lethal dose.

Elsewhere in America, however, the political influence of religious conservatism has thwarted passage of similar legislation, leaving terminal patients with nothing but a macabre menu of frightening, painful, and often violent end-of-life techniques universally regarded as too inhumane for use on sick dogs or mass murderers.

Consider Percy Bridgman, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist who, at 79, was entering the final stages of terminal cancer. Wracked with pain and bereft of hope, he got a gun and somehow found courage to pull the trigger, knowing he was condemning others to the agony of discovering his bloody remains. His final note said simply: "It is not decent for society to make a man do this to himself. Probably this is the last day I will be able to do it myself."

What lawmakers must grasp is that there is no rational basis upon which the government can properly prevent any individual from choosing to end his own life. When religious conservatives enact laws to enforce the idea that their God abhors suicide, they threaten the central principle on which America was founded.

The Declaration of Independence proclaimed, for the first time in the history of nations, that each person exists as an end in himself. This basic truth--which finds political expression in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--means, in practical terms, that you need no one's permission to live, and that no one may forcibly obstruct your efforts to achieve your own personal happiness.

But what if happiness becomes impossible to attain? What if a dread disease, or some other calamity, drains all joy from life, leaving only misery and suffering? The right to life includes and implies the right to commit suicide. To hold otherwise--to declare that society must give you permission to kill yourself--is to contradict the right to life at its root. If you have a duty to go on living, despite your better judgment, then your life does not belong to you, and you exist by permission, not by right.

For these reasons, each individual has the right to decide the hour of his death and to implement that solemn decision as best he can. The choice is his because the life is his. And if a doctor is willing (not forced) to assist in the suicide, based on an objective assessment of his patient's mental and physical state, the law should not stand in his way.

Religious conservatives' opposition to the Oregon approach stems from the belief that human life is a gift from the Lord, who puts us here on earth to carry out His will. Thus, the very idea of suicide is anathema, because one who "plays God" by causing his own death, or assisting in the death of another, insults his Maker and invites eternal damnation, not to mention divine retribution against the decadent society that permits such sinful behavior.

If a religious conservative contracts a terminal disease, he has a legal right to regard his own God's will as paramount, and to instruct his doctor to stand by and let him suffer, just as long as his body and mind can endure the agony, until the last bitter paroxysm carries him to the grave. But conservatives have no right to force such mindless, medieval misery upon doctors and patients who refuse to regard their precious lives as playthings of a cruel God.

Rational state legislators should regard the Oregon law’s anniversary as a stinging reminder that 49 of the 50 states have failed to take meaningful steps toward recognizing and protecting an individual's unconditional right to commit suicide.

Mr. Bowden is an analyst focusing on legal issues at the Ayn Rand Institute and is the author of The Enemies of Christopher Columbus. A former attorney and law school instructor who practiced for twenty years in Baltimore, Maryland, his Op-Eds have appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Miami Herald, Los Angeles Daily News, and many other newspapers. Mr. Bowden has given dozens of radio interviews and has appeared on the Fox News Channel's Hannity & Colmes.

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Message 670164 - Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 22:06:03 UTC - in response to Message 670155.  
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Although the church says there is a supreme being, its practices do not include worshipping God. [snip]
He believes it is easier to understand and clearer to follow than ancient Scriptures taken from the Bible.

Matthew 15:7-9
You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
`This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'

Seems clear to me... ;)
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Message 671499 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 7:13:05 UTC

Imagery shocks visitors at church haunted house

By Alex Roth and Sherry Saavedra
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November 2, 2007

MIRA MESA – They expected to see the kind of stuff normally associated with a haunted house: skeletons, ghosts, chain saw-wielding zombies, that kind of thing.

Instead, some teenagers said the images inside the building on Carroll Road in Mira Mesa gave them the shock of their lives: a video of aborted fetuses, an image of a bloody Jesus on a cross, a scene in which an actor portrays a suicidal man clutching a shotgun as the devil urges him to kill himself.

“Then they had (the teenagers) pray and wash their sins,” said Ananda Brisco of Scripps Ranch, whose 14-year-old son went into the building with three of his friends expecting to enjoy a typical Halloween scare.

“We were shocked. . . . I had other people's children with me, and I subjected them to this without their parents' permission. We just thought this was going to be a regular haunted house.”

The haunted house – admission was free and a sign outside advertised “Blood Rain” – turned out to be a production of The Potter's House, an international church that has made news over the years for its graphic, religious-themed Halloween events around the country.

The pastor of the church's San Diego branch, Joe Rice, said the production was meant to “present the gospel of Jesus Christ in a venue other than a church service.” The haunted house was intended as a commentary on the evils of abortion, pornography and school violence, Rice said.

He noted that the free tickets – which were handed out at movie theaters, stores and other public places – warned of graphic content, as did signs in front. Nobody younger than 13 was allowed in.

“Some people will say it's false advertising,” Rice said. “I don't think so because to me it is a haunted house. Freddy Krueger isn't going to walk in with an ax. But that's fairy tale. This is more real. This is a real haunted house to me.”

Still, Brisco and others complained that the true nature of the production wasn't made clear in advance.

“I did not expect that,” said Eunice Apon, 17, a senior at Scripps Ranch High School, adding that she probably wouldn't have gone in had she known what was inside.

“There's one point where this guy looking at porn goes to hell, and I don't believe people who look at porn should go to hell.”

The San Diego church has been putting on these Halloween productions for more than 15 years, Rice said. Attorney Guylyn Cummins, a lawyer who specializes in First Amendment issues, said the church's actions are almost certainly protected by the constitutional right to freedom of speech.

“People clearly might have been misled by it, but is it actionable? I doubt it,” Cummins said.

Some people enjoyed the haunted house, even though it wasn't what they expected.

“I thought it would be people popping out and chain saws,” said Jessie Sanders, 17, of Mira Mesa.

But he wasn't disappointed.

“It's a strong image,” Jessie said. “I liked it.”
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MIRA MESA – They expected to see the kind of stuff normally associated with a haunted house: skeletons, ghosts, chain saw-wielding zombies, that kind of thing.

Instead, some teenagers said the images inside the building on Carroll Road in Mira Mesa gave them the shock of their lives: a video of aborted fetuses, an image of a bloody Jesus on a cross, a scene in which an actor portrays a suicidal man clutching a shotgun as the devil urges him to kill himself.

“Then they had (the teenagers) pray and wash their sins,” said Ananda Brisco of Scripps Ranch, whose 14-year-old son went into the building with three of his friends expecting to enjoy a typical Halloween scare.


That's just wrong.
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MIRA MESA – They expected to see the kind of stuff normally associated with a haunted house: skeletons, ghosts, chain saw-wielding zombies, that kind of thing.

Instead, some teenagers said the images inside the building on Carroll Road in Mira Mesa gave them the shock of their lives: a video of aborted fetuses, an image of a bloody Jesus on a cross, a scene in which an actor portrays a suicidal man clutching a shotgun as the devil urges him to kill himself.

“Then they had (the teenagers) pray and wash their sins,” said Ananda Brisco of Scripps Ranch, whose 14-year-old son went into the building with three of his friends expecting to enjoy a typical Halloween scare.


That's just wrong.

I have to agree because those topics are better left to mature adults. Childrens festivals should not be used to promote adult agendas.

Would such imagery even be allowed here; probably not.
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Message 672192 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 20:15:37 UTC

I believe there could be a creator of the universe.
I can't believe that there's an invisible man in the sky watching everything we do.

Have any of you seen Zeitgeist-the movie, it's in three parts.

The first shows the roots of biblical stories and how earlier myths were included in the Bible as facts.

The second is concerned with the 911 conspiracy stories.

The third is international economics and how the economy is manipulated by a few powerful interests.

If I remember correctly, it's about 2 hrs in length.

zeitgeistmovie.com/ no link so I don't anger some, but you can google it.

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Message 672321 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 23:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 658224.  

...and then man invented the can of Raid.

. . . and behold, the skies darkened, the heavens opened up, and fire rained down upon the whole earth; and out of its midst, came the unstoppable fire-ant... ;)

...to which man responded by creating pest control businesses.

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