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Message 644993 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 18:14:15 UTC

I post this thread because I can't not find an answer anywhere to my problem. Over the past 6 months, I have received many automated SETI@home emails stated that a group member of my team wants to retain ownership. I wish to deny this request due to the fact I established this team in 1999 and as of today still crushing SETI units.

Here is the email I received:
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Team member Jake has asked that you
transfer foundership of U.S. Marine Corps in SETI@home.
Please visit
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu//team_change_founder_form.php?teamid=110064
to transfer foundersnip or decline user's request.

If you do not respond to this request within two months, Jake will
be given the option to become the team founder.

Please do not respond to this email.
The mailbox is not monitored and the email
was sent using an automated system.
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When I click on the link to deny the user's request, I go straight to a page where I HAVE TO CHOOSE a new founder and not giving the option to deny. Why can't I deny the request? I have 2 months to find out or I lose my ownership of the team I created 8 years ago.

Sincerely,
Josh.

PS: I posted this same message under team recruitment, which I believe is the wrong topic for my problem. sorry.
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Message 645258 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 23:20:14 UTC

Well, I did some more digging on why I can't deny my team transfer. This is what I came up with:

1) I found a log that shows SETI@home progress/work (or a passdown log, where each programmer communicates after changing shifts so that they don't run circles around each other.) Scroll down to 27 Oct 2006 and read what Rytis wrote:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/boinc/checkin_notes?rev=1.4384;content-type=text%2Fplain

2) I experimented with the links. The link I was getting in my email was the following:
http://seti.........team_change_founder_form.php?teamid=110064
This link bypassed my attempt to deny the request to hand over my ownership.

3) So I tried replacing team_change_founder_form.php to:
http://seti.....team_change_founder_action.php. This took me to a page that stated: "Unable to handle request" with this error: "missing or bad parameter: action". I also tried the (new) link:
http://seti.....team_founder_transfer_action.php

That resulted in the same "Unable to handle request" page. I think this is a problem that's out of my hands. Hopefully the staff at SETI will fix this situation soon. I have 1 month and 29 days left before I lose my foundership of my team:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=110064

Is there anybody else out there having a similar problem?
Sincerely,
Josh


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Message 645270 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 23:40:13 UTC - in response to Message 645258.  

Well, I did some more digging on why I can't deny my team transfer. This is what I came up with:

1) I found a log that shows SETI@home progress/work (or a passdown log, where each programmer communicates after changing shifts so that they don't run circles around each other.) Scroll down to 27 Oct 2006 and read what Rytis wrote:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/boinc/checkin_notes?rev=1.4384;content-type=text%2Fplain

2) I experimented with the links. The link I was getting in my email was the following:
http://seti.........team_change_founder_form.php?teamid=110064
This link bypassed my attempt to deny the request to hand over my ownership.

3) So I tried replacing team_change_founder_form.php to:
http://seti.....team_change_founder_action.php. This took me to a page that stated: "Unable to handle request" with this error: "missing or bad parameter: action". I also tried the (new) link:
http://seti.....team_founder_transfer_action.php

That resulted in the same "Unable to handle request" page. I think this is a problem that's out of my hands. Hopefully the staff at SETI will fix this situation soon. I have 1 month and 29 days left before I lose my foundership of my team:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=110064

Is there anybody else out there having a similar problem?
Sincerely,
Josh



There was a somewhat similar problem on reported on CPDN back in August. This is what one of the mod's there came back with:

It looks like there's a bug somewhere in the BOINC code that hasn't set the database entry relating to team founder changes correctly. Presumably this means that there's no danger of the founder entry changing if you don't reply, but I'm checking up on this.

That case was eventually confirmed as not requiring any action but I would keep pushing the SETI team for a reply were I in your shoes.

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Message 645271 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 23:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 645258.  

Well, I did some more digging on why I can't deny my team transfer. This is what I came up with:

1) I found a log that shows SETI@home progress/work (or a passdown log, where each programmer communicates after changing shifts so that they don't run circles around each other.) Scroll down to 27 Oct 2006 and read what Rytis wrote:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/boinc/checkin_notes?rev=1.4384;content-type=text%2Fplain

2) I experimented with the links. The link I was getting in my email was the following:
http://seti.........team_change_founder_form.php?teamid=110064
This link bypassed my attempt to deny the request to hand over my ownership.

3) So I tried replacing team_change_founder_form.php to:
http://seti.....team_change_founder_action.php. This took me to a page that stated: "Unable to handle request" with this error: "missing or bad parameter: action". I also tried the (new) link:
http://seti.....team_founder_transfer_action.php

That resulted in the same "Unable to handle request" page. I think this is a problem that's out of my hands. Hopefully the staff at SETI will fix this situation soon. I have 1 month and 29 days left before I lose my foundership of my team:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=110064

Is there anybody else out there having a similar problem?
Sincerely,
Josh



There was a similar problem noted over at climate prediction.

Check this thread : http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=5693



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Message 645276 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 23:47:49 UTC - in response to Message 645271.  

Thanks for the reply and useful information.

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Message 645338 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 0:59:50 UTC

Can one of the mods pleas have the admins read this thread and advise?
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Message 645478 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 4:58:12 UTC - in response to Message 645338.  

I would also PM the person that asked for the transfer, if possible, and politely query why they have requested it.

It may have been accidental - I think it's a bit too easy to just click away sometimes and the next thing you know, there's no "confirm" page or something and the request has gone through (it's been a while since I've tried it, but I think it's a bit easier than it should be).

Really you should only be able to request a change via the web form if the founder has RAC <5 or something, otherwise contact an admin IMHO.
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Message 645687 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 12:47:26 UTC

My team's founder left the building years ago. I initiated a "team founder transfer request" several months ago. Nothing happened, and I'm certain that the request was not responded to by the original team founder (whose total contribution to S@H has been to crunch 45 Classic WUs back in 1999). Therefore, it seems to me as if it is virtually impossible to obtain a successful team founder transfer.
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Message 645706 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 13:32:04 UTC - in response to Message 645687.  

Well, I wish the staff at SETI would not include the message (after 2 months with no reply, the member requesting the transfer would be giving the option to take over the team foundership) in their email if it doesn't work.

About the PM to the other member, I looked all through the 200 members of my team and found no "Jake" who requested the transfer.

In the end, I hope SETI puts together a better way of doing this process.

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Message 645857 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 17:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 645706.  

Well, I wish the staff at SETI would not include the message (after 2 months with no reply, the member requesting the transfer would be giving the option to take over the team foundership) in their email if it doesn't work.

About the PM to the other member, I looked all through the 200 members of my team and found no "Jake" who requested the transfer.

In the end, I hope SETI puts together a better way of doing this process.

Your question/comment should be directed to the BOINC developers, not the SETI staff.

The best SETI can do is refer it to the BOINC developers.

There is a little overlap, and someone from BOINC may notice your comments here, but it isn't the same as a direct report to the responsible group.
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Message 647888 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 13:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 645857.  

What is the best way to inform BOINC developers of this situation? I still can't find a contact list.
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Message 647912 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 13:42:44 UTC - in response to Message 647888.  
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What is the best way to inform BOINC developers of this situation? I still can't find a contact list.

Make a Trac Ticket might be the best way ? ( or better yet, add to, or reopen an existing relevant one .. if there is one .. which there might be ... ) I have done this a total of 1 time (added info to a ticket) so I am not quite sure how I went about it.
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Message 648021 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 17:45:44 UTC - in response to Message 645706.  
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About the PM to the other member, I looked all through the 200 members of my team and found no "Jake" who requested the transfer.


You may of have someone temporarily join your team, then send the transfer requset and afterwards drop from the team.

The trac, 13181, seems to address this issue.

I played around with this, and post my results on the BOINC forums: Person requesting Founder Transfer leaves team


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Message 648028 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 17:57:45 UTC - in response to Message 647912.  

What is the best way to inform BOINC developers of this situation? I still can't find a contact list.

Make a Trac Ticket might be the best way ? ( or better yet, add to, or reopen an existing relevant one .. if there is one .. which there might be ... ) I have done this a total of 1 time (added info to a ticket) so I am not quite sure how I went about it.

It was my ticket [trac]#366[/trac] that you added to (still no response/action, BTW). You needed to register for the trac system, and login, before you could even add a comment: but once you've registered, there's no other requirment before you can make a new ticket.

It's officially the correct route, but as Jason and I have found, just opening a ticket doesn't generate much action. If you feel that it's important, it's probably best to attract the attention of one of the BOINC forum moderators (Jord - 'Ageless' or Kathryn), and ask them to consider if it's urgent enough to warrant bumping it straight to the relevant developer.
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Message 649011 - Posted: 26 Sep 2007, 14:26:19 UTC - in response to Message 648021.  


About the PM to the other member, I looked all through the 200 members of my team and found no "Jake" who requested the transfer.


You may of have someone temporarily join your team, then send the transfer requset and afterwards drop from the team.

The trac, 13181, seems to address this issue.

I played around with this, and post my results on the BOINC forums: Person requesting Founder Transfer leaves team



After reading your test results, I'm unclear on something. Basically, you are saying that somebody joined my team, requested a team transfer, then quit the team. This resulted in my problem to deny the request for transfer?
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Message 649020 - Posted: 26 Sep 2007, 15:05:09 UTC

Basicly, yes.

Although they did not neccessarily have to be a new join. It could of been an existing team member who sent the transfer request, and then left afterwards.

As far as I can tell, once the person who requested the transfer left the team the transfer is nullified; so it will not happen. Since the linking person has been removed, there is no where for the transfer to go.


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Message 649890 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 23:23:27 UTC - in response to Message 649020.  

Basicly, yes.

Although they did not neccessarily have to be a new join. It could of been an existing team member who sent the transfer request, and then left afterwards.

As far as I can tell, once the person who requested the transfer left the team the transfer is nullified; so it will not happen. Since the linking person has been removed, there is no where for the transfer to go.

I received a notice this afternoon that the source code has been fixed to avoid this annoyance. I don't know what the fix was, nor do I know when S@H will apply the fix.


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Message 652886 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 16:13:02 UTC - in response to Message 649020.  

Basicly, yes.

Although they did not neccessarily have to be a new join. It could of been an existing team member who sent the transfer request, and then left afterwards.

As far as I can tell, once the person who requested the transfer left the team the transfer is nullified; so it will not happen. Since the linking person has been removed, there is no where for the transfer to go.



I went under team management and viewed the log file and the member requesting team ownership was part of my team from 20 Sep 2007 11:04:02 UTC to 20 Sep 2007 11:04:37 UTC.

There's no telling how many teams he did this to.

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Message 652887 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 16:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 649890.  

Basicly, yes.

Although they did not neccessarily have to be a new join. It could of been an existing team member who sent the transfer request, and then left afterwards.

As far as I can tell, once the person who requested the transfer left the team the transfer is nullified; so it will not happen. Since the linking person has been removed, there is no where for the transfer to go.

I received a notice this afternoon that the source code has been fixed to avoid this annoyance. I don't know what the fix was, nor do I know when S@H will apply the fix.




That's good to hear. If anybody gets an update, please post.
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Message 653030 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 23:10:14 UTC - in response to Message 652886.  

Basicly, yes.

Although they did not neccessarily have to be a new join. It could of been an existing team member who sent the transfer request, and then left afterwards.

As far as I can tell, once the person who requested the transfer left the team the transfer is nullified; so it will not happen. Since the linking person has been removed, there is no where for the transfer to go.



I went under team management and viewed the log file and the member requesting team ownership was part of my team from 20 Sep 2007 11:04:02 UTC to 20 Sep 2007 11:04:37 UTC.

There's no telling how many teams he did this to.

Hmm. I wonder if he was trying to see if he could take over a team - any team.


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