One idea for funding, there are web sides which have a "slide in" advertising, always coming on opening the side. Is it allowed for S@H to do this? No idea, if it would be big money, but it would be some. I once saw a web side with this, which also had an indicator how much of the expense of running the side came from this. And the statement "Please wait 10 seconds(or something like this) before closing, otherwise we don't get money." After that, the indicator raised from below 10% within a few days to something like 50%. So, it may not be big money, but something to calculate with.

Happy crunching, Christoph

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Christoph

I tried to defend Arecibo against termination in an Einstein@home message board and was violently contrasted. I then understood it was not a scientific problem but a political problem. Not being an American, I backed out. But I still think that shutting down Arecibo would be a folly.
Tullio

Maybe, just maybe, the detectors used for Einstein compete with Arecibo for funding??

More likely the ALMA array in the Atacama desert in Chile.

I'm not familiar with the ALMA array that you mention, but a conflict in funding is certainly possible since the types of detectors needed are entirely different. Arecibo is a radio telescope which picks up electromagnetic signals (radio waves). The Einstein project uses laser interferometry to detect minute changes in the distance between laser emitters and detectors. A radio telescope is quite incapable of detecting this type "wave". So it's possible that the reluctance to fund the Arecibo telescope or any other radio telescope would take away for funding for their very specialized detectors.

ALMA is an acronym for Atacama Large Millimeter Array and consists of 66 radiotelescopes operating in the millimeter band, a huge project resulting from an international cooperation. See www.alma.info

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I tried to defend Arecibo against termination in an Einstein@home message board and was violently contrasted. I then understood it was not a scientific problem but a political problem. Not being an American, I backed out. But I still think that shutting down Arecibo would be a folly.
Tullio

Maybe, just maybe, the detectors used for Einstein compete with Arecibo for funding??

More likely the ALMA array in the Atacama desert in Chile.

I'm not familiar with the ALMA array that you mention, but a conflict in funding is certainly possible since the types of detectors needed are entirely different. Arecibo is a radio telescope which picks up electromagnetic signals (radio waves). The Einstein project uses laser interferometry to detect minute changes in the distance between laser emitters and detectors. A radio telescope is quite incapable of detecting this type "wave". So it's possible that the reluctance to fund the Arecibo telescope or any other radio telescope would take away for funding for their very specialized detectors.

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I tried to defend Arecibo against termination in an Einstein@home message board and was violently contrasted. I then understood it was not a scientific problem but a political problem. Not being an American, I backed out. But I still think that shutting down Arecibo would be a folly.
Tullio

Maybe, just maybe, the detectors used for Einstein compete with Arecibo for funding??

More likely the ALMA array in the Atacama desert in Chile.

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I tried to defend Arecibo against termination in an Einstein@home message board and was violently contrasted. I then understood it was not a scientific problem but a political problem. Not being an American, I backed out. But I still think that shutting down Arecibo would be a folly.
Tullio

Maybe, just maybe, the detectors used for Einstein compete with Arecibo for funding??

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FWIW, the correct spelling is Arecibo

Noted, Thanks :D

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

How about this......

Regardless of what O/S one uses, we are in fact using a computer, whether or not we use it for everyday use or crunching.

Doesn't all the big manufacturers have a public customer services? I, for one, being a Microsoft partner have e-mailed them to ask if there is anything they can do to help, explaining that numerous DC projects have crunchers using their operating systems.

It has been mentioned that Intel has provided a server or 2, is that all from such a BIG company?

Maybe "Who" who often visits the forum informing 1 & all that Intel are the best could approach his own customer services to assist - a server or 2 - How sad!!!

With over 1,000,000 crunchers on seti, wouldn't that be asset for any potential sponsor?

This is only my view & just wondering if anything like this is possible!

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if MS donate the S@H maybe would be a S@H client fully integrated to the OS ....//joke //

Maybe just maybe if we can get Bill interested there may be some mileage in your sugestion.

;-)

I am prepared to give it a go and try to get to speak with him.

Greg

then every machine with MS OS would crunching SETI default ...

Exactly. And who would have to pick up the bill, Bill. Pun intended. ;-)

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if MS donate the S@H maybe would be a S@H client fully integrated to the OS ....//joke //

Maybe just maybe if we can get Bill interested there may be some mileage in your sugestion.

;-)

I am prepared to give it a go and try to get to speak with him.

Greg

then every machine with MS OS would crunching SETI default ...

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if MS donate the S@H maybe would be a S@H client fully integrated to the OS ....//joke //

Maybe just maybe if we can get Bill interested there may be some mileage in your sugestion.

;-)

I am prepared to give it a go and try to get to speak with him.

Greg

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Good start everyone. Maybe the mods will sticky this thread. ;-)

If we ask nicely. :-0

Spellings apart Aricibo Arecibo et al....

The fact is that we the S@H users have the power between us to put this project back on a sound footing. Without Arecibo there will be no Seti@Home. Where would the data come from. With a little thought and planning we can donate to the project without it costing any more that we already contribute from our pockets. We need to think about where we currently spend our money? At present we all use electricity and that costs money.

If you look at Formula 1 which big name computer companies sponser the winning teams?

The forth largest company in the world EMC. Which phone companies? Nokia is one for sure. How about the utility, big brand names and car manufacturing companies?

OH yes they are all there as well. The only ones missing are the likes of Cisco and Microsoft. Two of the top four largest companies in the world.

So lets formulate a plan as to how we can get the big brands backing the Seti@Home and Arecibo projects.

To start who can speak with the Seti@Home and Acecibo project directors to get their backing for a user led funding project?

Kind Regards

Greg

if MS donate the S@H maybe would be a S@H client fully integrated to the OS ....//joke //

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Good start everyone. Maybe the mods will sticky this thread. ;-)

If we ask nicely. :-0

Spellings apart Aricibo Arecibo et al....

The fact is that we the S@H users have the power between us to put this project back on a sound footing. Without Arecibo there will be no Seti@Home. Where would the data come from. With a little thought and planning we can donate to the project without it costing any more that we already contribute from our pockets. We need to think about where we currently spend our money? At present we all use electricity and that costs money.

If you look at Formula 1 which big name computer companies sponser the winning teams?

The forth largest company in the world EMC. Which phone companies? Nokia is one for sure. How about the utility, big brand names and car manufacturing companies?

OH yes they are all there as well. The only ones missing are the likes of Cisco and Microsoft. Two of the top four largest companies in the world.

So lets formulate a plan as to how we can get the big brands backing the Seti@Home and Arecibo projects.

To start who can speak with the Seti@Home and Acecibo project directors to get their backing for a user led funding project?

Kind Regards

Greg

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Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

No idea, Hopefully something good will happen.

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FWIW, the correct spelling is Arecibo

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

LOL I was worried about that too, just can't handle more than one set of grave concerns at once... I was initially more concerned about ALL the science that would go down the tube if Aricebo closed.

As for Seti@home getting data ...
Word has it there'll soon be some used atomic clocks, radio receivers and assorted highly specialised equipment going to auction...[Aricebo's] . Anyone know anything about interferometry? [ half a million extremely small dishes ....]

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

LOL I was worried about that too, just can't handle more than one set of grave concerns at once... I was initially more concerned about ALL the science that would go down the tube if Aricebo closed.

As for Seti@home getting data ...
Word has it there'll soon be some used atomic clocks, radio receivers and assorted highly specialised equipment going to auction...[Aricebo's] . Anyone know anything about interferometry? [ half a million extremely small dishes ....]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

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Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

Well, this thread is about Arecibo, but SETI@Home needs funding too.

My comments, since you replied to me, were simply stating that since some celebrities (or millionaires) already donate to 'the cause' in general, they might feel it unnecessary to donate more or feel that others should join in the cause too. Of course, I'm only speculating, I cannot speak for any of them.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly there.

[Rant_Mode] I would like to add that the current situation whereby many of the sciences are forced to compete for rather limited budgets 'kindof sucks' (In My Opinion), and that maybe a reunion of efforts (and perhaps the scientific community as a whole) is needed. Aricebo, as described in the article, has been at the forefront in many fields (and involved with major discoveries) since it was built so I am more than a little curious that new projects seem to be 'forced to' compete with Aricebo for funding, rather than recognising and prioritising it as a critical component of productive science.

Seems like 'Cutting their nose off to spite their face'

Similarly Seti@home also provided the 'Original' DC project leading to the development of the Boinc Infrastructure, forms the largest userbase [Many of whom do crunch for other projects, may not if seti@home ceased], and an effective testbed for technologies used by ALL the other projects...

Some of the strangest seemingly insignificant scientific endeavours have formed .... *gasp* I need a lie down and a cup of tea now ...
[/Rant_Mode]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

Well, this thread is about Arecibo, but SETI@Home needs funding too.

My comments, since you replied to me, were simply stating that since some celebrities (or millionaires) already donate to 'the cause' in general, they might feel it unnecessary to donate more or feel that others should join in the cause too. Of course, I'm only speculating, I cannot speak for any of them.

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sounds like Nokia could be a potential sponsor, too.

That's a good idea. :)

Or Verizon. . .

"Can you hear me now?"

(From a Verizon Wireless ad campagn for those outside their advertising radius.)

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I believe I read somewhere that Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen donates money to SETI@Home. I don't know how he'd feel about getting hit up for more money. Might be worth a shot though.
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imagine the boost in processing power if intel or amd were to sponser

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Intel already donate a server or two?

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.