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Logan Send message Joined: 26 Jan 07 Posts: 743 Credit: 918,353 RAC: 0 |
Please don't link images with obscene words in them, thank you. I can't... the pic is dont mine, and I dont have a web site where put this changed pic... If you can, the url is http://farm1.static.flickr.com/58/177830973_2f7a9da142.jpg?v=0 Logan. BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish) |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51478 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Mark, I'm seeing a whole lotta "yay's", If someone's already left, they probably won't be voting, so a simple 74 yay's, 20 nay's, might not be as accurate as one would think. Powerful crunching there!! Like yourself, I have also spent $1000.00s on computers to do nothing else but run Seti. Check my rigs and add it up, sir. I do not hide my computers. And I think that a power bill in the range of $4000.00/year is up there as well. The difference between you and I is that while I watch my credits and RAC more than some, I do not crunch just to accumulate points. I crunch to support Seti. So while I may P&M about the current credit situation, I will stay here no matter what to support the project. Your choice of projects to support is your business, and I respect your choice not to crunch Seti because of the lower number of credits for your crunching dollar. That's just not where my priorities lie. And the kitties say....."Have a good day anyway, sir." "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51478 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Just as I thought For what it's worth, I did not request it. I can handle criticism. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Kim Vater Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 227 Credit: 22,743,307 RAC: 0 |
@ML1 (and others) One could be attempted to ask you the same question: Why are you here? Your RAP far exceeds your RAC! ? Regards Kiva PS. RAP = Recent Average Postrate Greetings from Norway Crunch3er & AK-V8 Inside |
Hawthy Send message Joined: 25 May 02 Posts: 14 Credit: 144,400 RAC: 0 |
While i am the first to admit it's nice to see your name climbing up the 'leader board', this is not the reason i am here. We are analysing data for a scientific project, not in a competition or a game. The credit system is basically there to see how your computer is performing, and IMO is of minor importance compared to the work being done. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
John McCallum Send message Joined: 5 Dec 04 Posts: 879 Credit: 599,458 RAC: 8 |
No BS'ing from me or grousing for that matter CPDN gets 4x what SAH gets but that is only 'cos it needs 4x to get done ☺ Old enough to know better(but)still young enough not to care |
Fred W Send message Joined: 13 Jun 99 Posts: 2524 Credit: 11,954,210 RAC: 0 |
While i am the first to admit it's nice to see your name climbing up the 'leader board', this is not the reason i am here. We are analysing data for a scientific project, not in a competition or a game. The credit system is basically there to see how your computer is performing, and IMO is of minor importance compared to the work being done. Well said, sir. If my RAC continues to drop when others start to recover, I will check my rig to make sure it's not going wonky; then I'll stop checking the RAC to give the box a few more cycles for crunching!! RAC is the froth on top of the serious business. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21241 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
@ML1 (and others) Love of the search and of the project? Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Dr. C.E.T.I. Send message Joined: 29 Feb 00 Posts: 16019 Credit: 794,685 RAC: 0 |
{edit} oh mi lord - i've gone OFF Topic . . . RAC - RAC - RAC |
Odysseus Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1808 Credit: 6,701,347 RAC: 6 |
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/58/177830973_2f7a9da142.jpg?v=0 |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
I'm not dissing anyone. Having been the author of many a "poll" thread (in fact if you do a search of thread title with the word "poll", you'll see it's the vast majority of them). Many feel the need to add "qualifiers" to their votes. It's my intent to have them put that extra "unwanted in your thread" junk here. Most of my poll thread were before we had "automods" and mods more frequently in attendance to pick up after a thread and delete the unwanted utterings of voters. It's a poll. If he didn't constrain it to a small set of possible answers, you end up with one tally per column, and as many columns as there are participants. I agree that things could be done differently, but sometimes "different" and "better" are two different things. For example, they might have released "high-claiming" work instead of "low claiming" work during the first few weeks. I also think this is one of those "hindsight is 20-20" things. Announcing a slightly higher multiplier and then releasing something lower was probably a mistake. It would have been easier to "sell" the lower multiplier if the earlier statements weren't made. I still think the multiplier is about right (pending the ability to change it based on the angle range). I'm staying not because I think it's all SETI, but because I think there were rational reasons behind the decisions, and because frankly, whenever you change something, the odds are pretty good that you'll break something. Since MB, my RAC went down, came back up, and is now trending down. I think it has more to do with the high-paying/low-paying work units than anything else. |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
...scientific poll... A properly executed scientific poll is going to be pretty accurate. The first requirement is that the respondents are NOT self-selected. Here, they are, so the poll is not scientific. |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
Berkeley lied to us again, the last credit adjustment was told to us to be the last. Seems in someone's most intelligent thinking as Berked us again. By "last credit adjustment" are you talking about the one switching from Classic to BOINC, or some later adjustment? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51478 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
...scientific poll... Of course. The very fact that the respondants are even on this board skews the whole thing. After all, if they had left already, they would not be answering my poll, now would they? LOL. It was just kinda meant as a show of hands kinda thing. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Odysseus Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1808 Credit: 6,701,347 RAC: 6 |
The very fact that the respondants are even on this board skews the whole thing. True, by and large, just as one might conclude from surveying the Getting Started forum that BOINC is difficult to install. After all, if they had left already, they would not be answering my poll, now would they? Human behaviour often defies logic. They may be a tiny minority, but there are a few indviduals who hang around projects they’ve stopped crunching for (except to maintain a sufficient RAC to post, where applicable), just to kvetch … |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
... An interesting group is those participants who basically never come to these boards, probably don't know what their RAC is or care at all about credits. I suspect they outnumber those of us who have made this effort into a hobby which occupies much of our time. They effectively voted "Yay" when they joined. Joe |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
... Now there's a well-rounded perspective! |
M4rtyn Send message Joined: 4 Aug 03 Posts: 48 Credit: 799,965 RAC: 0 |
The majority of people who frequent this forum, and thus voted in the poll are members of the seti diehard clique, for who the project can do no wrong and so the result is only to be expected. for a far more accurate view of the picture one only has to look at the drop in active users in the last 5 months(See Link Below). Notice the increased rate of fall after the introduction of MB. So far we have a fall of allmost 10,000 active users in around 21 weeks and the rate of fall is still increasing. The fall in numbers is hardly surprising as the diehards, allthough more vocal here in the forum probabaly connsist of a much smaller percentage than would appear while those of us with a constant eye on our RAC are a larger group than would first appear. Active Users m4rtyn **************************** *************************** |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
for a far more accurate view of the picture one only has to look at the drop in active users in the last 5 months(See Link Below). Notice the increased rate of fall after the introduction of MB. So far we have a fall of allmost 10,000 active users in around 21 weeks and the rate of fall is still increasing. The only graph supporting your theory is the "Total number of active users (last 60 days)(have been granted credit in the last month)". How do we know this isn't caused by the large delay in granted credit thanks to moving the quorum down to 2 (thus increasing the time it takes to get two matching results confirmed), or the erred workunits that are taking forever one some systems that people may not know about if they don't check their systems on a daily basis, or the fact that the servers have been having problems with downloads on and off since the multibeam roll out? I guess you really can't look at the statistics because... well... you know what they say about statistics and lies and all that. |
zombie67 [MM] Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0 |
I will remain attached to all projects. The difference is the resource allocation. Currently, I am on a mission to get to 100,000 on every project possible. Once there, then it becomes a mix of "which projects do I like?" and "which projects grant the most credits?". "Well, I'm sick of this room and everyone in it." -- Bender Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA |
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