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Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
OK, now go look at the other ~62.4 credit results on the wingman (AR = 0.4265 rounded to 4 places) and calculate the credit rate for them compared to the 5.27 result. Alinator |
dnolan Send message Joined: 30 Aug 01 Posts: 1228 Credit: 47,779,411 RAC: 32 |
I think I have just been "bitten" by a 5.27!! Yup, had a ton of these already myself... Me 60.68 51.63 Wm 51.63 51.63 Me 34.60 29.45 WM 29.45 29.45 Me 60.54 51.52 WM 51.52 51.52 And those are just a very few examples from only one machine. -Dave |
Philadelphia Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0 |
I 'think' what Alinator is say (I may be wrong, message was somewhat cryptic) is that the guy that returned the lower cobblestones, while running 5.27 he reduced his processing time quite a bit from a similar WU that he ran without 5.27. So he's getting less cobblestones but he's processing it faster. It took me about 20 or so minutes to decrypt the message out and I'm still not really sure that's what's Alinator's referencing. |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
LOL... If you calculate the credit rates for the 5.27 and the 5.15's you'll find the 5.27 paid better in credits per hour for the 0.4265's (by a considerable margin). So it's pretty hard to say you're getting 'gypped' with 5.27 from the stock crunchers POV. I like to use the old axiom, "It's better to teach someone to fish, than to just give them a fish". ;-) <edit> In this case for the wingman: ~17 credits per hour with 5.27 and ~11 credits per hour for 5.15. <edit2> In fact I'll bet the 50.6 credits per hour Fred got with his C2D is still higher than it would have gotten if it had run the result with 5.27. Alinator |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66342 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
So what is the amount per WU or whatever relative to 5.15s 3.35 value? I think that is what is holding up the Chickens new seti apps from being released. So is the credit multiplier (3.81 at beta, 2.8 for the new apps, 3.35 currently) Like so or what? Josef W. Segur mentioned 5.27 is using a 2.85 multiplier of course. So mark Me confused as to what the new multiplier will be. http://lunatics.at/discussion-forum/gearing-up-for-multibeam.msg3991.html;topicseen#msg3991 Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
Fred W Send message Joined: 13 Jun 99 Posts: 2524 Credit: 11,954,210 RAC: 0 |
LOL... Quite possibly true. No doubt time will tell. I'm not going to climb out of my pram over it anyway. Just thought it an interesting point for the discussion - and it does make my estimating a bit more complex as I have been able to (gu)estimate about 1 cobblestone/minute/working core with the optimised app. (Note: most of the time one core is devoted to CPDN to try to complete the 2 WUs from there that I accidentally downloaded a couple of months ago!) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I 'think' what Alinator is say (I may be wrong, message was somewhat cryptic) is that the guy that returned the lower cobblestones, while running 5.27 he reduced his processing time quite a bit from a similar WU that he ran without 5.27. So he's getting less cobblestones but he's processing it faster. Yup, I think you got it. Andy |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Looks like 5.27 (MB) has made it over here. One of my boxes just pulled it down and is using it. And I just snatched one. :-D Click the pic "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Jim-R. Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0 |
Sorry to burst your bubble but did you check the date on that wu? It was not a mb wu. You did get the mb application, but your work unit is from 2000, definitely not a multibeam!Looks like 5.27 (MB) has made it over here. One of my boxes just pulled it down and is using it. edit) unless that's what you were looking for! But since the mb wu's haven't got here yet I don't think everyone's complaining about the credits should be done until we try the new app on what it is designed to run on! Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. |
Andy Lee Robinson Send message Joined: 8 Dec 05 Posts: 630 Credit: 59,973,836 RAC: 0 |
So, what exactly is the difference between the old data and the new MB data that makes a new app necessary? |
Sutehk Send message Joined: 11 Jun 99 Posts: 42 Credit: 1,443,674 RAC: 0 |
Another question: What happens when one of these new MB WU has to get crunched by a 5.17 chicken soup? I am going to run into this scenario shortly on my main cruncher. |
Pappa Send message Joined: 9 Jan 00 Posts: 2562 Credit: 12,301,681 RAC: 0 |
I Like this one, there have been problems with (chicken soup, as Users thought they could be a large fish in a small pond) did not validate in Seti Beta... All that work and no credit cuasing other problems that took time to identify... What most do not know is that "Out of the Box" with the MultiBeam Data and the 5.27 Seti Application things are faster/comparable to what Chicken Soup does now... You can Thank Joe and Simon and Crew for that (the input for the base source code)... I do have to say with the various Angle Ranges there are some things that will take some time to work out... But then, You should go read the Seti Beta Forums until a FAQ shows up... Another question: Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project. |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
So, what exactly is the difference between the old data and the new MB data that makes a new app necessary? If you showed the graphics when running a MB WU with the old app, it wouldn't identify the source of the data correctly. That cosmetic issue is about the only fundamental difference, other than the new app being about 25% faster on average. There is no difference in the science results. When you get into social factors, there's also the different credit multiplier of course. I consider that a BOINC issue rather than anything essential to getting the work done. Of course it's important, there might be many fewer users without a way of measuring work done which encourages some competition. Joe |
archae86 Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 909 Credit: 1,582,816 RAC: 0 |
Sorry to burst your bubble but did you check the date on that wu? It was not a mb wu. You did get the mb application, but your work unit is from 2000, definitely not a multibeam! Is there a quick and easy way to tell? I've got a fresh one that appears to be data logged on March 3, 2007, and which has the impressively far in the future return deadline of October 1 (over 50 days from date of issue). Is this perhaps a multibeam? If not, how to tell? perhaps a multibeam WU? |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
I just got a Work Unit data recorded 03 March 2007 03mr07aa.15818.6207.4.4.142 |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
yes it is a multi beam wu :) Kind Regards Byron |
Jim-R. Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0 |
Sorry to burst your bubble but did you check the date on that wu? It was not a mb wu. You did get the mb application, but your work unit is from 2000, definitely not a multibeam! I'm not sure without doing some research the exact date that the multibeam recorder recorded it's first work, so I can't say an exact date to look for but yours and Byron's both are one of the multibeam. You can tell by the date as an easy way without reading into header files and such. The date is the first three groups of two characters in the filename in the format ddmmyy. In this case you both have one that was recorded on the third of March, 2007. Most of the linefeed work we are running now has dates in the 1999 to 2001 range. Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
Hi Jim thanks for that info some more info from Josef W. Segur: I just got a Work Unit data recorded 03 March 2007 03mr07aa.15818.6207.4.4.142 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=41412#617386 Kind Regards Byron |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Okay, So I have one of these '07 units sitting in the cache of one of my machines. My questions are: - I am running chicken 2.2B, will it run/validate correctly? - if it runs, will it run longer or faster than stock 5.27? - will it give me more or less credit/time than stock 5.27? Jason MB wu http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=146173344 "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Jim-R. Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0 |
Okay, So I have one of these '07 units sitting in the cache of one of my machines. My questions are: As posted by Papa, there have been numerous problems running the mb units with Chicken's app. Many have run and crunched fine, but many more have not. So it may not validate, or may give other errors. However at this point unless you are willing to do a project reset and take the chance of losing them both you will just have to take your chances with it. I would set "no new work" until you can crunch your cache down and remove your app_info.xml file and let the system download the new app. If properly done, a shutdown followed by a reset should cause the work units to be resent as "lost work units" and the new application downloaded to crunch them. Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. |
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