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Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter (5 messages in thread)
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Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter - Jason Buffalo Jun 22, 2002 at 11:27
Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter - Jason Buffalo Jun 22, 2002 at 11:49
Proof Filter Process does not create anomalies. - Ron Bobarsky Jun 22, 2002 at 20:35
Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter - BrianS Jun 22, 2002 at 15:02
Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter - Jason Buffalo Jun 22, 2002 at 16:12




Subject: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter Message 1 of 5
Posted by Jason Buffalo on Jun 22, 2002 at 11:27
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Allright i dindt found the Power Map wich Ron made his discovery
but i took anohter powermap from the info section this powermap
was made in septemper 2000,i still had a cd with a shareware version
of Paint shop pro,so i installed and took the powermap i had,
and did the same thing what ron did, and what i found out is this,
What Ron has found is naturly i dont now way but that powermap what i have
had an eye to, not that detailed as ron but when you look closey you can reconize it,my best guess to this anamoly has to do shometing to do
with the blure effect what the software uses,
so far i know about the blure effect and it's software procedure
is that the blure effect calculate the weight of the color of an surrounding pixel that meit cause the Eye anomoly or any movement of the anomol
also that there isnt much color in the power map so far i now only 7 diffrent color's can contibute to this anamoly because the blure effect uses
24 Million Colors for smoothing the picture to greate the blure effect
this is the best explanation for this even i hope it is usesfull in the
future when useing software make sure you guys now how the software works


Subject: Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter Message 2 of 5
Posted by Jason Buffalo on Jun 22, 2002 at 11:49
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Okay this me again i got proof this is what you do, take any paint programm,
and choose the red color,then select the spray button,so the color gets
sprayed on the screen,spray around make sure you get some density in you
picture,then save the picuture, load paint shop pro
and load your picture, select color resulution and switch over to 24 million
colors or 16 million,then go to the blure filter and chosse gusian blure
set it to 1.2 and click okay and you chud be able to see a face or an eye or
shometing,you also can use the negative image and you get some great effect's
with it to.
okay i hope this solve this anomaly thing,we have going on this message board



Subject: Proof Filter Process does not create anomalies. Message 3 of 5
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 22, 2002 at 20:35
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Your approach to discredit this is in jibberish, it's not hard to tell you
don't have a strong background in digital imagery. I will take the time to
explain to the bewildered and skeptics. I created a example just to show that
this process protects the data integrity.

http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/integrity.htm


Subject: Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter Message 4 of 5
Posted by BrianS on Jun 22, 2002 at 15:02
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Way to go Jason! This is the best explanation so far. Image processing can be a
very deceptive business and you are right to say that we need to be very
careful to know the algorithms we applying and what artefacts they may
introduce into the data. We also need to be sure that they have been
implemented correctly in our software. It's unfortunate for SETI@home that the
anamoly is in the form of an eye and not a flower or Mickey Mouse. Thanks for
your efforts Jason.


Subject: Re: Ron Bobarsky Anamoly is a effect by the Blure Filter Message 5 of 5
Posted by Jason Buffalo on Jun 22, 2002 at 16:12
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That is something i had to do.


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A discovery in the making ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 17, 2002 at 20:46
Re: A discovery in the making ? - GavinRFuller Jun 18, 2002 at 04:04
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 18, 2002 at 20:33
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Mike R 325X1 Jun 18, 2002 at 00:42
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 18, 2002 at 03:37
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Jack Lass Jun 18, 2002 at 13:43
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 18, 2002 at 20:30
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Barkeeper Jun 18, 2002 at 03:51
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Jeff Hammersmark Jun 18, 2002 at 23:01
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Jeff Hammersmark Jun 18, 2002 at 23:06
Re: A discovery in the making ? - scrimmo Jun 19, 2002 at 11:19
Re: A discovery in the making ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 19, 2002 at 12:34
Re: Link to Power maps deleted ? - Ron Bobarsky Jun 19, 2002 at 03:41




Subject: A discovery in the making ? Message 1 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 17, 2002 at 20:46
Reply to this message.

I believe that looking at spikes, triplets, gaussians, pulses is too close of a analysis.
I don't think it's that complex, it's a matter of perception.

Let say something is already there, watching us and does not reveal itself as to upset the fragile balance of human life.
This outsider might just think you will see me when you are ready or evolved far enough. --- "A look out of the fish bowl"
I could see patterns in the raw powermaps so I created a filter to convert them into images. What I found in my opinion is
complex objects that come in between the radio telescope and the source. These objects absorb the signal rather than broadcast.
Diagram 2 is filters applied only, there are no manual processes that have been applied and the data integrity has been preserved.
You can see in diagram 2 before the noise removal and shadow burn that a complex object exists and contains correct specular reflections,
also the object backs away and show semetry and is much larger than the telescopes scan area which can be addressed in analyzing a sequence of days.
These objects can be tracked and keep there complex shape and are driven by data not creativity. When I first saw this it reminded me of a looking
at a specimen on a slide because I could see objects overlapping, several translucent layers of images ready to be discovered.
You must ask yourself if this is a true find is the SETI analysis using the correct method? The receiving projection from
a microscope to a slide would have a eye projected down onto the slide . . . . something to think about.

I am currently creating a presentation on this odd complex object and have a Flash program so people can compare the original
powermap to the discovery to show it is data driven. -- Signed, "Back into the bowl" - Ron Bobarsky - rbobarsky@charter.net

After posting the message above and a Graphic of my analysis in my profile SETI Removed links to the powersmaps.

Coincidence? Is SETI pursuing this ? Are we just tossed aside resources ?

I have attempted to email this odd find but I enjoyed static as my return email from SETI.

ANY ONE BESIDES SETI SCIENTIST wish to have a graphic and explaination of this find I am currently creating a site to post this information. . . .

whether this is released premature or not I would like to know what this is I am looking at because frankly I'm a little stumped! Ron Bobarsky rbobarsky@charter.net


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 2 of 13
Posted by GavinRFuller on Jun 18, 2002 at 04:04
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Hi Ron

I would love to take a look at what you have. A closed mind is our greatest
stumbling block. If the SETi scientist arent prepared to look at it shy their
blinkers, I have to wonder about the validity of this project.

Cheers

Gavin Fuller



Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 3 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 18, 2002 at 20:33
Reply to this message.
Thank you for your open mind. . . I can't explain why this is there. . .
Take a look - Ron

http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/analysis.htm


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 4 of 13
Posted by Mike R 325X1 on Jun 18, 2002 at 00:42
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Ron, You have obviously been looking at your computer too long. As for your
Seti links you can assume that Seti came to the same conclusion that I did.
Your nuts.


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 5 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 18, 2002 at 03:37
Reply to this message.
You would think someone would say "Gee Ron what did you find? present this
evidence and give us a chance to dis-credit this anomaly". It is Driven by the
Data, I have put more than 1000 hours into these images and just thought for a
second someone would be able to shed some light and drive some interest on this
anomaly. You obviously made a decision already before seeing the evidence. If
I'm wrong I'd rather not waste my time with this bogus analysis, I have much
better things to do with my time. Although very quick to judge, Thanks for
your reply to my post. - Ron


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 6 of 13
Posted by Jack Lass on Jun 18, 2002 at 13:43
Reply to this message.
What evidence Ron? Did something drop from your post? Didn't you save what
you believe you saw so that others might evaluate it? If you did, where is it
so we can all have a look? If you didn't save it, why not?


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 7 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 18, 2002 at 20:30
Reply to this message.
Please be patient this is graphic intense . . .

http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/analysis.htm

Thank you for your open mind. . .


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 8 of 13
Posted by Barkeeper on Jun 18, 2002 at 03:51
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Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross, because he said he's the Son of God. Now
everybody believes that.

I would like to see your evidence.

Regards
Barkeeper

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Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 9 of 13
Posted by Jeff Hammersmark on Jun 18, 2002 at 23:01
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I have two things to say:

a) This is pretty insane. In order for this to be a significant find,
the "sender" must have been attempting to create a picture made up of the
signals from a whole range of frequencies. I just don't see the logic in that.

b) Ever seen the "faces" in the smoke of the World Trade Towers from September
11th? It's human nature to create recognizable patterns from a whole bunch
of....well....crap. The face on Mars is another example. As a matter of fact, I
can, and I'm sure anyone else could, identify 10 or 20 objects in the negative
that look like faces, and many other objects.

DESPITE all I've said, I can't deny that the picture peaks my interest. In
particular, there is an object on the top, slightly left from center, which
looks like just about a half circle. That to me is the only object in the
picture which makes me go "hmmm" (it seems to have a very distinct structure).
There is also, comically, a very clear smile in the picture that I'm sure
everyone sees, but that's obviously tampering, or funny coincidence.

Whether this somehow turns out to be a big find or not, thanks for posting
something interesting for us all to ponder over.

- Jeff




Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 10 of 13
Posted by Jeff Hammersmark on Jun 18, 2002 at 23:06
Reply to this message.
>>After posting the message above and a Graphic of my analysis in my profile
>>SETI Removed links to the powersmaps. Coincidence? Is SETI pursuing this ?

My God, you're right. I didn't notice you said this at first. Wow. How close
was the removal of the links to your posting and the thing on your profile? I
think you may be onto something.

This is honestly the first time I've had goosebumps since joining SETI@home.

Maybe SETI@home can explain why they took off the links to the powermaps on the
homepage.

- Jeff




Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 11 of 13
Posted by scrimmo on Jun 19, 2002 at 11:19
Reply to this message.
Maybe.. just maybe, they're already onto this. And maybe, they didn't want YOU
to be.

Planned since the start? discovered later? do they do more analysis than they
tell us? What do u think..?


Subject: Re: A discovery in the making ? Message 12 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 19, 2002 at 12:34
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>>Maybe.. just maybe, they're already onto this. And maybe, they didn't want
>>YOU to be.

>>Planned since the start? discovered later? do they do more analysis than they
>>tell us? What do u think..?

I always thought SETI@HOME methods for searching was like having tunnel
vision. A scientist should analyze throughly and exhaust all means, I don't
think we have even begun to analyze things in the depth that we should.

Oddly enough the 1st clearest image begins Dec 25 . . . . .
The Graphic I posted is not altered, merely enhanced into a visual range. - Ron

For a look at the analysis copy and paste link below. Load time is High be
patient. by 6/22/2002 I should have a flash presentation online which
observers can compare the unaltered original with the 4 step converted to show
it driven by the data.

http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/analysis.htm


Subject: Re: Link to Power maps deleted ? Message 13 of 13
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 19, 2002 at 03:41
Reply to this message.
It was within a week, I had just reached my 500th unit and was excited to
download my 500 unit certificate but instead got my 100th for the 3rd
time . . . After my dissappointment I showed a friend my analysis. I went to
the powermaps and poof the link was gone but because of all the changes at SETI
I was compelled to put a post out there "Power Maps - anyone know why the
powermaps link was deleted off the main page - Whether this was coincidence
or not I don't know. I am a computer animator, I overlayed the several days
and it contains complex motion that sustains a shape - a object that suggests
the shape of a eye with curves around it. After watching the overlays
everything around it changes drastically except the "anomaly". It would be nice
to have some technical feedback from SETI on this anomaly but I don't think
the "panic struck public" would be their 1st priority even if it is something.
Thank you for your constructive post. - Ron

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Subject: burst at midfrequency visual Message 1 of 1
Posted by MarcelVanDerSluys on Jun 19, 2002 at 15:03
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large burst across time at beginning of package recorded at aug12 02:11:39 1999
received by me as package 51.

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Subject: Proof that filter does not create Anomalies Message 1 of 1
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 22, 2002 at 20:45

There are some users that are arguing that the filter process creates anomalies, it doesn't. I created a example just to show that
this process can show imagery and protect the datas integrity.


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Subject: Re: Proof that filter does not create Anomalies Message 2 of 2
Posted by Jason Buffalo on Jun 23, 2002 at 06:23
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look Ron the powermap display's the power of certain freunzy in a red or
diffrent color depence on the strengt,
all color combined on the powermap are 7 color's or a little bit more,
the blure filter take this color's and smooth it that means you are displaying
power amplitude's wich there chud be none and this way the blure filter causes
the anomalies.

And to your responce to one of my post,
your right i realy dont now much of digtial photographics
but i am a programmer and i now how the blure filter is implemented
and how it works

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To Ron Bobarsky - Jason Buffalo Jun 23, 2002 at 10:31
To Jason Buffalo - Ron Bobarsky Jun 23, 2002 at 19:42




Subject: To Ron Bobarsky Message 1 of 2
Posted by Jason Buffalo on Jun 23, 2002 at 10:31
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I Saw your proof that the filter dosn't manipulate the integrity of
your picture,but your example of the powermap is not the on produced
by the berkely institute,when you whud take closer look you will reconize
that:
A: The Powermap has only 7 Diffrent color spectrume
B: Your Powermap is highly denst wich the orignal Powermap isnt
C: The Powermaps are a diagramms for messurment and other sorts not
to be used for digital manuplation or other sorts
So and now to your proof.

i have posted some explanation on my other post
but here is it again.(a little bit better i hope)

When you take the powermap and look closey,you will reconize that the powermap
is not very dents with pixel,what i mean is you have a red dot representing data
of a signal wich is Power and there is the black dot wich means no Power,
when you take your blure filter and use it on the powermap,the filter
will smooth the colors between two dots,so when there was a black dot
wich reprecents No Power,now there is a dot between the color of red and black wich create your depth,
but that is inacurte because there sopose to be now Dot no power.
in a nother word is,when the powermap is there for Messurment of the signal power,and you use it with the blure filter,
then you have manipulate the data, so wich also means that your anomalies is not from the powermap,but a cause true your useing the
blure filter

I hope you understand this just take time and look carfuly


Subject: To Jason Buffalo Message 2 of 2
Posted by Ron Bobarsky on Jun 23, 2002 at 19:42
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I understand the methods and scope of what I have presented.
You have some really good points! These points is what make people skeptic, I
will try to explain.

>>A: The Powermap has only 7 Diffrent color spectrume
Color does not play a role in this analysis, If you took a white crayon on a
white piece of paper it is very hard too see but that can be separated into a
high contrast black and white easily viewable image.

Below is a sample that should clear why some things in the analyzed image are
darker.
http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/jason.htm

The yello and white in the SETI powermap of Dec 25th are discarded because they
are nominal. Color is irrelivant, it is the depth of the
color/greyscale "Levels" that is of most importance.


>>B: Your Powermap is highly denst wich the orignal Powermap isnt

Consider this process like staining a specimen on a microscope slide, it's just
enhanced to see better, can the data be used for algorithm decoding a message
after the analysis -no : We brought certain aspects of the sample in the link
http://webpages.charter.net/analysis/jason.htm I posted above in to a range
that is viewable. I believe that change is what you are seeing in the
analysis.

>>C: The Powermaps are a diagramms for messurment and other sorts not
>>to be used for digital manuplation or other sorts
Remember a photo is a diagram for measurements of light - Hilight/Midtone/Shadow
Is light not the most common form of energy? Doesn't the powermaps return
energy?


>>When you take the powermap and look closey,you will reconize that the powermap
>>is not very dents with pixel,what i mean is you have a red dot representing
>>data
>>of a signal wich is Power and there is the black dot wich means no Power,
>>when you take your blure filter and use it on the powermap,the filter
>>will smooth the colors between two dots,so when there was a black dot
>>wich reprecents No Power,now there is a dot between the color of red and
>>black wich create your depth,
>>but that is inacurte because there sopose to be now Dot no power.

Almost all of printed material/ magazines/poster/ are comprised up of Dots.
They call this a screen, Newspapers are 80 LPI "Lines per inch" Magazines of
High quality are 200 + on the LPI. In printing if you take a screened image and
screen it again you get a morai pattern. This is unwanted pattern when trying
to represent a image for printing, "The powermaps where never a photo", I just
brought them to this 1st stage" Also the "Screening" Type of Scans SETI is
doing are not 100% image ready, with some modifications of the type of scans
and energy representations they are doing could possible fill in the blanks
where I have driven doubt. "If there is something there".

>>then you have manipulate the data, so wich also means that your anomalies is
>>not from the powermap,but a cause true your useing the
>>blure filter

I am using the data in a different way. . . I assume the energy of the skymap
represents is being absorbed/distorted, there should be a normal consistency of
ramdomness across the sky, The raw powermap of Dec 25th to me displayed
something that seemed not so random, Remember I looked at dot structures for
the past 18 years closely as they were reproduced on paper, "Printing".

>>I hope you understand this just take time and look carfuly

Thank you for your constructive questions, even if this is nothing
I want to say it was hard for me to come forth and present this.
It was like putting a target on my forehead and preparing for the flak
I have read such adjectives as Conspiracy, Bogus, Nuts, Spycode, Fake and I
appreciate your patience as I am looking for answers as you are too.

A photograph conveys, in a way no words can, a sense of the mystery and beauty
of life, nature, and the achievements of mankind. - Ron



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