I have to post this for Halloween. It's a report from Mexican TV about flying witches that were seen in Mexico. It's kinda creepy.

Flying witches

There are some other vids that I think say it's a baloon.

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Well..considering that you have yet to actually show me why, exactly, I am in error, then I will consider discussing things further.

You have yet to answer the very basic question that I have been asking since the very beginning of my time here.

Why am I wrong?

I will say it again....just to make sure you are clear on my position.

" How can man define what is impossible when man has yet to define all things that are possible? "

Another way of putting it....How can we make a decision on what isn't possible, when we still don't know everything that is possible?

That doesn't seem like an irrational question to me.

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Knightmate. I presume you now agree fully with the explanations of knowledge theory explained in here? I'm happy we came to an understanding.

Not really. I just tired of the same argument that we have been through before...lol

The agreement that I have come to is that we simply don't look at things the same way. But then again....we knew that...lmao

Then express why. You cannot continue to uphold 'ideals' that hold no water. pick one or the other.

I've satisfactorially answered all of your questions. It's time to do the rest. Have you not understood them ? Or just disagreed with rationality and empiricism in principle? Take your pick. I'm not concerned with your motive, just your error.

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Knightmate. I presume you now agree fully with the explanations of knowledge theory explained in here? I'm happy we came to an understanding.

Not really. I just tired of the same argument that we have been through before...lol

The agreement that I have come to is that we simply don't look at things the same way. But then again....we knew that...lmao

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Knightmate. I presume you now agree fully with the explanations of knowledge theory explained in here? I'm happy we came to an understanding.

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Tonight on Coast to Coast AM airing at 1am EST :

Wed 10.31 >>
Art Bell hosts his annual Halloween broadcast of Ghost-to-Ghost, with callers sharing their spookiest stories.


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Thank You KM Sir! for that Post . . .

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Paranormal investigator and researcher Rosemary Ellen Guiley will talk about Shadow People, haunting phenomena and her new edition of The Encyclopedia of Ghosts & Spirits.

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Paranormal investigator and researcher Rosemary Ellen Guiley will talk about Shadow People, haunting phenomena and her new edition of The Encyclopedia of Ghosts & Spirits.

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Mon 10.29 >>
Researcher Michael Tellinger will discuss his work on the Ancient Astronaut theory, the evolution of the Soul, vibrational frequencies, and 2012.

First Hour: Paranormal investigator Joshua P. Warren shares an update on the Kecksburg UFO case.

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So did he really Die? Where is the proof?

Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (March 13, 1911 – January 24, 1986), better known as L. Ron Hubbard, was the creator of Dianetics, and founder of the Church of Scientology.

He's prolly on a UFO with Elvis

Ha ha ha I thought of that!

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So did he really Die? Where is the proof?

Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (March 13, 1911 – January 24, 1986), better known as L. Ron Hubbard, was the creator of Dianetics, and founder of the Church of Scientology.

He's prolly on a UFO with Elvis

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So did he really Die? Where is the proof?

Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (March 13, 1911 – January 24, 1986), better known as L. Ron Hubbard, was the creator of Dianetics, and founder of the Church of Scientology.

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Sun 10.28 >>
An active member of the Pagan community, Deborah Lipp will discuss the history of witchcraft and the Occult, as well as all the various ways an unprecedented number of Americans are practicing the Craft. Host: Rollye James

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I'll probly be listening again tonight.

About the occult. For those interested, a good online resource at Occultopedia.

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Okay R/B, the definitive proof you've been looking for. lol

Now to something more seious (?). I don't know WTH to make of this video supposedly from Australia.

Hmmmm....very tough to determine what that might be.

Could just be a huge spotlight on a helicopter...except for that burst of speed at the end.

I dunno, but the little girl was scared. It sounded very loud. If it was actually coming from IT instead of just being wind that is.

Some of the stuff MrGray was posting over the last few months, which he later reported had been debunked/were hoaxes, also had such things. Gasps. Sounding scared. I do not take that as an indication of truth. They could be good actors.

To me the suspicious part is when the video ends right after it zooms away. I mean why not just keep filming it?

Young children don't have to be good actors... I think it's very easy to scare them into thinking that something is worth being frightened of.

Man, it would be a shame if the parents made them take part in a hoax. But it wouldn't surprise me in this day and age.

It probably wasn't even intended as a hoax, maybe just trying to find amusement in a boring drive... when I listened to the film, eyes closed and just listening, it reminds me of the last two xmas eves (we celebrate on Christmas Eve), trying to get the two nephews to one end of the house to the other... Oh, wasn't that sleigh bells? What was that sound? Did you see that? After enough time they will invariably get all excited and say they heard something or saw something... all the while I'm telling teenage son to shush as he's trying to explain it's all a trick... Have a listen to the film again with that in mind, lol

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Okay R/B, the definitive proof you've been looking for. lol

Now to something more seious (?). I don't know WTH to make of this video supposedly from Australia.

Hmmmm....very tough to determine what that might be.

Could just be a huge spotlight on a helicopter...except for that burst of speed at the end.

I dunno, but the little girl was scared. It sounded very loud. If it was actually coming from IT instead of just being wind that is.

Some of the stuff MrGray was posting over the last few months, which he later reported had been debunked/were hoaxes, also had such things. Gasps. Sounding scared. I do not take that as an indication of truth. They could be good actors.

To me the suspicious part is when the video ends right after it zooms away. I mean why not just keep filming it?

Young children don't have to be good actors... I think it's very easy to scare them into thinking that something is worth being frightened of.

Man, it would be a shame if the parents made them take part in a hoax. But it wouldn't surprise me in this day and age.

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Filmmaker and activist Alex Jones will discuss his work on what he says is one of the biggest unreported stories in history-- the "global elite's" plan to reduce the world's population by 80%.

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...and I wish them the best of luck.

Alex Jones is always entertaining. He's one of my favorite crackpots. :-)

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...and I wish them the best of luck.

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Ok. If we state that something is 'impossible' there needs to be a reference to proven and certain facts. These people in your example about space flight from perhaps 100 years ago that might have deemed it 'impossible' clearly had no rational basis for that claim.

Robert. Their statement that it would be " impossible " would have been perfectly rational based on the knowledge they had at the time. You can only say it WASN'T rational using hindsight. That is simply not a good basis for that statement.

How so? I understand your concerns about employing hindsight but more in the next paragraph.

But if the claim is made that an action 'X' or the existence of entity 'Y' is impossible to be correct it must be demonstrated by the claimant why it's impossible.

Then what of the people who argue that it's impossible for an unknown species of ape ( Bigfoot perhaps ) to be living in the Northwest Forests? Doesn't your argument falsify their claims because they can't definitively prove it?

And I will not, and never have, claimed that it's impossible for Bigfoot to be living out in the woods somewhere. I refuse to make that claim for the same reasons that some people 100 years ago SHOULD have refrained from making the claim that space flight was impossible also.

But if someone asserts that there IS Bigfoot living in his back yard then it is incumbent upon him to adduce evidence to support his contention. I won't believe there exists such a creature without more supportive evidence. But I regard it as possible that Bigfoot's out there. Hell, he might even be an Objectivist. Who knows.

If the claim is made from the argument of credulity or imagination then it's dismissed. Those are logical fallacies after all. (It can't be true because I can't imagine it! Or vice versa, 'It is true but I can picture it in my noggin!'.

But isn't that basically what you are doing by saying how far out in left field we are for thinking it may be possible that an unknown species of ape is living in the Northwest Woods??

I don't think it's 'out in left field' for you to believe it's possible there's an unknown species of ape living in the Northwest Woods. This is after all the same position that I hold. It's possible.

But all positive claims about reality should be made and understood to be made within the context of the knowledge available at the time. Of course, in cases of absolute certitude one asserts that [i]in principle[i/] it is impossible for any new evidence to appear to contradict the purported fact.

But doesn't that go back to the argument about the person 100 years ago saying that it would be impossible to go to the Moon?? He/she made that claim based on the knowledge available at the time. That doesn't mean that they don't have a rational basis for it.

No, sometimes the available knowledge at the time is not sufficient to deny something is in principle impossible. Anyone claiming that space flight was impossible was in obvious error. However if they had NOT been in error and followed my guidelines I spelled out earlier then by definition they'd be right. We'd have no space flight today...or ever. Remember, I pointed out the difference between absolute certitude (it's impossible that there's a family of 8 foot tall Bigfoots living in my boxer shorts for example--insert own jokes here) vs functional certainty.

In short, it's generally wiser in my view , to elect to use phrases that allow for undiscovered facts or phenomenon such as 'Very unlikely', or 'probably impossible'.

I would suggest that you stick with the former since " impossible " has yet to be completely defined. :-)

I did just that. I clearly defined what absolute certitude requires in order to define what's in principle impossible. That is to repeat, it would have to entail that acceptance of one thing as certain contradicted another previously known certitude.

But for more clear cut cases I have no problem with the absolute certitude statement of 'impossible'. It's impossible for a goldfish to leap from his bowl and land on the moon. But it's certainly possible for us to send a goldfish to the moon. It's all about context.

I have no issue with that statement at all...

But it seems you do have a problem with it. In your last paragraph you suggested we refrain from using the term, 'impossible', because in your view it has yet to be properly defined.

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