Since hospitals tend be places the sickest people end up, it is probably not a surprise that you have a greater chance of dying in hospital than elsewhere.

As far as the statistics regarding the death rate falling during doctors' strikes, I would be interested in the statistics for the next few weeks. Many medical interventions occur in response to life-threatening conditions in patients and these interventions often have risks associated with them. So, in the short term, by not treating you cause a temporary reduction in the death rate, but taken overall, the death rate doesn't change.

After all, we will all die eventuallly.

For a long time I have felt that we now live longer because we have:

Clean Water
Good Sanitation
Abundant Varied Foods
Warmth, Housing, Clothes
Some Security.

And these:

On a social level we have various innoculations against the great killers like TB and we have antibiotics..

One of the greatest killer outside of these is malaria.. We kind of are able to stop the worst problems.. sometimes.

I doubt the majority of society live very much longer because of any other medical intervention though many individuals do.

Surgery sometimes extends life. Minor surgery is probably far more successful statistically at saving lives than major.



If you look at "The Lady of The Lamp" (Florence Nightingale) who is remembered almost as a Saint in the UK probably (through ignorance) killed more people than she saved.

Hospitals as you suggest breed disease but sometimes they breed ignorance simply by having to follow rules or by living by the book.

In the US the Medical situation seems to be going from bad to worse.

Shhhhh... You might wake up the delusional... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Since hospitals tend be places the sickest people end up, it is probably not a surprise that you have a greater chance of dying in hospital than elsewhere.

As far as the statistics regarding the death rate falling during doctors' strikes, I would be interested in the statistics for the next few weeks. Many medical interventions occur in response to life-threatening conditions in patients and these interventions often have risks associated with them. So, in the short term, by not treating you cause a temporary reduction in the death rate, but taken overall, the death rate doesn't change.

After all, we will all die eventuallly.

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Not all patients get to see an M.D. I had a friend that died because a Nurse Practitioner refused to allow the patient to either see the M.D., or go to the Emergency Room. When my friend finally (after 3 days of being sent home with aspirin) decided to go to the ER, he was already in septic shock and died within 6 hours. Yes, the widow is much wealthier now.

It seems all anyone can see nowadays is a PA (physicians assistant) In the US the Medical situation seems to be going from bad to worse. A lot seem like legal drug pushers for the Pharmaceutical companies.

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My Uncle in England went into the Hospital for a broken Leg...He died there within 3 weeks.

I am from the UK and I am so sorry for your loss :(

I understand you might not want to talk about it but do you think it was because of the treatment itself?

After a simple accident I lost a nerve in my foot when a doctor refused to listen to me (screaming) and decided to try and clamp an artery inside a wound that only required a few simple stiches. He crushed the nerve.

I have seen these statistics before about bad medical intervention and they are similar for both the US and the UK. I am not sure that statistics always prove what we think they do but I do now avoid hospitals unless I have no choice.

The sad thing is is that we should by rights be able to trust them :(



You are welcome to PM me hiamps.

He got pneumonia while there and that killed him. It was quite a shock as he was quite healthy before he went.

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Not all patients get to see an M.D. I had a friend that died because a Nurse Practitioner refused to allow the patient to either see the M.D., or go to the Emergency Room. When my friend finally (after 3 days of being sent home with aspirin) decided to go to the ER, he was already in septic shock and died within 6 hours. Yes, the widow is much wealthier now.

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...SNIP...
My Uncle in England went into the Hospital for a broken Leg...He died there within 3 weeks.

I am from the UK and I am so sorry for your loss :(

I understand you might not want to talk about it but do you think it was because of the treatment itself?

After a simple accident I lost a nerve in my foot when a doctor refused to listen to me (screaming) and decided to try and clamp an artery inside a wound that only required a few simple stiches. He crushed the nerve.

I have seen these statistics before about bad medical intervention and they are similar for both the US and the UK. I am not sure that statistics always prove what we think they do but I do now avoid hospitals unless I have no choice.

The sad thing is is that we should by rights be able to trust them :(



You are welcome to PM me hiamps.

I avoid hospitals whenever I can. Have you noticed how many in-patients patients come down with pneumonia or pick up some virus or infection? Too many!

In my opinion it is the Hospitals themselves more so than the doctors.

Probably so, Pawly. With all the cutbacks in hospitals they're not managing to keep them sterilized the way they should. I can well believe though, that hospital boards "Hush Up" medical error rates. After all, they want to avoid lawsuits.

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I avoid hospitals whenever I can. Have you noticed how many in-patients patients come down with pneumonia or pick up some virus or infection? Too many!

In my opinion it is the Hospitals themselves more so than the doctors.

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I avoid hospitals whenever I can. Have you noticed how many in-patients patients come down with pneumonia or pick up some virus or infection? Too many!

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Simply amazing! Totally counter-intuitive! But very true... doctors kill people! They don't mean to do that... but they do!
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Strike by doctors saves lives!!!
Agora Lifestyles Health Sciences Institute UK
by Hank Roelofs

When doctors in Israel took industrial action and went on strike back in 2000, it highlighted a strange phenomenon - when doctors go on strike, the death rate plummets.

In this particular instance, the death rate fell by nearly 40% over the strike period. But it's by no means an isolated example.

Back in 1973, Israeli doctors went on strike for 4 weeks and deaths fell by 50% in that month.

The same happened in Los Angeles in 1976, which saw an 18% decline in deaths during industrial action by doctors. When the strike ended and the medical machine started grinding back into action, the death rate returned to usual levels.

The same thing in Bogota in 1972. Doctors withdrew all treatments apart from emergency care. And guess what? The mortality rate went down by 35%.

It would appear therefore that the more we can avoid medical intervention in our lives, the more chance we have of living longer and healthier.

For example, medical errors account for an estimated 40,000 deaths each year in the UK, and have officially become Britain's third biggest killer behind cancer and heart disease.

That's the equivalent to a Jumbo jet-full of passengers perishing every week of the year.

In addition, serious reactions to a prescription drug are also believed to be responsible for a further 250,000 Britons being hospitalised each year - with aspirin, diuretics, warfarin and NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), commonly used for treating such things as arthritis, the main offenders.

My Uncle in England went into the Hospital for a broken Leg...He died there within 3 weeks.

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Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

Simply amazing! Totally counter-intuitive! But very true... doctors kill people! They don't mean to do that... but they do!
********************************************************************
Strike by doctors saves lives!!!
Agora Lifestyles Health Sciences Institute UK
by Hank Roelofs

When doctors in Israel took industrial action and went on strike back in 2000, it highlighted a strange phenomenon - when doctors go on strike, the death rate plummets.

In this particular instance, the death rate fell by nearly 40% over the strike period. But it's by no means an isolated example.

Back in 1973, Israeli doctors went on strike for 4 weeks and deaths fell by 50% in that month.

The same happened in Los Angeles in 1976, which saw an 18% decline in deaths during industrial action by doctors. When the strike ended and the medical machine started grinding back into action, the death rate returned to usual levels.

The same thing in Bogota in 1972. Doctors withdrew all treatments apart from emergency care. And guess what? The mortality rate went down by 35%.

It would appear therefore that the more we can avoid medical intervention in our lives, the more chance we have of living longer and healthier.

For example, medical errors account for an estimated 40,000 deaths each year in the UK, and have officially become Britain's third biggest killer behind cancer and heart disease.

That's the equivalent to a Jumbo jet-full of passengers perishing every week of the year.

In addition, serious reactions to a prescription drug are also believed to be responsible for a further 250,000 Britons being hospitalised each year - with aspirin, diuretics, warfarin and NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), commonly used for treating such things as arthritis, the main offenders.

This is insane. I can't believe this - It defies logic!

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Simply amazing! Totally counter-intuitive! But very true... doctors kill people! They don't mean to do that... but they do!
********************************************************************
Strike by doctors saves lives!!!
Agora Lifestyles Health Sciences Institute UK
by Hank Roelofs

When doctors in Israel took industrial action and went on strike back in 2000, it highlighted a strange phenomenon - when doctors go on strike, the death rate plummets.

In this particular instance, the death rate fell by nearly 40% over the strike period. But it's by no means an isolated example.

Back in 1973, Israeli doctors went on strike for 4 weeks and deaths fell by 50% in that month.

The same happened in Los Angeles in 1976, which saw an 18% decline in deaths during industrial action by doctors. When the strike ended and the medical machine started grinding back into action, the death rate returned to usual levels.

The same thing in Bogota in 1972. Doctors withdrew all treatments apart from emergency care. And guess what? The mortality rate went down by 35%.

It would appear therefore that the more we can avoid medical intervention in our lives, the more chance we have of living longer and healthier.

For example, medical errors account for an estimated 40,000 deaths each year in the UK, and have officially become Britain's third biggest killer behind cancer and heart disease.

That's the equivalent to a Jumbo jet-full of passengers perishing every week of the year.

In addition, serious reactions to a prescription drug are also believed to be responsible for a further 250,000 Britons being hospitalised each year - with aspirin, diuretics, warfarin and NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), commonly used for treating such things as arthritis, the main offenders.

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