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 Jeffrey  Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
It's not. Could that be because there are less people getting married? And can we please have the links to verify your source and their data... My God... I'm starting to sound like 'one of those guys'... ;)  It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 
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People here prefer being single and having fun... And as you have said, they pay the price... ;) There are multiple reasons for remaining single. There are multiple reasons for getting divorced. My father was correct in divorcing my mother. One might go so far as to say that the importance of one moral issue trumped that of another. Without going into details, I will say my father raised my older brother and I. That's rare now, and was rarer still in the 70's. When it happens, there can be some very good reasons for it. Think about it. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580470 · |
thorin belvrog  Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 
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Here in Germany, for the last 3 decades there are 2 to 3% less marriages every year in comparison to the previous year. And approximately 40% of all marriages get divorced. And this although there is a tax advantage for married people... There were 1,357,000 children born 40 years ago, compared to 780,000 in 1975, compared to 685,000 in 2005. A decrease by 50%! 150,000 more people died then were born, only in 2005. Our population shrinks by 0.2% per year despite of immigration. (All data by "Statistisches Bundesamt" - the German federal statistics office) There are already people who count the day when the last person switches the lights off here... On a website someone has stated that my former home-town (a town of still about 200,000 citizens) will be empty in 2084, because more people die or move out than people are born or move in. IMHO too many people simply see marriage and children as a fun-killer. That's why they remain single and childless, and have fun with their ONSs or short-time relationships. But life is not only party and fun, it's also responsibility and work and being together. In my opinion, the laws about divorce are too week. They should put some strict requirements which should be met before it comes to a divorce: physical/ psychic violence, or adultery - such things. Not only "I'm fed up with my spouse - I want a divorce". The same thing with abortion: I know there are heavy discussions throughout the States, and even protests for and against them - but it's easy here to abort: Don't want to bear this child? Off it goes... Even teens leaving school having had their first or second abortion! IMHO there should be more requirements too. I know, it became political now - but marriage, divorce, promiscuity, and abortion are a subject which should be discussed also here, from the religious point of view. Account frozen... ID: 580472 · |
Knightmare  Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0
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It's not. Here you go. Divorce Statistics By the way.... You didn't say anything about fewer people getting married. You just stated that divorce was on the rise. I suppose that the divorce rate going down could be attributed to the marraige rate also going down. I don't know if that is such a bad thing. Lots more people not getting married means lots more people not realizing later on that they made a mistake. Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained  Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome ID: 580510 · |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
It's not. Then the one hour marriages is not such a bad thing then? "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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In my opinion one-hour marriages are a bad thing, because they are a sign of the "fun generation" who are not willing to take up the responsibility coming with a life-long real partnership. I prefer the kind of marriage which doesn't even end with the death of one of the partners. One of my grandmothers hasn't married again since her husband died (he died in the 70's) and she even avoided sexual relationships to other men, because she believed that even this would be adultery. I believe that the only sexual relationship should be marriage. That the principle of the "True Love Waits" movement is a good one, and should be a general principle for everyone, everywhere, accepted by everybody. Isn't it even a Commandment of God that "Thou shall not commit adultery"? Haven't even Jesus and His apostles preached against promiscuity? So why are persons who claim to be Christians not willing to obey this commandment? Is it so difficult to avoid prostition and pornography, to avoid a sexual relationship unless you are sure that the person you love is the person you can live your entire life with? Marriage is not supposed to be a cage or prison, marriage is supposed to be a partnership between persons with equal rights. Account frozen... ID: 580815 · |
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I know, it became political now - but marriage, divorce, promiscuity, and abortion are a subject which should be discussed also here, from the religious point of view. Are you sure you want to go there? I've been down that road, it ain't pretty... Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you. Tell me it isn't so... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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I know, it became political now - but marriage, divorce, promiscuity, and abortion are a subject which should be discussed also here, from the religious point of view. I've been on this road for years already and even if it isn't pretty I don't even tend to leaving it. Although this road is narrow and steep, and a bit rocky too, I think it's worth it. Account frozen... ID: 580830 · |
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I've been on this road for years already and even if it isn't pretty I don't even tend to leaving it. Although this road is narrow and steep, and a bit rocky too, I think it's worth it. Hey, I'm with you... I was simply providing a little word of caution... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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[There ARE laws on sexuality in the Western world. Blue Laws. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580841 · |
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Blue Laws. Interesting... But I'd refer to them as 'suggestions' rather than 'laws'... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Jeffery, I asked a few questions of old friends back east and, weird thing, your name is known. I guess you are not paranoid because they really are out to get you. Please provide links to these so-called friends. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580848 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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I think this because of things he has said. Please provide links to his previous posts that leave absolutely no doubt as to his supposed seditious comments. I do not want a single link to one where it seems seditious by subjective interpretations by someone such as yourself and a few others that comb these threads. Find me any fitting the latter description and I will provide you alternative interpretations. Find me one fitting the first description and I will leave you to you attempts to protect the free world, with the help of your friends back east. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580852 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Blue Laws. Then read the many pages more closely, because, if the information on these pages is to be believed, there have been some recent arrests for breaking these blue "suggestions." Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580853 · |
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I've already said it many time before... While we claim to be a 'christian nation' the reality is that we are not... We are a nation of 'religious freedom', meaning that there shall be no laws made respecting any religion, as stated in the constitution... Even God Himself granted us freewill, and that should never be taken away by anybody... Not to mention, we put ourselves in this situation by our own written contradiction of ethical standards in the first place... Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spreading the word of God, but I'm also against forcing religious laws upon people who aren't religious... Islamic societies are a whole different story... Islam itself means 'submission to the will of God' and Muslim means 'one who submits to the will of God'... That being said, they are a nation of people who enjoy following religious laws established by God and do not find them burdensome or unjust... They are exercising their freewill as well... If one decides not to follow Gods laws they are welcome to move to a country more suitable to their new found belief system, such as one in the western world... I've always thought that America could have saved themselves billions of dollars by 'rescuing' those in the Islamic societies who have decided to oppose Gods laws with a plane ticket to America and welfare support for the rest of their lives... If that sounds expensive to you, consider the overall cost of our current strategy to 'help' those people... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Is it religion? Is it politics? Or is it both? Either way I call it an abomination. And re-play the Rodney King, 1992, video over and over, as well? Let's say, for the sake of argument, the sub-titles represent an accurate translation. Have you sought out videos where Muslims have spoken out against 9/11? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 581047 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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What is your point and how does it relate to what I said? I also work and talk with Muslims every day. And how do you feel about them? What do they say about these issues? Do you believe them or not? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 581048 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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I think this because of things he has said. I still want links from BillHyland and DogBytes. Here's a little trick you may not know of. To quickly jump to much older posts ... Go to the user profile ... Scroll down ... Go the next 10 posts ... then change the off-set from, say, 10 to , say, 1000, like this ... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_user_posts.php?userid=230276&offset=1000 Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 581049 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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While I await the links, let's address a recent claim of D/B's regarding Jeffrey's statements ... D/B claimed Jeffrey said "I don't believe the Muslims were responsible for 9/11" or something along those lines. Correct, D/B?
2) Jeffrey, if the answer to the first is yes, were the planes hi-jacked by middle eastern men? 3) Jeffrey, if the answer to the second is yes, were these men ones who believed they were following some version of Islamic faith? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 581050 · |
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