Johan wrote:

It would be interesting though to know how now overdue WU's will be treated in respect of being counted as within time or not. It is also a question of whether to abort pending uploads to decrease my own network traffic due to connect attempts to nonresponding server. I'm inclined to flush results and not bother with SETI anymore.

Johan

It was already stated that the validators are turned off, meaning that late results will not be late and can still be turned in.

Also, if you want to help decrease the load, you can always suspend SETI for a week or so until this all blows over.

You can do as you feel you must. It's my opinion that "not bothering" with SETI anymore all because they're having a few problems in a science experiment that they never claimed they'd have 100% uptime to begin with is a little rash.

I wonder why noone's yet suggested summary execution? I mean...it's not that cold out any more, right? No wait...that's not it...nevermind...

Keep it up, boys! I'm sure you'll beat that new server into submission in good time...

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Ok, don't talk ... but if possibe read, think and act.

I have written, in an other thread

>I suggest (if possible):
>a) stop download ad accept only upload for 5~6 hours.
>b) stop upload and accept only download for 8~10 hours.
>
>Tomorrow we can see if things are going better.

if the problem is congestion, it's better to separate traffic.

Here in Alps we have tunnels
In some congestion periods we have this solution:
a) 1 hour of traffic in one direction, on both ways
b) 1 hour of traffic in the opposite direction.
less conflicts, more speed.

I know that IP packets are non cars but
if you give priority to one direction (upoload)
and then to the other (download) or viceversa,
(o vercevisa) I thik that yon can better manage
bottlenecks.

And, by the way, remember man, you ALWAYS HAVE A BOTTLENECK,

Any system under stress must have one.

In this moment I think it is communication
so if you divide and separe (if possible)
the traffic, you can better reach out goal.

Bye
Franz

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Is there a way to send the results? I don't care about the credits, but some of the results will expire tomorrow.

I don't know about you guys, but I am wondering about, when i open setiathome pages, I end up with 2 windows open, does anyonme else have this problem, and could it be related to upload problems ????

Depends how you open the pages. There have been reports that:

If you open the pages using the buttons in the BOINC manager,
and you're using BOINC v5.8.15 or BOINC v5.8.16
and your default browser in Windows is Internet Explorer 6

then you get two browser windows open. It's an irritation, but not a show-stopper: and no, it's not related to the upload problems - those earlier reports date back about two months ago.

I've run into this, and one of the windows never shows anything... I wonder why? (rig is a celeron 2.6, Win XP home, IE 6) Is this a bug in 5.8.15 (carried into 5.8.16)???

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Hello, from Albany, CA!...

I seem to be up/downloading Ok today albeit with short delays. What happens to all the wu's Seti thought it sent at the beginning of the outage but I never receive. Will they just eventually get resent to others?

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Is there a way to send the results? I don't care about the credits, but some of the results will expire tomorrow.

I don't know about you guys, but I am wondering about, when i open setiathome pages, I end up with 2 windows open, does anyonme else have this problem, and could it be related to upload problems ????

Depends how you open the pages. There have been reports that:

If you open the pages using the buttons in the BOINC manager,
and you're using BOINC v5.8.15 or BOINC v5.8.16
and your default browser in Windows is Internet Explorer 6

then you get two browser windows open. It's an irritation, but not a show-stopper: and no, it's not related to the upload problems - those earlier reports date back about two months ago.

I've run into this, and one of the windows never shows anything... I wonder why? (rig is a celeron 2.6, Win XP home, IE 6) Is this a bug in 5.8.15 (carried into 5.8.16)???

I'm running 5.8.16, on XP, but using IE7; and the bug you describe doesn't occur.

Hey bit a newb here. seti is trying to upload all it's wu to the server and it seems to be causing my servers to kinda stop working. why i don' know. anyway can i detach from the project and not lose all the wu that are compleated.?

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Its all ok guys... Keep up your good work... Iam new to SETI and was a hard core cruncher.... bit worried about losing grade in the stats list...

I have a problem... Work datas are being downloaded... but not completed... Can anyone tell me what happened???

Niranjan

Log Jam, due to extremely high high traffic after extended outage. They might be able to ease the situation a little when they get to work in a couple of hours :D

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

still can not down load from Seti??? when will we be able to get new work from seti????

Woohoo, after a few days delay I finally got new work units. You guys have been working so hard and as countless other people have said, keep up the good work guys and remember, the signal is out there (SOMEWHERE!)

still can not down load from Seti??? when will we be able to get new work from seti????

Is trickling through VEEERY slowly, It'll come :D

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Hey bit a newb here. seti is trying to upload all it's wu to the server and it seems to be causing my servers to kinda stop working. why i don' know. anyway can i detach from the project and not lose all the wu that are compleated.?

Nope. Detach and you lose what hasn't been uploaded.

You might try to just suspend SETI (rather than detach) until they get these recent problems sorted out. Or just exit out of BOINC Manager to stop the process on your server.

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Hey bit a newb here. seti is trying to upload all it's wu to the server and it seems to be causing my servers to kinda stop working. why i don' know. anyway can i detach from the project and not lose all the wu that are compleated.?

When you detach, the client should remove all files, which would including finished work I'd assume. Work you've already sent in, i.e. credit, won't change, but detaching isn't really necessary, just suspend the project.

If you, or anyone else, is looking for something to keep your systems busy while SETI is ramping back up, go to www.boincstats.com and browse through the list of projects. Maybe there's something there you'd like, and since they're all BOINC, adding a project to keep your computer(s) busy for a few days is quick and easy (as is suspending the other project(s) when SETI is back up). Just a thought.

Edit*: To clarify, boincstats is not a project, it's just a stats site that happens to have a list of the majority of BOINC projects including links to their home pages (in the server status list).

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From what Matt has posted, it seems that it is a combination of outage log jams (perhaps made a bit worse by the 'standard outage' on Tuesday for backup while the existing log jam was still in high form PLUS other hardware and configuration issues which are resulting in communication saturation storms at perhaps a lower sustained traffic rate then they should be capable of.

I'm hoping that deadlines are getting pushed out -- I have a batch of work units with due days of 5/18 -- most of them have been completed for several days and simply can't upload due to the problems on site. A few folks (including me) had mentioned this point earlier during the outage, and at that time the response was on the order of 'since uploads can process in theory' there is no reason to push out due dates. I guess my response at this point, is, OK -- don't push out the theoretical due date, just the actual due date since, notwithstanding the theory, the reality is that uploads ain't happening. It seemed to me that in the midst of other issues, there was a bit of reality aversion there.

Log Jam, due to extremely high high traffic after extended outage. They might be able to ease the situation a little when they get to work in a couple of hours :D

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Ok, don't talk ... but if possibe read, think and act.

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Bye
Franz

Well, Franz, in fact it's possible, but:

1.-All the requests continues, so the connection will be dropped anyway

2.-The servers are working continuosly, and the bottleneck isn't the main problem (remember they're retiring some servers),'cause this project is worldwide.

3.-The best way (and that's what they're doing) is to limit the ammount of concurrent connections. The problem is that the rest are dropped out.

4.-The way that boinc client uploads/downloads is an FTP server like, so, you can't to set the maximum of upload speed and/or download speed 'cause it depends the FTP command you use (It's a persistent connection on both sides, not only to up/download: for commands too)

And sure that there're many more important technical reasons ;)

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Its all ok guys... Keep up your good work... Iam new to SETI and was a hard core cruncher.... bit worried about losing grade in the stats list...

I have a problem... Work datas are being downloaded... but not completed... Can anyone tell me what happened???

Niranjan

More than likely this is simply related to remaining issues from the outage. WUs have been assigned to you, but the connection for the actual download can't be established due to the traffic, etc. Just be patient, the team is clearly working hard and the best thing we can do is be patient and not update/retry all the time since that only compounds the problem.

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About the bottleneck:
This graph is the current month net activity to sah servers:

see cricket graphs for more

You can see the outtagge, normal activity (allways on the maximum of capacity), and the current communication problems: No many different graph from a month ago.

The main problem is on Bruno: Before the outtage, all the traffic is redirected to all the servers, but now, the most of traffic is on Bruno's buffer.

If you see the server status, you'll see sometimes bruno working', sometimes not: Bruno is overloaded.

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I wanted to ask if leaving the Network Communication from my computer to the Seti server on, would that cause any kind of trouble with work units trying to upload/ download?

I have had it in the past where i have had client errors on WUs because they can't connect or partially connect then disconnect when reporting/ uploading/ downloading!

Sorry if this has been covered already!

:o)

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Life Is Too Short To Worry About The Little Things

But the most important, nobody from the Seti team answer about it !!!
Of course they have other problems to solve, but a new post about it will be welcome !!!

Do you want them to report every hour, or do you want them to spend what precious little time they have working on the problem? Knowing that they are working on it should be good enough, and have faith that they will solve the problem eventually. You'll know they did their job when it is working again.

Besides the fact that this was posted at 0400 Berkeley time, when nobody is at the lab? All the project team was probably asleep!

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Hello, from Albany, CA!...

Is there a way to send the results? I don't care about the credits, but some of the results will expire tomorrow.

I don't know about you guys, but I am wondering about, when i open setiathome pages, I end up with 2 windows open, does anyonme else have this problem, and could it be related to upload problems ????

Depends how you open the pages. There have been reports that:

If you open the pages using the buttons in the BOINC manager,
and you're using BOINC v5.8.15 or BOINC v5.8.16
and your default browser in Windows is Internet Explorer 6

then you get two browser windows open. It's an irritation, but not a show-stopper: and no, it's not related to the upload problems - those earlier reports date back about two months ago.

I've run into this, and one of the windows never shows anything... I wonder why? (rig is a celeron 2.6, Win XP home, IE 6) Is this a bug in 5.8.15 (carried into 5.8.16)???

I'm running 5.8.16, on XP, but using IE7; and the bug you describe doesn't occur.

What advantage (if any...) is there to IE7, other than not being subject to the bug in question? I've held off upgrading until someone (not from Micro$oft) explains any advantage.

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Hello, from Albany, CA!...