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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Know you are hard at work on the upload issue. Interesting thing happened. One of my machines seems to have become fixated on getting work form Seti/Seti Beta. In any case the BOINC scheduler let the machine run out of work even though there are other projects the machine is attached to. I don't know if it is the parcitular error messages that BOINC is getting back make it think work will be forthcoming shortly or if the errors aren't being understood by BOINC to mean, move on to the next project, ignore the user work percent for this project. Right now we will call it a feature, but one thing I'm sure of, this particular kind of failure will show up in some project in the future. BOINC ought to be taught that after some number of retrys to get work downloads and the machine is idle, move on to the next project it can get work from. Thanks for all the hard work. Gary We had the usual outage today which was mostly a success. The database compressed and was backed up in just over an hour. Normally this takes almost twice as long but the result table has significantly shrunk over the past two weeks (wonder why?). After that we put the new thumper in the closet (we being me, Eric, Jeff, and Kevin - it's a heavy machine). We also rebooted bruno to cleanly pick up a new disk (replacing a failed disk from yesterday). And I rebooted penguin to attach koloth's old tape drive to it (so it could read the classic data tapes for splitting). |
archae86 Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 909 Credit: 1,582,816 RAC: 0 |
Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982) The C in the middle of your part number means this was the CMOS part--a completely new design done several years after the depletion NMOS 80186 by an entirely different design team. The double copyright appears to say that it has significant intellectual property from the 80186, and that the design work on it started about four years later. I don't know how many features were added, but a CMOS implementation had to be a complete new design from top to bottom and the circuit and layout level anyway, so possibly some of the extravagant claims in this thread for feature insertions long after the start are in fact references to the 80C186. I do suspect if the Garmin rumor is true that it is a use of the CMOS version, as power conservation in a hand-held GPS receiver is a strong motivation. |
Garry Webb Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 40 Credit: 13,561,408 RAC: 0 |
Perhaps in the true spirit of debugging, I should uninstall "BOINC" and then reinstall "Boinc" Nothing else including patience seems to be working for me as to the mysterious missing downloads>On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost. Yep! That worked on the second computer also. |
Philadelphia Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0 |
(blush) I still remember my badge number, 171xxx. If you can get access to the old personnel data base you can find out who I am, lol. I worked in their Phoenix, Costa Mesa and Pittsburg offices. It was a good time gone bad. |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
I think we are succeeding with the impossible here:-) We are both wrong and correct at the same time:-) I did a dawn raid and whonked open the Mistral at the local computer museum and lo and behold. It had a R80186 chip inside running at 10MHz. The OP was DR DOS. I can't really wouch for the compatability, but it has WordPerfect on the 10MB HDD so it should have been pretty close at least. Probably around Compaq compatibility (98%) or so. Some more checking with our resident old-timer engineer from those days revealed that the 186 was easy to overclock with just a change of clock-chrystal. You could even overclock them with a set of pliers and squesing the chrystal if your nerves were up to it. The fastest he ever ran a 186 was apparantly in 20MHz cooled by a very rudimentary homebuilt peltier. He also said that the upgraded chips with onboard goodies only have a copyright year of 1982, not stating the 1978. Effectively making them into a 80186/II. And the R80186 had just the 82. Strangeness all around. It seems like they built two widely different chips under the same name. Carl It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982) There are more versions. There are at least 30 of them that are obsolete and a further ten still in production according to Intels homepage. Here is a place where you can look at the classical models of them. Inccredible amount of sexy 186es Carl It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
Shaggy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3 Credit: 16,943,654 RAC: 0 |
And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068. That was my first computer. I learn'd alot from that. Not just playing games. |
Lycanthrope Send message Joined: 27 May 05 Posts: 31 Credit: 1,338,589 RAC: 0 |
On the subject of optimised apps - can anyone point me in the direction of one for my Mac Pro Intel Xeon? Yep, got it cheers Odysseus - now just need some WU's I did get a WU on my work laptop though and was able to run the optimised Pentium M client, he he, it was nearly 50% quicker :-) |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068. In the end I had to cut out the sides and the backside of my Spectrum so it could sprout out all the flatcables:-) Ah, fond memories of the days when you upgraded by soldering "flatties" straight onto the motherboard. Best upgrade was to install a Z80 co-processor... *Nerdvana* Carl It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
Zornak Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 3 Credit: 500,767 RAC: 0 |
And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068. Ah, you don't know the power until you stand behind a CPU the size of an upright freezer and start plugging in inch thick cables just to get it to talk to the world. How many remember "core". How many actually saw a core bank with a soldering gun in their hand? Yes, "Ah, fond memories of the days..." --- Dennis |
GreggyBee Send message Joined: 9 Mar 01 Posts: 203 Credit: 1,600,521 RAC: 0 |
Sorry for interrupting your fond reminiscences, folks, but I thought you might like to know that there's a workaround available, if you're running an optimised app. Simon of KWSN has endorsed it: check this thread. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=39484#568090 hope it works for you, and you can forget about dusting down your tandies, BBC's, Nimbi, AT, XT, etc, and get back to looking for ET and co. 8D |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068. Actually I do... I am the GodFather of the Behemoth Computational Cube. A real computer needs to be serviced weekly by a guy checking the plumbing for the coolant system:-) A real computer is something that you can step into:-) A real computer has hundreds of blue diods infront:-) A real computer comes with a complimentary couch running around it:-) A real computer looks like a strange geometric figure spanning an acre when seen from above:-) A real computer runs on an OS noone ever heard about:-) I could go on and on... Carl It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
seti@elrcastor.com Send message Joined: 30 Jan 00 Posts: 35 Credit: 4,879,559 RAC: 0 |
ah, must be describing a cray, possibly a ymp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_Y-MP |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
Shamelesly admitting that I was heavily inspired by Cray when I built the BCC. But the couch was a nogo for the reason of accessability. It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
There was a Real Programmer entry. The only part that I remember was: a Real Programmer can write FORTRAN programs in any language. Tullio |
computerguy09 Send message Joined: 3 Aug 99 Posts: 80 Credit: 9,570,364 RAC: 3 |
(blush) My badge was 142xxx - joined DEC in March 1983, survived the Compaq and now HP mergers, and will be taking early retirement from HP at the end of May after 24 years. Spent all my time in NC offices. Been thru the good and bad times, got frustrated and decided it was time for a new challenge. Mark |
darkstarz1 Send message Joined: 29 Mar 03 Posts: 43 Credit: 1,333,019 RAC: 0 |
Got this lot (underneath)-can't download anything on SETI; -riesel sieve =no problem-I'm starting to get pissy coz my other pc is working fine crunching both riesel AND SETI, altho' Riesel keeps APPEARING to take precedence, over crunching seti WU's;...any advice appreciated - have removed & reinstalled BOINC, 3x, in the last hour to try get SETI up and running again - no show???! Oh, yeh, Man U for the cup 2morrow (UK) 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Starting BOINC client version 5.8.16 for windows_intelx86 19/05/2007 02:50:39||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Libraries: libcurl/7.16.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC 19/05/2007 02:50:39|SETI@home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ [x86 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2] [fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 3dnow mmx] 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 1.85 GB virtual 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Disk: 275.08 GB total, 260.88 GB free 19/05/2007 02:50:39|Riesel Sieve Project|URL: http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/; Computer ID: 16363; location: home; project prefs: default 19/05/2007 02:50:39|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 2961516; location: (none); project prefs: default 19/05/2007 02:50:39||General prefs: from Riesel Sieve Project (last modified 2007-05-11 18:47:58) 19/05/2007 02:50:39||Host location: home 19/05/2007 02:50:39||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults 19/05/2007 02:52:54|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 19/05/2007 02:52:54|SETI@home|Requesting 1728000 seconds of new work 19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error 19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 25 min 40 sec 19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Reason: scheduler request failed So! is this my pc, or me being a nod? or is it STILL the server problem??... Thanks! |
Odysseus Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1808 Credit: 6,701,347 RAC: 6 |
So! is this my pc, or me being a nod? or is it STILL the server problem??... It’s not just you: Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work [color=red]Fri 18 May 20:29:04 2007|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error[/color] Fri 18 May 20:29:04 2007|SETI@home|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work Fri 18 May 20:31:27 2007||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site Fri 18 May 20:31:29 2007||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. [color=red]Fri 18 May 20:31:31 2007|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: server returned nothing (no headers, no data)[/color] Meanwhile I have three Beta results trying to get reported: Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta_cgi/cgi Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Reason: To report completed tasks Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work, and reporting 3 completed tasks [color=red]Fri 18 May 20:12:20 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error[/color] Moreover I’m only getting deferral times of a minute or so, which means a lot of server-hammering. I’ve suspended both projects until there’s further news. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
I have been getting work units most of today and the load seems to have dropped off the server. If you have not seen it, check the message on the home page as I was not able to get the flow going till I dropped Bionc and restarted it. |
Philadelphia Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0 |
(blush) I wish I would have survived it, but didn't :( I was laid off in mid '93. after 9 years I would have loved to stay on, but sh*t happens. I have more stories, I could write a book. Remember when they had the failed "stores". Congrats to you :) |
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