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Message 569746 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 20:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 569736.  

On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost.


SSSShhhhh! All is running like clockwork. ...and the graph is pointing upwards again.

Well done to all concerned. At least one customer is happy.


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.

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Message 569753 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 20:13:09 UTC - in response to Message 569170.  

WOW. Just looked at my account page. Been with seti for eight years TODAY. Happy Anniversary Seti



Same here!! Good ol' SETI, can't believe it's been that long. Happy crunching!

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Message 569759 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 20:24:08 UTC - in response to Message 569746.  


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.


Please check out the thread over in Number Crunching titled "Ghost WU issue (and some talk about deadlines)"...

Once there, take a look and see if you have HTTP Internal server error messages in your messages tab.
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Message 569760 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 20:28:12 UTC - in response to Message 569753.  

Funny fact of my life:

Today I have been 12 years at the place where I work.

Tomorrow I will have been 8 years with Seti in its different incarnations.
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Message 569815 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 21:39:18 UTC - in response to Message 569720.  

(blush)
1st PC I ever used was a DEC Rainbow.
It used a 8088 cpu from which the 80186 was descended....


It's too bad that DEC never figured out where to fit into the PC marketplace. They really knew the mini-computer world though.


I wish they did too - I worked for DEC for 9 years in finance, from '84 to '93. At one point they employed nearly 160,000 people, when I left, they were down to 80,000.
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Message 569823 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 21:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 569815.  

(blush)
1st PC I ever used was a DEC Rainbow.
It used a 8088 cpu from which the 80186 was descended....


It's too bad that DEC never figured out where to fit into the PC marketplace. They really knew the mini-computer world though.


I wish they did too - I worked for DEC for 9 years in finance, from '84 to '93. At one point they employed nearly 160,000 people, when I left, they were down to 80,000.

I worked for them from 75 to 80.. had a badge number under 30,000. I left them because they kept me on the road and planes all the time and I seldom got to see my kids. It was a great company, but they just didn't ever get the marketing right.
When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.
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Message 569824 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 21:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 569760.  
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Funny fact of my life:

Today I have been 12 years at the place where I work.

Tomorrow I will have been 8 years with Seti in its different incarnations.


Congratulations with your membership of the 8 Year Club. Greetings (and a new plaque) in the team's SETI forum.
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Message 569826 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 21:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 569760.  
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Funny fact of my life:

Today I have been 12 years at the place where I work.

Tomorrow I will have been 8 years with Seti in its different incarnations.

Ha funny I just realized that I will have 8 years as well tomorrow, and have been retired for almost 12 years. It would be nice to get some work units for the anaversary
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Message 569832 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 22:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 569746.  

On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost.


SSSShhhhh! All is running like clockwork. ...and the graph is pointing upwards again.

Well done to all concerned. At least one customer is happy.


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.


Perhaps in the true spirit of debugging, I should uninstall "BOINC" and then reinstall "Boinc" Nothing else including patience seems to be working for me as to the mysterious missing downloads>

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Message 569847 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 22:40:25 UTC - in response to Message 569832.  

On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost.


SSSShhhhh! All is running like clockwork. ...and the graph is pointing upwards again.

Well done to all concerned. At least one customer is happy.


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.


Perhaps in the true spirit of debugging, I should uninstall "BOINC" and then reinstall "Boinc" Nothing else including patience seems to be working for me as to the mysterious missing downloads>

Leaving it alone and letting BOINC do its thing is the best thing to do.

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Message 569893 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 23:51:47 UTC - in response to Message 569847.  

Leaving it alone and letting BOINC do its thing is the best thing to do.


Actually, as there are ongoing upload/download problems here -- perhaps not all are related to the server crash two weeks ago -- rather than leave things alone and let BOINC do its thing, perhaps the smarter approach would be to suspend or detach from SETI and focus on currently operational projects.

I am sure that within the next couple of weeks, SETI will return to its normal operation (though perhaps with a lower participant level which might be a good thing), but in the interim giving SETI a rest might be better.

Don't be misled by the 'all green' -- at the moment, that doesn't quite reflect the status of SETI -- it is possible that the hardware is reporting green, but there are still major overloads for upload/download which the current configuration apparently simply can't handle.


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Message 569896 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 23:55:29 UTC - in response to Message 568188.  

I remember back in the early days of SETI/BOINC there was no weekly scheduled outage...


I remember back when the Internet was text based too lol... :)
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Message 569897 - Posted: 17 May 2007, 23:59:06 UTC - in response to Message 569893.  

Leaving it alone and letting BOINC do its thing is the best thing to do.


Actually, as there are ongoing upload/download problems here -- perhaps not all are related to the server crash two weeks ago -- rather than leave things alone and let BOINC do its thing, perhaps the smarter approach would be to suspend or detach from SETI and focus on currently operational projects.

I am sure that within the next couple of weeks, SETI will return to its normal operation (though perhaps with a lower participant level which might be a good thing), but in the interim giving SETI a rest might be better.

Don't be misled by the 'all green' -- at the moment, that doesn't quite reflect the status of SETI -- it is possible that the hardware is reporting green, but there are still major overloads for upload/download which the current configuration apparently simply can't handle.


I meant that uninstalling and reinstalling the software has no purpose, it wouldn't help the situation at all.

As a matter of fact, I have turned off my SETI machines that have no work. I still have one machine crunching, but it will be done sometime tomorrow, and two others crunching Einstein.


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Message 569924 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 0:48:47 UTC - in response to Message 569530.  

On the subject of optimised apps - can anyone point me in the direction of one for my Mac Pro Intel Xeon?

There’s a sticky thread in the Number Crunching forum: here’s the most recent posting from Alex Kan, with links to the latest optimized apps for Mac.

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Message 569930 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 1:03:05 UTC - in response to Message 568133.  

proof positive that the old adage "Never replace more than one item at a time or you'll never know what fixed it" or in this case, what broked it..lol...one day and it hopefully wont be long now, we'll look back at this record setting outage and say 'phewww!'...keep up the good work..a lot of us can relate to what you're going through...

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Message 569933 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 1:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 569760.  

Funny fact of my life:
Today I have been 12 years at the place where I work.
Tomorrow I will have been 8 years with Seti in its different incarnations.


Only 4 years for me now, but also started in may... weird
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Message 569950 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 1:29:56 UTC - in response to Message 569336.  


Hey, anyone (other than me) ever see a 186?


Last time I saw 186, I think I was in 6th grade :(


Looks like a 286, only slower than most 286's (they stayed at 8 Mhz)... they were used for dedicated applications. The one I have is on a SCSI card, (SCSI-2, 50 HD pins) no longer in my computer.




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Your actually wrong. Intel got pissed at IBM after the 8086PC and wanted someone else to build the nextgen PC. The bid was crazily enough given to the SLT/Telenova in Sweden. They received the 80186 on a you build you get/no else gets kind of a deal. And for four years they developed and had Intel redevelop the 186 so that it had a lot more functionality onboard than it initialy had. Then they all of a sudden decided to sell it to schools only and in the end SLT/Telenova bankcrupted. After that Bull and Mistral built standard PC clones using the 186.
Strange thing is that a lot of the features of the 186 as hyperburst, multilayer cache, on-board memory controllers and stuff was not Intels copyright but SLTs. So that's why there where things on the 186 that was not on the 286, 386 and 486. And in the end Intel had to change the name into Pentium to break the patent so to speak.
Top spead of 186 was actually 16MHz.

Wow, I knew something about computers that Chicken didn't:-)

Carl


Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982)

As I heard it, Inte£ changed the name to Pentium™, because the US patent office refused to trademark a number! (I.E. 486, or 80486)
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Message 569957 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 1:37:12 UTC - in response to Message 569550.  
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With Seti I would expect that with the ongoing problems having been aged quite a bit that we may be looking into some time next week before the storm passes (assuming something else doesn't go bump in the night). I'm inclined to simply keep my SETI stuff on Suspend for the duration. When (if) things get to normal, I will put SETI back on my active projects list -- until then, it is something of a waste of time.


[snip]

It seems the only projects awarding credits smoothly and running 'normal' at the moment are World Grid, Rosetta, and Climate. Right now, those are the projects picking up the slack provided by the troubled SETI and Einstein projects.


Folding@home is doin' pretty well, too...



Good morning/afternoon/evening (delete as applicable)

I'm receiving and uploading WU's OK it would appear but I'm not getting any credit - there are many in "pending" credit status. I read through the latest threads but couldn't clearly see if this was one of the current global problems or not.

The funny thing is that I have the same thing hapenning with Enstein also??

On the subject of optimised apps - can anyone point me in the direction of one for my Mac Pro Intel Xeon?

Cheers!



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Message 569978 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 2:07:18 UTC - in response to Message 569897.  
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Leaving it alone and letting BOINC do its thing is the best thing to do.


Actually, as there are ongoing upload/download problems here -- perhaps not all are related to the server crash two weeks ago -- rather than leave things alone and let BOINC do its thing, perhaps the smarter approach would be to suspend or detach from SETI and focus on currently operational projects.

I am sure that within the next couple of weeks, SETI will return to its normal operation (though perhaps with a lower participant level which might be a good thing), but in the interim giving SETI a rest might be better.

Don't be misled by the 'all green' -- at the moment, that doesn't quite reflect the status of SETI -- it is possible that the hardware is reporting green, but there are still major overloads for upload/download which the current configuration apparently simply can't handle.


I meant that uninstalling and reinstalling the software has no purpose, it wouldn't help the situation at all.

As a matter of fact, I have turned off my SETI machines that have no work. I still have one machine crunching, but it will be done sometime tomorrow, and two others crunching Einstein.


Try restarting the BOINC manager - that helped me (and as I just realize I'm not the only one) some minutes ago after effortless trying to UL/DL results/new WUs for hours...

Other BOINC projects are running smooth: why not give a chance to Proteins@home (small WUs which finish in 20% of the time SETI-WUs require) or climate-prediction (larger WUs which require 400x space and time!) - you don't have to run idle machines just because SETI is hickupping ;-)
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Message 569991 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 2:29:48 UTC - in response to Message 569832.  

On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost.


SSSShhhhh! All is running like clockwork. ...and the graph is pointing upwards again.

Well done to all concerned. At least one customer is happy.


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.


Perhaps in the true spirit of debugging, I should uninstall "BOINC" and then reinstall "Boinc" Nothing else including patience seems to be working for me as to the mysterious missing downloads>

O. K. I detached from Setiathome, Then reattached to setiathome. Guess what. I got one work unit. I did seem to lose my optimized program though. that can be fixed later.
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