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I'd say we already have been contacted, and it's been covered up...

Has anyone read "That Hideous Strength", by C.S. Lewis? Basically, one of the postulates for the story (and the series) is that "Mankind" has been contacted by "aliens" ("Macrobes", in the book): the only reason(s) most people don't know about it is... we aren't 'intelligent enough' to keep their attention, while their passive influence is the main "driving force" behind 'History'.

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I'd say we already have been contacted, and it's been covered up...

Agreed. But they missed hiding everything.



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As milky way galaxy spans over 180 000 light years very probable estimated contact timing is in 20k-180k years.

Or if we manage to discover something faster information spreading phenomenon in the universe within next few centuries the time will greatly reduce.

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Mandtugai!

I'm sure the signal is out there. It just has not reached us yet. Maybe when someone sees our signals they will return one back in our direction. :)

I'd say that any aliens capable of making contact with us are probably already aware of us and are waiting for us to grow-up enough to be worth interacting with.

We've got a long way to go....

I'd say that any aliens capable of making contact with us are probably already aware of us and are waiting for us to grow-up enough to be worth interacting with.

We've got a long way to go....

Considering wars and crimes 100% agree with you!

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Mandtugai!

just read this thread for the 1st time.

Gecko R7, nice posts.

Most have been saying 500-1000 years or more. However, do you think that in that time, mankind may have inproved on it's space exploration & have ships capable of travel by then.

If so, is it possible to come into contact with "ET"?

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Personally I reckon "ET" knows we are here already, but wont make contact until we have reached world peace. After all we are destroying our own planet in more ways than one.

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I'd say that any aliens capable of making contact with us are probably already aware of us and are waiting for us to grow-up enough to be worth interacting with.

We've got a long way to go....

Considering wars and crimes 100% agree with you!

Most likely this is not so. Radio, TV and Television would be our only footprint--these have not been around except for the past century at most- If they heard us then we would have heard them assuming that they have developed the same forms of communication during the same approximate time frame. There are very few stars 100 light years out from Earth to begin with. There are not really that many out to 1000 light years from Earth. So I doubt if anyone knows we are here--we are not (as far as I know) beaming any type of beacon signal; so that even 1000 years from now it is unlikely that enough energy will reach a civilization 1000 light years distant to announce our presence. If all civilizations behave in the same way then what we are doing with SETI in my opinion is a big Joke. We at best might learn of a civilization that is out there far distant--one that wants to be found and beams a calling card in a high-energy narrow band signal that we could pick up. A dialog is next to impossible.

Just knowing that someone is there is what it's all about. Why don't we invest in the next millenium and beam our hello out to the stars??

To hear the critics of Drake equation and Fermi paradox; if we haven't heard from ETs by now we're not going to ever hear from them. This is conventional wisdom as opposed to thinking outside the box.

Scientists have based their assumptions on what it took humans to travel to the moon, what it took humans to make advancements in communications, computers, etc. They haven't or won't take into consideration that ETs could have possibly overcome the limitations that have held humans to terra firma.

Or maybe they (Gov't scientist)already know but won't tell us for fear of a panicky population, they're probably already here and may have been here for a very long time...who knows?

To hear the critics of Drake equation and Fermi paradox; if we haven't heard from ETs by now we're not going to ever hear from them. This is conventional wisdom as opposed to thinking outside the box.

Scientists have based their assumptions on what it took humans to travel to the moon, what it took humans to make advancements in communications, computers, etc. They haven't or won't take into consideration that ETs could have possibly overcome the limitations that have held humans to terra firma.

Or maybe they (Gov't scientist)already know but won't tell us for fear of a panicky population, they're probably already here and may have been here for a very long time...who knows?

The Drake equation is fine. The uncertainty associated with each of the terms however is quite large. The apparent hindrance to exploration could be the large distances between habitable planets--may take hundreds of years to travel from one habitable planet to another--This assumes , say, one tenth the speed of light travel velocity.

Most likely any civilization would not undertake a trip of this length.

Unless a civilization has learned how to harness the energy of an entire star; or learned how to find a way to swoop down a wormhole; or otherwise warp space they may well be too far for a visit. They would also need to know where habitable planets are--this would be hard to do at enormous distances--let's say that they knew Earth was inhabited--then this would not necessarily be a good candidate for colonization in the first place --hence the FERMI PARADOX.

I find it extrodinarily difficult to imagine that our Government is keeping this kind of secret from us. It would leak out-- I assume they would be just as incompetant in this matter as they are in most other areas of intelligence and scientific vision.---and since we seem to be getting along well with these existing aliens--what would be the harm in announcing their presence ??

"Them Paranoids are after us"---Daddio

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I assume they would be just as incompetant in this matter as they are in most other areas of intelligence and scientific vision

I'm really intrigued by the (somewhat David Icke-inspired) concept that this incompetence may actually be staged - in order to plant seeds of doubt, on which we can base such conclusions. I realize it's a circular argument, but if a Majestic 12-style organization were indeed real, I'm confident they'd do everything in their power to maintain ultimate secrecy. To be honest, I wouldn't blame them!

Like yourself, William, I too am skeptical as to the possibility of guarding such an epic conspiracy. However, just off the top of my head - whistle-blowers like Gordon Cooper spring to mind. Has he ever been discredited? I don't know too much about him, apart from his cover-up accusations. Something else that I find truly baffling is the O'Hare airport incident. We're bombarded with 24-hours of intense news coverage, and as quickly as it arose - the entire story is forgotten! Was the cause of this incident ever disclosed? Again, I plead ignorance because I've heard nothing of it since the actual occurrence.

Finally, the Phoenix Lights are also very interesting. On one side, the story's been "officially" debunked - but on the other, we have a string of lucid and reputable eye-witnesses who swear they saw the actual "body" of a massive craft fly overhead - not just points of light.

If it were true (aliens operating on Earth/Government involvement), I wonder how the world react. I'm really torn on this issue - because in one sense, I fully recognize the extremely primitive and reactionary nature of man, but again - would the world really dip into anarchy? I honestly don't know. Personally, I'd be elated if such information were released. It would justify years of doubt. Do I believe in extra terrestrials? Yes, fully. Do I believe that intelligent extra terrestrials are currently cooperating with the US Government, maintaining a global conspiracy? Undecided. I'm fearful that the skeptic in me is just the result of "old-age" cynicism.


I hope I don't come off as seeming combative, I'm just raising a couple points of personal interest.

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Our government has lied to us regarding radiation testing on our own civilian population from 1944-1972, about who actually fired the first shot that sent us into Vietnam...to name just two.

Our Government believes that NOT getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth. Its also fairly easy to discredit someone should they try to make public any information regarding the existence of an EBE by saying he was a disgruntled government employee who was taking medication under the supervision of a therapist and to say it in such a way that we shouldn't feel too badly the person because he is ill but we shouldn't believe him either. It is easy to influence the populace to one opinion or another rather skillfully by deflecting our attention elsewhere...

Our government also believes, as do others, that if you tell a lie enough times at some point it becomes the truth. The government may also feel that they have the right to protect the public from themselves and that admitting something such as this would cause unnecessary panic, anxiety, and paranoia. In other words we have too many issues facing the nation and to add this to the stack would be irresponsible.

The knowledge our government has of certain things is equal to the plausible deniability that it receives.

When do you think ET will contact us?

Who says that they haven't done already?
I truly believe that - being technologically far ahead of us - they are capable to be invisible for our radar and radio etc (like our stealth fighters) as long as they want to, - and if we receive a signal of them, then either by incident/luck or because they want to be seen.
And, well, maybe they already have been contacting us, but we haven't recognized it as a contact by them?

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When do you think ET will contact us?

Who says that they haven't done already? ...

Who's to say that we ourselves are not the aliens?

With the vastness of space and the time required to travel that vastness, seeding life via spores or DNA or whatever would be one way to overcome space and time...

Keep searchin',
Martin

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With the vastness of space and the time required to travel that vastness, seeding life via spores or DNA or whatever would be one way to overcome space and time...

Come back in time and visit me. Anytime ;)

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I think, that alien's will not contact us in close future, maybe children of our children will talk to them when they will be old. So about 2090-2120, not ealier

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I think, that alien's will not contact us in close future, maybe children of our children will talk to them when they will be old. So about 2090-2120, not ealier

A dialogue is very unlikely. We have heard no one out to 100 light years. Unless a civilization comes "on-line" in the radio/electronic sense in this time frame on a close-in planet, it will be next to impossible. Even at 4 to 10 light years it would be difficult to "chat". I think that the best result would be just to know someone is out there and maybe approximately where.

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I think, that alien's will not contact us in close future, maybe children of our children will talk to them when they will be old. So about 2090-2120, not ealier

A dialogue is very unlikely. We have heard no one out to 100 light years. Unless a civilization comes "on-line" in the radio/electronic sense in this time frame on a close-in planet, it will be next to impossible. Even at 4 to 10 light years it would be difficult to "chat". I think that the best result would be just to know someone is out there and maybe approximately where.

don't forget that They use other technology, language and even They may not speak by sound's, so there 'll be a problem to understand them. I think that They propably are more inteligent than humans so maybe they 'll send us "ambasadors" with gift's like new technology that we can use to contact them and understand what are they talking to us

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