Ahhhh,

Very observant!

Good job Misfit!!!

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Again, I hate to be the one throwing cold water around, but there is always room for another skeptic.

I've never seen any video footage taken from spacecraft that appeared to me to be from (intelligent) UFO's. The footage of the "spheres" in the tether footage looks like they are simply just out-of-focus ice or insulation. Spacecraft are "dirty" animals that constantly shed "dandruff". The Orbiter has all sources of "dandruff" all over it. A direct quote from James Oberg (former MCS):

"There are more than 50 sources of ice on the shuttle, plus a steady source of debris such as insulation flakes from inside the payload bay. This includes 38 primary RCS jets and 6 vernier jets (which burn the hypergolic [self-igniting] propellants of nitrogen tetroxide and hydrazine), an air dump line, a waste water dump line, a supply water dump line, two fuel cell purge lines (the hydrogen one is always leaking water), two flash evaporators, a water spray boiler, and so forth. No surprise, then, that floating debris near the shuttle is a common sight."

Sure, UFO's do exist. If you see something Flying in the sky and are Unable to identify that Object, then by definition it is a "UFO" (to you). To automatically conclude that it must be flown by Little Green (or Grey) Men is pretty silly though.

I don't know why when people see something "strange" in the sky that they automatically conclude that it must be something "official".

Example: I was once at an outdoor BBQ/party for one of my friend's children. They had a lot of those mylar ("aluminum") helium "Happy Birthday" balloons, which the kids were getting a kick out of releasing and allowing to fly away. (Hopefully, none of them later landed on power lines.) These balloons fly pretty high after being released. It is difficult to judge exactly how high they go, but it is definetly up there. Against a setting sun, they would have one convinced that they were some sort of "formation" of "craft". In fact, a few people down the street were even outside and pointing up at them. They were, however, nothing except simple helium balloons.

People also, for whatever motivation, get a kick out of doing hoaxes. Hoaxes are pretty easy to pull off these days. It could be as simple as a black kite, flown at night, with some chemlights attached. Many probably use helium balloons. I'm willing to bet that most of the "UFO's" seen over wooded areas are hoaxes. One person flies the "UFO", while they have a "spotter" located where other people are gathered. The "spotter" points up and says, "Hey, look at that!".

One of the small airfields/DZ's that I used to jump at also attracted RC aircraft enthusiasts. (They were an interesting, but strange, bunch.) One of the more eccentric RC enthusiasts had put together a saucer-type contraption. I never saw the thing actually fly, but I do have to say it was pretty impressive. He put a lot of work into the thing. It had LEDs all over it, controlled by an onboard computer -- which itself was controlled by one of the radio servos. He could control the pattern of which the LEDs illuminated. He definetly put a lot of effort (and money) into this thing, which was labeled "SAUCR". (I don't know what it stood for.) If the thing was actually capable of flight, it would had easily convinced onlookers that it was "from another world".

Why is it that all these so-called aliens are capable of flying light years across interstellar space, yet the only way they seem to be able to keep themselves "secret" is by making photographs turn out blurry? Why can't they just "cloak" themselves? We are getting to close to doing this. Better yet, why not just park themselves far enough from Earth where they can't be seen and just "spy" on us with telescopes?

I think, at least some, of the logical explanations for past "UFO's" are more intriguing than the idea of them being extraterrestrial. Carl Sagan got himself into a little bit of trouble many years ago when he offered a very reasonable explanation for some of earlier "UFO's". Sagan, especially having taken part in "Blue Book", definetly has credibility. The explanation that he gave was that in the early development of ICBM's, one of the major challenges was the delivery of warheads. The challenges being target accuracy, the warhead not being destroyed by re-entry, and setting of burst altitudes. These early tests included a lot of telemetry, vital not only to us both also the Soviets who were facing the same challenges. One of his explanations was that many "sightings" were actually high-altitude Soviet reconnaissance balloons and even aircraft. (The Roswell balloon may have even be Soviet, not American.) The US had a northern defense system, but a soft underbelly. Some of these later overflights may have been staged out of Cuba. The idea that the Soviet Union was capable of high-altitude overflights over the United States would not sit well with the public at all. They would demand action. The US government, knowing full well, that a disclosure would lead to a response by the Soviets of, "Well. The US does the same thing to us!" This would have likely led to, not military responses, but some sort of accord that would "ban" both the US and Soviet Union from overflights on one another. It would have been more political than anything else, but would have tilted a delicate "balance" that both the US and SU understood "needed" to exist. (Well, at least the people in power on both sides that wanted to keep things leaning towards "peaceful coexistence" felt that it "needed" to exist. They too, however, felt the need to "one up" the other.) If you google, there is an account of a supposed meeting between American and SU ambassadors that took place in Berlin on this very topic. Anyway, if true, it is a very intriguing piece of Cold War history. I find it be extremely plausible, especially since Sagan wrote of it.

A book that every high school student should read before being allowed to graduate:

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle In the Dark
http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469

The dandruff is traveling behind the tether, free:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Again, I hate to be the one throwing cold water around, but there is always room for another skeptic.

I've never seen any video footage taken from spacecraft that appeared to me to be from (intelligent) UFO's. The footage of the "spheres" in the tether footage looks like they are simply just out-of-focus ice or insulation. Spacecraft are "dirty" animals that constantly shed "dandruff". The Orbiter has all sources of "dandruff" all over it. A direct quote from James Oberg (former MCS):

"There are more than 50 sources of ice on the shuttle, plus a steady source of debris such as insulation flakes from inside the payload bay. This includes 38 primary RCS jets and 6 vernier jets (which burn the hypergolic [self-igniting] propellants of nitrogen tetroxide and hydrazine), an air dump line, a waste water dump line, a supply water dump line, two fuel cell purge lines (the hydrogen one is always leaking water), two flash evaporators, a water spray boiler, and so forth. No surprise, then, that floating debris near the shuttle is a common sight."

Sure, UFO's do exist. If you see something Flying in the sky and are Unable to identify that Object, then by definition it is a "UFO" (to you). To automatically conclude that it must be flown by Little Green (or Grey) Men is pretty silly though.

I don't know why when people see something "strange" in the sky that they automatically conclude that it must be something "official".

Example: I was once at an outdoor BBQ/party for one of my friend's children. They had a lot of those mylar ("aluminum") helium "Happy Birthday" balloons, which the kids were getting a kick out of releasing and allowing to fly away. (Hopefully, none of them later landed on power lines.) These balloons fly pretty high after being released. It is difficult to judge exactly how high they go, but it is definetly up there. Against a setting sun, they would have one convinced that they were some sort of "formation" of "craft". In fact, a few people down the street were even outside and pointing up at them. They were, however, nothing except simple helium balloons.

People also, for whatever motivation, get a kick out of doing hoaxes. Hoaxes are pretty easy to pull off these days. It could be as simple as a black kite, flown at night, with some chemlights attached. Many probably use helium balloons. I'm willing to bet that most of the "UFO's" seen over wooded areas are hoaxes. One person flies the "UFO", while they have a "spotter" located where other people are gathered. The "spotter" points up and says, "Hey, look at that!".

One of the small airfields/DZ's that I used to jump at also attracted RC aircraft enthusiasts. (They were an interesting, but strange, bunch.) One of the more eccentric RC enthusiasts had put together a saucer-type contraption. I never saw the thing actually fly, but I do have to say it was pretty impressive. He put a lot of work into the thing. It had LEDs all over it, controlled by an onboard computer -- which itself was controlled by one of the radio servos. He could control the pattern of which the LEDs illuminated. He definetly put a lot of effort (and money) into this thing, which was labeled "SAUCR". (I don't know what it stood for.) If the thing was actually capable of flight, it would had easily convinced onlookers that it was "from another world".

Why is it that all these so-called aliens are capable of flying light years across interstellar space, yet the only way they seem to be able to keep themselves "secret" is by making photographs turn out blurry? Why can't they just "cloak" themselves? We are getting to close to doing this. Better yet, why not just park themselves far enough from Earth where they can't be seen and just "spy" on us with telescopes?

I think, at least some, of the logical explanations for past "UFO's" are more intriguing than the idea of them being extraterrestrial. Carl Sagan got himself into a little bit of trouble many years ago when he offered a very reasonable explanation for some of earlier "UFO's". Sagan, especially having taken part in "Blue Book", definetly has credibility. The explanation that he gave was that in the early development of ICBM's, one of the major challenges was the delivery of warheads. The challenges being target accuracy, the warhead not being destroyed by re-entry, and setting of burst altitudes. These early tests included a lot of telemetry, vital not only to us both also the Soviets who were facing the same challenges. One of his explanations was that many "sightings" were actually high-altitude Soviet reconnaissance balloons and even aircraft. (The Roswell balloon may have even be Soviet, not American.) The US had a northern defense system, but a soft underbelly. Some of these later overflights may have been staged out of Cuba. The idea that the Soviet Union was capable of high-altitude overflights over the United States would not sit well with the public at all. They would demand action. The US government, knowing full well, that a disclosure would lead to a response by the Soviets of, "Well. The US does the same thing to us!" This would have likely led to, not military responses, but some sort of accord that would "ban" both the US and Soviet Union from overflights on one another. It would have been more political than anything else, but would have tilted a delicate "balance" that both the US and SU understood "needed" to exist. (Well, at least the people in power on both sides that wanted to keep things leaning towards "peaceful coexistence" felt that it "needed" to exist. They too, however, felt the need to "one up" the other.) If you google, there is an account of a supposed meeting between American and SU ambassadors that took place in Berlin on this very topic. Anyway, if true, it is a very intriguing piece of Cold War history. I find it be extremely plausible, especially since Sagan wrote of it.

A book that every high school student should read before being allowed to graduate:

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle In the Dark
http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469

I myself had witnessed a "UFO" many years ago, and it's one of the main reasons why I'm on here today. I'll try to recall the event as best as I can.

The sighting took place in Santa Barbara, California. To the best of my recollection, the year was 1977, and the eye witnesses were my mother, brother, brother's friend, and of course, me. We were in the parking lot of my brother's school after his open-house night had just ended. We were standing outside of my mother's car waiting for the parents of my brother's friend to come pick him up. We were facing the local mountains which would've been to the East as the ocean would've been just to our West.

The object either started from North to South, or South to North (I don't remember which direction it came from first). We were standing around when we all happened to notice an object shooting horizontally across the night sky at about the same rate as a shooting star would appear to move at (so we literally saw a "streak" across the sky). We never seen the actual object and really only saw the streak it left behind due to the high rate of speed it must have been moving at. What was odd was the fact that the object had moved so fast that it left a "glowing" dark red vapor-like trail (the "streak" across the sky) in its path that stayed visible for at least 2-3 seconds (long after the object would've passed at that speed). I would describe the color of the trail as being very similar in color to the "darker" red that surrounds the lightsaber in Jason Safoutin's Avatar. Then approximately 8-9 seconds later, the same object repeated the same maneuver, but this time in the exact opposite direction from the first path (same plane and altitude in sky), and once again leaving that same glowing dark red trail in the sky. The object then repeated this maneuver one more time (again, only 8-9 seconds from the last time) leaving the same glowing dark red trail across the sky, this last time coming from the same direction as the original path (same plane and altitude in sky).

In summary, the object went from one end of the sky to the other end of the sky 3 different times, all in the exact opposite direction (same plane and altitude in sky) from the previous maneuver with no more than 8-9 seconds elapsing between each maneuver, and moving at what appeared to be the same velocity as a shooting star would appear to move at, each time leaving a "glowing" dark red trail in the night sky. The entire event occurred in less than a minute. I posted this sighting on the old SETI message board in the past and the response I got was "military" since Santa Barbara, CA. is in close proximity to Vandenberg AFB. I've seen aircraft and "rockets" from Vandenberg AFB before, but nothing ever like this. If it was top secret aircraft, they wouldn't have tested it over the local area like that. While I don't dismiss "military" as a possibility, I just find it hard to believe in the existence of a military aircraft that would have the structural integrity to perform such maneuvers with the pilots also being able to withstand the G-forces from these maneuvers. We'd have to be talking about an aircraft that can withstand traveling thousands of miles per hour, then stop on a dime and travel in the exact opposite direction (same plane and altitude in sky), and at the same velocity in no more than a 10 second span. This event occurred at no more than 10000 feet in the sky and had to have covered miles and miles of ground.

Several years later in the mid 80's, I had seen a UFO special on television that described a "UFO" that traveled at very high rates of speed with the ability to "reverse" direction, with one end of the actual object being described as "glowing" red. The object had been sighted over the western coastal states of America.

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle In the Dark
http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469

Great book. And I completely agree. As a high school student myself almost every day I debunk a story about ghosts, the supernatural, alien visitations, intervention of gods, and many others. What gets me the most is knocking on wood. I ask people how they come to the conclusion that banging their hand against a piece of wood will affect the outcome of a event days away. Some people dislike me because of this, and also because I am an atheist and I apparently don't believe in anything.(End rant)

I also suggest Broca's Brain : Reflections on the Romances of Science
Broca's Brain

And my personal favorite. A Pale Blue Dot
A Pale Blue Dot

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Thank you, BentStar.

Your are far from alone in your experience.


Here are several NASA, Government, and Military personnel with similar sightings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO2HQ_42xo

See: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=39208 for some people in the Bible sharing their experiences in writing.


Your in good company.




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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Thank you, BentStar.

Your are far from alone in your experience.


Here are several NASA, Government, and Military personnel with similar sightings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO2HQ_42xo

See: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=39208 for some people in the Bible sharing their experiences in writing.


Your in good company.




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Thanks, MrGray.

There's one other detail about my encounter that I failed to mention. I was trying a little too hard to describe what I had "seen" and forgot to mention any sound I might have heard. Actually, the object emitted absolutely no sound whatsoever, which was pretty amazing considering the maneuvers it had performed.

May I post this on my website?

Or, if you'd like you can do it yourself.

http://www.ufodbase.com


If you don't want to do it or have me post it I will understand and respect your wishes.


Thanks for the added info!!!


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

NASA likes us to think that the entire planet of Mars is completely red. Well now even they can admit they are wrong.

Layers at homeplate

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

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http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?topic=416.0


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?topic=416.0
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Good video. The images at the beginning definitely look to be from mars, but some of the ones at the end look questionable, in that they look too much like earth, but again if we were fooled in what Mars is supposed to look like it makes sense...sorta.

Now that you mention its. Look at the image again, then see below:

Notice the sky...how it goes from like a yellow orange at the right to almost white at the left. I am no "expert" but even night and day, and sunsets don't do that and to me it seems that may be tampering, at least not like they have it. Although I believe the colors were definitely changed (they do it with images from Hubble constantly), it is a lot to take in.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

Here's 25 more movies for the Moon and Mars:

http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?board=20.0






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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

NASA likes us to think that the entire planet of Mars is completely red.

Where'd you get that idea?!?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Nice avatar, Sarge.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Wooah:

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/raw-images-details.cfm?feiImageID=76730




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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Everything you need to know about Mars and the moon: The Enterprise Mission

Anyone for a drink of water?:

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

No telling what's in the water!

Care before drinking.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Everything you need to know about Mars and the moon: The Enterprise Mission

Anyone for a drink of water?:

Yeah, but pictures are so 1990's.

(Unless you have dial-up.)

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

The Enterprise Mission
There is actually some really interesting stuff there...Some is old yes, but he, Hoagland, usually releases his stuff in bunches every year or two...He is actually preparing several reports (if you are able to listen to the Coast to Coast AM radio show on late nights from 1:00 am to 5:00 am [Eastern time] 7 days a week), in the coming months. But still visit...there is a lot of stuff and you really have to dig around there.

In the mean time:

Fromhere:

We have a poster from the White House Mars Exploration Program proposed by Bush. This poster was commissioned by the Boeing company and is designed, as all such materials are, to raise awareness and inspire enthusiasm for a given program. In this case, the artists saw fit to inspire their workers and the public by creating a depiction of NASA astronauts ascending a cliff (perhaps the Cliff, there is a suspiciously "Face like" edifice in the background) and encountering nothing less than clearly artificial ruins -- on Mars!

The poster also includes a quote from President Bush explaining "Why Mars?" In actuality, the illustration says it better than any words could. The ruins are a series of partially buried, stacked stones with a variety of Egyptian or Sumerian appearing symbols and glyphs on them. But the image is dominated by the face of what appears to be a black man in an Egyptian styled hat.
("being" outlined in black rectangle. Sorry resolution sucks. Click link at the beginning where it says 'here' and scroll a ways down to see full resolution.)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

COOL

Thanks Jason!

By the way, was that your name on the STARDUST spacecraft?


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss