The new fan arrived to replace my broken/noisy graphics card fan, so I installed it first thing in the morning. I ended up getting a Zerotherm fan per suggestions in an earlier thread. It's great, but I didn't realize how damn big it was, and my desktop is a tiny little Shuttle. Long story short it worked, but I had to move a bunch of cables out of the way that were brushing up against the fan spindles, and one of the flanges on the heat pipe is pressed up against part of the case and slightly bent. I swear if it ended up not working I would have sold all my post-1900 technology and moved into the woods. But as it stands it's super quiet and now that my desktop doesn't sound like a helicopter my blood pressure is returning to normal levels.

The db_dump process (which updates all the stats for third-party pages) has been failing for the past week now. I thought this was due to some configuration on the replica that's timing out the long queries. I pointed the process at the master database this morning, but this timed out, too. So we decided to run the process directly on the replica server itself (jocelyn). So I recompiled it, then ran into NFS lock issues which Eric and I cleared up. It's running now. Let's see if it keeps running and actually generates useful output. Looks good so far (at the time of writing).

[Edit: Nope. Didn't work - will trying again tomorrow...]

Meanwhile, while sending out e-mails to long lost users who never were able to get SETI@home working I found that php broke for some reason on the system sending out the mails. I had to reinstall php/libxml which was annoying, especially as I'm still not sure why. Nevertheless, this fixed the problem, but then froze a few apache instances around our lab (which choked on php changing underneath it). So one of the public web servers was off line for a minute or two this morning. Oy.

- Matt

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-- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person
-- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude

Our thanks for keeping us informed RE: the stats situation.

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Hello, from Albany, CA!...

Matt,
Is there any way to avoid the massive stats spike after so long?

Would it be possible to export the stats xml in dated batches in order to fill in the missing days and retrospectively correct the stats?

This might require some coordination with Willy at Boincstats et al, but if a normal stats run goes out soon with such a bump, it'll make one hell of a mess of things! :(

Let's wait a while and use this chance to do it properly!

Andy.

Would it be possible to export the stats xml in dated batches in order to fill in the missing days and retrospectively correct the stats?
This might require some coordination with Willy at Boincstats et al, but if a normal stats run goes out soon with such a bump, it'll make one hell of a mess of things! :(
Let's wait a while and use this chance to do it properly!

There have been such spikes before, and everyone survived … I vote for getting it over with as simply & quickly as possible so as to concentrate on the issues being reported in the NC forum that are actually losing people credit: the ‘server-side detaching’ some hosts are experiencing, and the spurious missed-deadline results.

The website is still registering credit as usual; I imagine those who are that concerned about tidy stats can still collect them, perhaps by making daily copies of their hosts page, or taking notes from the graphs and other displays in BOINC Manager or from the associated XML files.

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Matt,
Is there any way to avoid the massive stats spike after so long?

Would it be possible to export the stats xml in dated batches in order to fill in the missing days and retrospectively correct the stats?

This might require some coordination with Willy at Boincstats et al, but if a normal stats run goes out soon with such a bump, it'll make one hell of a mess of things! :(

Let's wait a while and use this chance to do it properly!

Andy.

Not the way that you want. There is no history of stats kept at the project - just the current number. So there is no way to add part of the increase of the last week today, and another part tomorrow - it is not known what the numbers were a week ago. It will just be a stats spike.

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BOINC WIKI

Hi All,

Any idea of =possibly= when things will be bnack to normal?

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Thanx for the attempted fix Matt. Hope your day goes a little smoother tomorrow.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Any idea of =possibly= when things will be bnack to normal?

This IS normal. If everthing worked all of the time, Matt and Eric would have nothing to do. ;)

J/K :)

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Be lucky

Neil

The new fan arrived to replace my broken/noisy graphics card fan, so I installed it first thing in the morning. I ended up getting a Zerotherm fan per suggestions in an earlier thread. It's great, but I didn't realize how damn big it was, and my desktop is a tiny little Shuttle. Long story short it worked, but I had to move a bunch of cables out of the way that were brushing up against the fan spindles, and one of the flanges on the heat pipe is pressed up against part of the case and slightly bent. I swear if it ended up not working I would have sold all my post-1900 technology and moved into the woods. But as it stands it's super quiet and now that my desktop doesn't sound like a helicopter my blood pressure is returning to normal levels.

In the future, might I suggest going to a liquid cooling setup?

I was recently having issues due to the Intel heat sinks clogging with dust and not even being able to handle light loading without reaching Tmax on the CPU.

I looked at the heat pipe solutions out there, and honestly, they are huge and heavy.

I then noticed that a usable basic liquid cooling system is reasonably cheap, and that truely non-conducting fluid is available that has only slightly lower cooling ability that water (even comes in cool colors like blood red, black, and alien green (my favorite)).

I ended up going with a Koolance system. 700 watts of cooling capacity.

If you aren't overclocking, one of those could cool the CPU, chipset, video, and drives of two to four computers, or keep one running at only slightly above ambient room temp.

It's remarkably quiet too.

They also make cases with the cooling unit built-in.

I don't work for them, but hey, I am impressed.

Right now, the hottest thing on my motherboard is the 6DJ8 electron tube thats the audio preamplifier.

Thanks for the info, Matt. I'm sure people are just looking for some type of game plan. Checking stats reinforces what your members are participating in. I'm sure some of them are getting the shakes waiting for that next fix. Later - Patrick

The new fan arrived to replace my broken/noisy graphics card fan, so I installed it first thing in the morning. I ended up getting a Zerotherm fan per suggestions in an earlier thread. It's great, but I didn't realize how damn big it was, and my desktop is a tiny little Shuttle. Long story short it worked, but I had to move a bunch of cables out of the way that were brushing up against the fan spindles, and one of the flanges on the heat pipe is pressed up against part of the case and slightly bent. I swear if it ended up not working I would have sold all my post-1900 technology and moved into the woods. But as it stands it's super quiet and now that my desktop doesn't sound like a helicopter my blood pressure is returning to normal levels.

In the future, might I suggest going to a liquid cooling setup?

I was recently having issues due to the Intel heat sinks clogging with dust and not even being able to handle light loading without reaching Tmax on the CPU.

I looked at the heat pipe solutions out there, and honestly, they are huge and heavy.

I then noticed that a usable basic liquid cooling system is reasonably cheap, and that truely non-conducting fluid is available that has only slightly lower cooling ability that water (even comes in cool colors like blood red, black, and alien green (my favorite)).

I ended up going with a Koolance system. 700 watts of cooling capacity.

If you aren't overclocking, one of those could cool the CPU, chipset, video, and drives of two to four computers, or keep one running at only slightly above ambient room temp.

It's remarkably quiet too.

They also make cases with the cooling unit built-in.

I don't work for them, but hey, I am impressed.

Right now, the hottest thing on my motherboard is the 6DJ8 electron tube thats the audio preamplifier.

What kind of mobo do you have that uses a tube for a preamp??

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

In the future, might I suggest going to a liquid cooling setup?

I was recently having issues due to the Intel heat sinks clogging with dust and not even being able to handle light loading without reaching Tmax on the CPU.

I looked at the heat pipe solutions out there, and honestly, they are huge and heavy.

I then noticed that a usable basic liquid cooling system is reasonably cheap, and that truely non-conducting fluid is available that has only slightly lower cooling ability that water (even comes in cool colors like blood red, black, and alien green (my favorite)).

I ended up going with a Koolance system. 700 watts of cooling capacity.

If you aren't overclocking, one of those could cool the CPU, chipset, video, and drives of two to four computers, or keep one running at only slightly above ambient room temp.

It's remarkably quiet too.

They also make cases with the cooling unit built-in.

I don't work for them, but hey, I am impressed.

Right now, the hottest thing on my motherboard is the 6DJ8 electron tube thats the audio preamplifier.

Hey, do you liquid-cool the hollow-state component? ;-)>
I'd think that a 12AX7 would do better at pre-amp duties (one tube, stereo)- with 6V6GC's as the amp stage. (just my personal preferences, there)

As far as heat sinks clogging with dust, have you tried filtering the air before it gets into the case? (I haven't had this problem with AMD stock heatsinks - although they did get somewhat dusty)

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Hello, from Albany, CA!...

The new fan arrived to replace my broken/noisy graphics card fan, so I installed it first thing in the morning. I ended up getting a Zerotherm fan per suggestions in an earlier thread. It's great, but I didn't realize how damn big it was, and my desktop is a tiny little Shuttle. Long story short it worked, but I had to move a bunch of cables out of the way that were brushing up against the fan spindles, and one of the flanges on the heat pipe is pressed up against part of the case and slightly bent. I swear if it ended up not working I would have sold all my post-1900 technology and moved into the woods. But as it stands it's super quiet and now that my desktop doesn't sound like a helicopter my blood pressure is returning to normal levels.

In the future, might I suggest going to a liquid cooling setup?

I was recently having issues due to the Intel heat sinks clogging with dust and not even being able to handle light loading without reaching Tmax on the CPU.

I looked at the heat pipe solutions out there, and honestly, they are huge and heavy.

I then noticed that a usable basic liquid cooling system is reasonably cheap, and that truely non-conducting fluid is available that has only slightly lower cooling ability that water (even comes in cool colors like blood red, black, and alien green (my favorite)).

I ended up going with a Koolance system. 700 watts of cooling capacity.

If you aren't overclocking, one of those could cool the CPU, chipset, video, and drives of two to four computers, or keep one running at only slightly above ambient room temp.

It's remarkably quiet too.

They also make cases with the cooling unit built-in.

I don't work for them, but hey, I am impressed.

Right now, the hottest thing on my motherboard is the 6DJ8 electron tube thats the audio preamplifier.

What kind of mobo do you have that uses a tube for a preamp??

Everything you need to know is in my profile: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=327166

Hey, do you liquid-cool the hollow-state component? ;-)>
I'd think that a 12AX7 would do better at pre-amp duties (one tube, stereo)- with 6V6GC's as the amp stage. (just my personal preferences, there)

As far as heat sinks clogging with dust, have you tried filtering the air before it gets into the case? (I haven't had this problem with AMD stock heatsinks - although they did get somewhat dusty)

Nah, I really don't think the tube gets hot enough to bother with cooling. I also want long life, so I want to allow it to get a cathode temp of 1050C as soon as possible after powerup, and I want it to maintain at that temp.

As far as a 12AX7 into a 6V6, I would tend to think you would need a bit more oomph than just a single 12AX7. Even with my arrangement, I'd run into some 6CB6's in order to drive some 6V6's, and that's what I plan to do with a couple of shelf speakers I wanna convert to computer speakers. I'll run the 6V6's single-ended, and do it with a transformerless power supply (merely fuse the line, rectify, then filter it).

Anyhow. I wish they'd do this in a three tube version with a modern motherboard (multi-core intel/amd). Still, this isn't too shabby at 3.06 GHz.

Right now, the hottest thing on my motherboard is the 6DJ8 electron tube thats the audio preamplifier.

Wow? Why a 6DJ8 when a 6LQ6 would do the job?

Ok.. I'm giving away my "age"... sorry.. couldn't resist.

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73 de AI8W, Chris

Abdico Concussio Fidens Servo Libertas Semper!

Is there any explanation as to why, on stats sites like boincsynergy there are some users whose daily stats ARE appearing and tabulated and the rest (including me) have been zero for nearly a week? I would have thought that the unavailability of the stats would have been a universal phenomenon, so why are some appearing and some not?

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Nathan Zamprogno
http://baliset.blogspot.com

I think I've just answered my own question. The stats appearing on some pages are combined Boinc stats and not just the ones only for SETI@Home.

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Nathan Zamprogno
http://baliset.blogspot.com

It appears that sometime in the last 24 hours some SETI xml publishing took place. My Boincsynergy SETI total credit numbers jumped to near current truth, having been many days behind (something like April 9). The daily credit added boxes still show zero, I presume because they are populated by using subtraction of two consecutive day's xml files.

Boincstats has not yet shown a SETI update, but by their own posted numbers, their most recent daily update is almost 22 hours old at this moment.

Thanks for getting this feature running again.

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The new fan arrived to replace my broken/noisy graphics card fan, so I installed it first thing in the morning. I ended up getting a Zerotherm fan per suggestions in an earlier thread. It's great, but I didn't realize how damn big it was, and my desktop is a tiny little Shuttle. Long story short it worked, but I had to move a bunch of cables out of the way that were brushing up against the fan spindles, and one of the flanges on the heat pipe is pressed up against part of the case and slightly bent. I swear if it ended up not working I would have sold all my post-1900 technology and moved into the woods. But as it stands it's super quiet and now that my desktop doesn't sound like a helicopter my blood pressure is returning to normal levels.

In the future, might I suggest going to a liquid cooling setup?

Some liquid coolers are not very reliable. One in one of my two CyberPowers started leaking last year and the whole machine had to be sent back and completely rebuilt. The result was repacking, driving to depot/paying shipping and almost two months downtime. If this happens again I'm s--t out of luck.

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Some liquid coolers are not very reliable. One in one of my two CyberPowers started leaking last year and the whole machine had to be sent back and completely rebuilt. The result was repacking, driving to depot/paying shipping and almost two months downtime. If this happens again I'm s--t out of luck.

I'd read about some of that happening with some units when I was reading reviews of different types and brands.

From what I can tell, nobody has and such problems with Koolance.

Their clamps are good, and also, all of their external and block connections are using professional type of leak-proof connections (when filled, there can be a drop or two of leakage when disconnected, but that's it, and only during connect/disconnect.

Using a truly non-conducting liquid is the key in case of a leak. Despite the reviews, I'm careful to use non-conducting liquid. Don't use water, because even distilled water will gain conductivity as it passes across the metal in the blocks. When dealing with large water-cooled tubes, you are supposed to check the water conductivity on a regular basis (don't want ten to thirty thousand volts in the water), and from that experience, I choose not to use water.

The stuff I use is non-reactive and non-toxic. I've never had to deal with it, but in case of a major leak, they claim that a motherboard will continue to operate normal (assuming it doesn't fry due to lack of cooling).

Here's the stuff I'm using: Fluid XP+ Extreme Non-Conductive 32 oz. Liquid Cooling Fluid (UV ALIEN GREEN) from ArcticMod.