One of my grandfathers never smoked a day in his life but worked in a factory and died of lung cancer in his 30s. My other Grandpa has smoked since he was 14 but worked as a barber all his life. The smoking, living grandpa has nothing wrong with his health other than carple tunnel in both wrists (from comb and scissor motion) and swollen ankles (from standing and walking circles around the barber chair all day).
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I rather would say, smoking alone is not the reason for cancer and other diseases, it just raises the probability to get these diseases, nothing more.

Like alcohol and other drugs just lower your inhibitions and let you do and say things you just have been thinking about but never done or said when sober. You don't change at all, you just let out what's already inside you - and similar: you won't become sick only because of smoking: you just let the disease come out which is sleeping inside you.

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What's the deal with former smokers? I know plenty of nonsmokers that will let you smoke while riding in their car, I don't know a single former smoker that will let you do the same...

I also realized that most of the former smokers become really militant. When I quit smoking first time in 1993 I even was told that I was incredibly tolerant against people who smoked. - Well, I just didn't care. Sure, I put a "Please don't smoke" sign on the glove-box in my car, but I used to tell my smoking friends that I wouldn't mind if they ignored it.

Otherwise, in '94, I had an annoying colleague whom I used to give a ride since both of us worked some hundred kilometers away, and out of our colleagues I was the one who lived closest to him. And he smoked a lot. I told him not to smoke in my car - and even made more stops that he could have a smoke outside. Once he didn't respect my wish. It was weekend, we were on the way home - and he had had some beer, and became rude - and lit a cigarette. Because of the temperature outside it was not really appropriate to open the windows, and I told him to wait for the next stop. He just didn't care. When he finished it and lit the next one, telling me not to be so intolerant, it was time for me to make an end. So I just drove the car to the next truck-stop, pretending I wanted to buy something to drink. When he went inside the shop before me to buy more beer, I returned to the car, started the engine again, and left the truck-stop without him. For me, it was too much to know a rude drunken guy in my car who didn't respect my order (yes, I insisted on not smoking!). And since then I used to decide spontaneously whether or not to give some colleague a ride.

But since I started smoking again in fall 2004, I always used to respect the wishes of people who gave me a ride. It's their car, at last. Of course I'd ask if they won't mind - and without their allowance, I'd just wait for the next opportunity.

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The new Cigarette Case of the future

BTW, I'd buy those in a hearbeat. I've been overseas where they have the gruesome pictures on the packs, all the smokers I know love buying those! It's fun to share with our smoking buddies back stateside! They don't print pictures of drunk driving victims on beercans... when was the last time you bought a bottle of wine and saw the image of a crushed babyseat?

One of my grandfathers never smoked a day in his life but worked in a factory and died of lung cancer in his 30s. My other Grandpa has smoked since he was 14 but worked as a barber all his life. The smoking, living grandpa has nothing wrong with his health other than carple tunnel in both wrists (from comb and scissor motion) and swollen ankles (from standing and walking circles around the barber chair all day). So if it's between hard work and smoking, I say hard work is the one that's bad for you.

I'm in the Navy and there are very few smoking areas on the bases I've been on. On one ship the "smoking lamp" was out 60% of the time. When Grandpa heard this he was upset and wanted to know what happened to the times he would open his rations and find 2 smokes and 1 piece of toilet paper!

I've never been a sprinter, but I'll out distance everyone I know, and probably the majority of people on base I don't actually work with. Back when they let us, I smoked while running with my crew on base, I beat everyone on the softball team, all but one of the soccer team, and I was smoking!

What's the deal with former smokers? I know plenty of nonsmokers that will let you smoke while riding in their car, I don't know a single former smoker that will let you do the same...

The new Cigarette Case of the future

Of course noone should ever mention that these so called 'public' buildings are indeed private ones.....


But we won't go into that......

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

That's a conspiracy!!!

Chemicals in Cigarette Smoke

Here is a partial list of the chemicals in commercially manufactured cigarettes. The first part lists chemicals known to cause cancer, called carcinogens:

Dimethylnitrosamine

Ethylmethylnitrosamine

Nitrosopyrrolidine

Hydrazine

Vinyl Chloride

Urethane

Formaldehyde

Other Toxic Agents:

Carbon Monoxide, Hydrogen Cyanide, Acrolein, Acetadehyde, Nitrogen oxides, Ammonia, Pyridine, Nitric acid, Mathylamine, Hydrogen cyanide, Indole, 3-hydroxypyridine, 3-vinylpyridine, Acetone, Acetonitrile, Acrolein, 1,3-Butadiene, mg, Nitrous acid, isoquioline, Isoamylamine, 3-Cyanopyridine.

This is only a partial list. They put these chemicals in cigarettes to reduce tar while maintaining the level of nicotine necessary to keep them addictive. Keeping the tar down helps to calm people's fears about health risks. Since the companies are free of any supervision they are not compelled to reveal the chemicals they use. But recent breaks in the wall of secrecy have revealed that cigarettes are only about 40% tobacco, and 60% other junk.

That's a conspiracy!!!

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Life is endangering! Next thing you know bannanas will be bad for you! Everything seems to have a short half-life these days!

And what do you know....I know that I have given up my Moderator status because of differences with Seti that will not be hashed out here. Ladies and Gentlemen it has been a pleasure conversing with almost all of you. I am sorry if my dettaching from Seti causes you to get your Credits late!

I will miss you around here. Having had the pleasure to talk with you (and Esme and DB) had more worth for me than the credits I get.

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Life is endangering! Next thing you know bannanas will be bad for you! Everything seems to have a short half-life these days!

And what do you know....I know that I have given up my Moderator status because of differences with Seti that will not be hashed out here. Ladies and Gentlemen it has been a pleasure conversing with almost all of you. I am sorry if my dettaching from Seti causes you to get your Credits late!

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The rules and laws are not trying to protect the smoker, or do them a favor by making it more difficult for then to smoke. It's about protecting non-smokers from second hand smoke inhalation.

I had to drive away from my office today and on returning I saw someone standing well away from the building having a smoke, so the smoke wouldn't blow back into the windows.

When I smoked I can remember the horror of being forced outside to smoke. Now it's "get well away you puff addicts". Pretty soon the only place you can smoke is in your own car, with all the winds shut tight and a fine if you use your air conditioner and any of the smoke gets out.

Interestingly, the UN commissioned the largest study of second hand smoke ever done, with tens of thousands of subjects. The study results were never widely publicized because the study found either no or strictly limited stastical correlation between second hand smoke and subject health.

Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

I can't smoke those - impossible. They melt when I light them.

Silly, you should use these!!!

Hey, I'm not Silly!

...that was Guido's job, but I think he smoked hash and shrooms.

and went on silly walks.

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Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

I can't smoke those - impossible. They melt when I light them.

Silly, you should use these!!!

Hey, I'm not Silly!

...that was Guido's job, but I think he smoked hash and shrooms.

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Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

I can't smoke those - impossible. They melt when I light them.

Silly, you should use these!!!

Hey, I'm not Silly!

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Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

I can't smoke those - impossible. They melt when I light them.


Silly, you should use these!!!



http://www.candywrappermuseum.com/luckyspike.html

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Don't drink water, that stuff rusts pipes!


You are making Proof out of Logic, by just being dubious! {Bluestar to me)

Life is endangering! Next thing you know bannanas will be bad for you! Everything seems to have a short half-life these days!

Are you saying bananas are good? ... Just wondering

OH NO! Bananas now? I thought they were good for potassium? Oy!

Bananas are good. Good source of potassium ... good for depression, Potassium is...to fight it that is.

Shhh Stacey. You know how the Male Mind (oxymoron?) reacts to a woman eating a banana!!!

Bravo to Stacey in her fight for combating depression!

Oh, when I feel depressed I'm eating chocolate - some days it's one pack in half an hour. I think I eat almost 2 lbs chocolate each month - besides smoking cigarettes

Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

I can't smoke those - impossible. They melt when I light them.

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Life is endangering! Next thing you know bannanas will be bad for you! Everything seems to have a short half-life these days!

Are you saying bananas are good? ... Just wondering

OH NO! Bananas now? I thought they were good for potassium? Oy!

Bananas are good. Good source of potassium ... good for depression, Potassium is...to fight it that is.

Shhh Stacey. You know how the Male Mind (oxymoron?) reacts to a woman eating a banana!!!

Bravo to Stacey in her fight for combating depression!

Oh, when I feel depressed I'm eating chocolate - some days it's one pack in half an hour. I think I eat almost 2 lbs chocolate each month - besides smoking cigarettes

Why not do both together?


http://www.handycandy.co.uk/chocolate-cigarettes-p-156.html

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"none so blind as those who will not see" (John Heywood 1546)

Don't drink water, that stuff rusts pipes!


You are making Proof out of Logic, by just being dubious! {Bluestar to me)

Life is endangering! Next thing you know bannanas will be bad for you! Everything seems to have a short half-life these days!

Are you saying bananas are good? ... Just wondering

OH NO! Bananas now? I thought they were good for potassium? Oy!

Bananas are good. Good source of potassium ... good for depression, Potassium is...to fight it that is.

Shhh Stacey. You know how the Male Mind (oxymoron?) reacts to a woman eating a banana!!!

Bravo to Stacey in her fight for combating depression!

Oh, when I feel depressed I'm eating chocolate - some days it's one pack in half an hour. I think I eat almost 2 lbs chocolate each month - besides smoking cigarettes

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