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消息 563141 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 21:57:28 UTC

To a point I would disagree...

I use Essential Oils (Peppermint, Lemon Grass and others) and it works as an anti-inflammatory for me for a swollen elbow. I've been able to avoid having it drained and it keeps the skin smooth to avoid puncturing and a likely infection.

In my case non-traditional therapy (aromatherapy) has been incredibly useful


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消息 562821 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 8:39:31 UTC - 回复消息 562778.  


I'm guessing that most most herbal/natural cures are just pandering to a hopeful but uneducated public.


I agree that there are like you said, snake-oil salesmen out there. But if there are natural remedies that help fight illness, like traditional herbs, many people can make an educated decision if they should take them or not. I wish there were more studies on herbal medicines. Whenever I hear about a natural remedie for something on the news, they almost always say that it isn't endorsed by the mainstream medical community.


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消息 562813 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 8:12:55 UTC - 回复消息 562764.  
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They are drug dealers, there is no profit in a cure, the profit is in the come back.


If true, people have to be made aware of it. And if drug companies are keeping potential cures secret, they should be prosecuted for letting people die.

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消息 562807 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:55:29 UTC - 回复消息 562758.  
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The only conspiracy I could think of would be that if the people don't get cured, they have to keep buying the medicine for the symptoms.


That's what I was thinking as well. But it's hard for me to accept that the people at those companies would actually get away with it. Not impossible for me to accept, just hard.

Right now, there is a bill in one of the Houses that would allow the FDA to make natural remedies ( such as herbs like St John's Wort ) available only by a prescription. You would no longer be able to buy natural medicines over the counter.


Now there's something interesting. For years they've been saying that natural remedies don't have any real benefits and now they want you to only get them with a drug prescription. So, anyone caught selling chamomile or fennel tea would be considered a drug dealer. Excellent plan. I don't know what remedies are on their list so I just considered those.



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消息 562802 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:44:08 UTC - 回复消息 562794.  

No arguments on most issues, KM. Being from a family that has cardio issues I'm a big believer in Omega 3 fish oil and have taken assorted Vitamin C herbal compounds for years and have been flu free since.
I'm just concerned about folks who see the snake-oil salesman on late night TV and don't head to the ER when the chest pain starts 'cause they are taking whatever buddy says.
When the crap hits the fan a good ER doc and his modern (drug company based) medicine can keep a person living and grinning.:))

Besides, I'm a little tipsy and argumentitive tonight. You know how I get...


That's perfectly fine, Kenzie. It was a valid argument from what I could see...lol

I understand your point about the " snake oil " people. Lots of gullible folks out there.

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消息 562797 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:33:45 UTC - 回复消息 562793.  

I'm guessing that most most herbal/natural cures are just pandering to a hopeful but uneducated public.

There is some truth to herbal/natural cures, they just don't work as fast as medicines do, making them better used as a preventative rather than as a cure...

Olives, St John's Wort, and VitaminC are just a few good examples that come to mind... ;)

No arguments at all Jeffrey. Just concerned that when things get ugly, folks not put their faith entirely in the holistic cures. Massive modern medical intervention is not all bad was my point.:))

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消息 562794 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:26:57 UTC
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No arguments on most issues, KM. Being from a family that has cardio issues I'm a big believer in Omega 3 fish oil and have taken assorted Vitamin C herbal compounds for years and have been flu free since.
I'm just concerned about folks who see the snake-oil salesman on late night TV and don't head to the ER when the chest pain starts 'cause they are taking whatever buddy says.
When the crap hits the fan a good ER doc and his modern (drug company based) medicine can keep a person living and grinning.:))

Besides, I'm a little tipsy and argumentitive tonight. You know how I get...
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消息 562793 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:23:47 UTC - 回复消息 562778.  

I'm guessing that most most herbal/natural cures are just pandering to a hopeful but uneducated public.

There is some truth to herbal/natural cures, they just don't work as fast as medicines do, making them better used as a preventative rather than as a cure...

Olives, St John's Wort, and VitaminC are just a few good examples that come to mind... ;)
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消息 562786 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 7:11:16 UTC - 回复消息 562778.  

I would normally be the last person the plead the case of the drug companies, but there is more short term profit in the cure. Imagine a cure for AIDS or breast cancer or whatever. Forget the ‘come back’ potential, imagine the initial profit in any of those ‘cures.’ we’re talking not billions but trillions of dollars in profit. And drug companies, like all bushiness’ are all about making money in the short term. If they had a 'cure' for any and all they'd market it.


Then again, they could very well convince their investors and board members that the " long term " profits would be MUCH higer if they didn't market it.


I'm guessing that most most herbal/natural cures are just pandering to a hopeful but uneducated public.


Hmmmm.....I'm not so sure about that Kenzie. I have used St John's Wort on several occasions. I still do take it occasionally. I don't take a whole bunch of different natural remedies, but I have to say that what I do take is effective. Also keep in mind that a lot of the natural remedies are used as a last resort by people who haven't found any relief with prescription meds.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the natural remedies that do what they say they are supposed to do are usually MUCH cheaper to buy than the prescription drugs ( even the generic versions ).

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消息 562778 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 6:52:59 UTC

I would normally be the last person the plead the case of the drug companies, but there is more short term profit in the cure. Imagine a cure for AIDS or breast cancer or whatever. Forget the ‘come back’ potential, imagine the initial profit in any of those ‘cures.’ we’re talking not billions but trillions of dollars in profit. And drug companies, like all bushiness’ are all about making money in the short term. If they had a 'cure' for any and all they'd market it.
I'm guessing that most most herbal/natural cures are just pandering to a hopeful but uneducated public.

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消息 562764 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 6:22:22 UTC

They are drug dealers, there is no profit in a cure, the profit is in the come back.

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消息 562758 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 6:19:09 UTC

The only conspiracy I could think of would be that if the people don't get cured, they have to keep buying the medicine for the symptoms.

Right now, there is a bill in one of the Houses that would allow the FDA to make natural remedies ( such as herbs like St John's Wort ) available only by a prescription. You would no longer be able to buy natural medicines over the counter.
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消息 562734 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 5:50:35 UTC
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Anyone ever wonder what happened to all of those disease cures that were "so close"? I can remember hearing for many years that researchers knew so much about a particular disease that it was only a short matter of time until a cure would be found. I was reading this book called Natural Cures "They" Don’t Want You to Know About by Kevin Trudeau. In the book Trudeau basically says that there is a conspiracy to keep knowledge about natural cures secret. He says that the FDA is involved. Apparently the issue is so hot that the government has been strong-arming Trudeau from talking about these "natural cures". So now I wonder, if there is a conspiracy like this, could there also be a conspiracy by drug companies to keep cures for major diseases to themselves. What would they have to gain or lose if they did?
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消息 562677 - 发表于:8 May 2007, 3:31:11 UTC - 回复消息 561863.  

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消息 562070 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 8:22:08 UTC - 回复消息 561895.  

I have seen that video on a couple of occasions. The only thing I can think of is that the cop car missed the actual place where the " ghost car " went past the fence.

There may be an opening on the left that wasn't seen on the video.

In the " More Detailed " video, the person points out that the face is very pale with hollow eyes ( or something like that ). So what?? Most Caucasians would look pale in the direct light of car headlights.


That was my thought too, that the police car didn't turn off the road the same place as the car, and I couldn't see those "faces" either, even how much I used my imagination. To me it was one of those police videos they show and they are not very detailed. And it's taking place at night, so seeing it on the small screen without the full vision is not saying much. I think it was a person, who knew the area well, who ducked so you can't see the driver (I think the close ups looks like the seat with the headrest), and the police car turned away from the road at least 10 - 15 meters further down the road than the car.

There seem to be a lot of those videos on YouTube, I watched a few of them, and I couldn't see any ghosts on them, only some screaming people in a dark car, who reacted like they saw something. Which is easy in the night, where you can't determine distance as good as at daylight. So those "ghost cars" can be cars determined at the wrong distance, so they "disappear" because they are farther away than determined.


And my God, there are some hoaxes also, videos where you just waste your time seeing nothing. :-O


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消息 561914 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 2:47:49 UTC - 回复消息 561664.  

I guess he hasn't clicked the link since I replaced the video. I didn't know sasquach was so talented.

That is the video that was available at the time I quoted your link (and then removed that is was a quote).

Yeah but there are a lot more than that one video on youtube.

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But that was the one you linked to. I thought a good conspiracy would be to make people see it again.

At one point in time I had all of them posted. You'll have to look back at the older threads.

I believe I saw most to all of them several months ago. Not going to take the time right now to search the old threads.
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消息 561906 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 2:41:11 UTC

Or that the fence was only connected to the posts at the top and the chain link just lifted up as the car went under it.


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消息 561895 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 2:34:07 UTC

I have seen that video on a couple of occasions. The only thing I can think of is that the cop car missed the actual place where the " ghost car " went past the fence.

There may be an opening on the left that wasn't seen on the video.

In the " More Detailed " video, the person points out that the face is very pale with hollow eyes ( or something like that ). So what?? Most Caucasians would look pale in the direct light of car headlights.
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消息 561888 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 2:17:30 UTC

NYPD Ghost car chase


Ghost car more detailed


So, what do you think?




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消息 561863 - 发表于:7 May 2007, 2:05:12 UTC - 回复消息 560720.  

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