with the current level of international terrorist activity.

Don't you mean 'political activity'?

Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Being of the wrong religion?
Being of the wrong political party?
Being an individual and not a follower?

As was already clearly stated by our commander and chief:

If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists... ;)

Yeffrey! Jou yust checked the countrj box!

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Big Brother is not only there at you, but in Germany also: as I learned yesterday, they plan to make a law allowing to file up each mobile phone call, short message, internet search, chat, and so on; written by anyone or to anyone in Germany just for the case, without any suspect.

Even though this is totally against the German constitution, the government want to decide this in Fall 2007.
There is already a petition running against this plan. I also signed this petiton last night. Grown up in East Germany, I have a total reluctance against such STASI methods.

Hold on there a minute.

In the UK the security services have had that ability for years. They can monitor phone calls, landline & mobile, SMS messages, emails + attachments, web browsing activities etc etc.

We all know this, and have done for a long time. We might not like it but that is the way it is. It's not likely to change either, with the current level of international terrorist activity. Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Who gets to determine what propriety is?
I suggest watching something from the 1980s, a sci-fi thriller made for TV that also characterized fascist regimes. Look for the line from Michael Donovan, speaking to his mother. It went something like this: "You said it could never happen. Not here. And then one morning we woke up to find ourselves living in a fascist state." She responds, "Those of us who obey law and order are free and safe." His chilling words, "You're just as free as the leash they've put you on, mother. Pull it hard enough, they'll choke you and kill you." The made-for-TV movie I refer to is ... "V."

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The polictians we elect to office have a missconceived Idea the are no accountable to anyone!!! The fact is that they work for us the american people who put them in office to run our Gov.


A good example of the miss-management is our current president as well as the house representatives and the senators!!

Lets pay them the current minimum wage and see if they can put food on the table!!

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It is unjust when we let BIG BUSINESS buy our polictians inturn the polictians
disable the values as well as the morals of a nation

hEar, hEar . . .

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It is unjust when we let BIG BUSINESS buy our polictians inturn the polictians
disable the values as well as the morals of a nation

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with the current level of international terrorist activity.

Don't you mean 'political activity'?

Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Being of the wrong religion?
Being of the wrong political party?
Being an individual and not a follower?

As was already clearly stated by our commander and chief:

If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists... ;)

Then 62% for the voters should be imprisoned for treason? What happened to freedom and democracy?

They have been vanished. Democracy - doesn't that mean that the people are ruling (when translated out of the Greek: demos=the people; kratein=rule)? I think in each so-called "free" country, it's the big money ruling the nation. Money's buying parties, money's buying reprentatives, money's buying laws. So it's not democracy, it's oligarchy.
And freedom? Are you free when you have to obey rules, when you have to work longer time for less money, when you have to pass standards you don't feel that these are yours just to not get into trouble? Is that freedom?

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with the current level of international terrorist activity.

Don't you mean 'political activity'?

Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Being of the wrong religion?
Being of the wrong political party?
Being an individual and not a follower?

As was already clearly stated by our commander and chief:

If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists... ;)

Then 62% for the voters should be imprisoned for treason? What happened to freedom and democracy?

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with the current level of international terrorist activity.

Don't you mean 'political activity'?

Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Being of the wrong religion?
Being of the wrong political party?
Being an individual and not a follower?

As was already clearly stated by our commander and chief:

If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists... ;)

Oh I see, if you're not a right-wing Christian Republican, you're sympathetic with terrorists and other State enemies...
Persons with such thinking who are not in charge would be treated as paranoid. And by reason.

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Big Brother is not only there at you, but in Germany also: as I learned yesterday, they plan to make a law allowing to file up each mobile phone call, short message, internet search, chat, and so on; written by anyone or to anyone in Germany just for the case, without any suspect.
Even though this is totally against the German constitution, the government want to decide this in Fall 2007.
There is already a petition running against this plan. I also signed this petiton last night. Grown up in East Germany, I have a total reluctance against such STASI methods.

I don't know what you mean by "allowing to file up" but here in the US ALL cell phone towers have harddrives in them that keeps the last 6 months of EVERY conversation that went thru that tower! It even shows what tower the call came from and what tower it was passed onto, if it was an ongoing call thru several towers. I have seen this used where they caught a guy that torched his car for insurance purposes. It took a Court Order for the cell phone company to release the records though.

Well even though you stated that you didn't know what I meant you just hit the point. They want to make files of each call, like Chris already stated that it's happening in the UK already. Well, I'm totally against such behavior. IF calls and messages and e-mails are monitored and kept on harddrives, then they should be AFTER a special permit(?) by a judge, based on an urgent suspect that the person to be monitored is a criminal, and not just for the case that any of the monitored persons could do something out of the law. As far as I understand this, it'S the building of a world ruled by Secret Services, as if they had studied the results and effectiveness of old East Germany's STASI (who even bribed and black-mailed people to become their informers) and wanted this for their own.

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with the current level of international terrorist activity.

Don't you mean 'political activity'?

Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

Being of the wrong religion?
Being of the wrong political party?
Being an individual and not a follower?

As was already clearly stated by our commander and chief:

If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Big Brother is not only there at you, but in Germany also: as I learned yesterday, they plan to make a law allowing to file up each mobile phone call, short message, internet search, chat, and so on; written by anyone or to anyone in Germany just for the case, without any suspect.
Even though this is totally against the German constitution, the government want to decide this in Fall 2007.
There is already a petition running against this plan. I also signed this petiton last night. Grown up in East Germany, I have a total reluctance against such STASI methods.

I don't know what you mean by "allowing to file up" but here in the US ALL cell phone towers have harddrives in them that keeps the last 6 months of EVERY conversation that went thru that tower! It even shows what tower the call came from and what tower it was passed onto, if it was an ongoing call thru several towers. I have seen this used where they caught a guy that torched his car for insurance purposes. It took a Court Order for the cell phone company to release the records though.

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Big Brother is not only there at you, but in Germany also: as I learned yesterday, they plan to make a law allowing to file up each mobile phone call, short message, internet search, chat, and so on; written by anyone or to anyone in Germany just for the case, without any suspect.

Even though this is totally against the German constitution, the government want to decide this in Fall 2007.
There is already a petition running against this plan. I also signed this petiton last night. Grown up in East Germany, I have a total reluctance against such STASI methods.

Hold on there a minute.

In the UK the security services have had that ability for years. They can monitor phone calls, landline & mobile, SMS messages, emails + attachments, web browsing activities etc etc.

We all know this, and have done for a long time. We might not like it but that is the way it is. It's not likely to change either, with the current level of international terrorist activity. Provided we live our lives in propriety, what do we need to fear?

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"none so blind as those who will not see" (John Heywood 1546)

Don't drink water, that stuff rusts pipes!


You are making Proof out of Logic, by just being dubious! {Bluestar to me)

Big Brother is not only there at you, but in Germany also: as I learned yesterday, they plan to make a law allowing to file up each mobile phone call, short message, internet search, chat, and so on; written by anyone or to anyone in Germany just for the case, without any suspect.

Even though this is totally against the German constitution, the government want to decide this in Fall 2007.
There is already a petition running against this plan. I also signed this petiton last night. Grown up in East Germany, I have a total reluctance against such STASI methods.

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Big Brother is hErE

There have also been reports that local councils are thinking of placing small cameras inside baked bean tins so that anyone throwing cans into the wrong bins can be caught and fined.

About a week ago?

Yes, about a week and a bit. I remember reading something about it. I don't think people are going to appreciate their council tax going on all this camera business. It must cost the council a bit of money, surely?

Well, it seems it wasn't an April Fool report after all - here is what Ealing Council had to say on 23rd March.

The cameras cost money of course, but so does clearing up after illegal rubbish tipping.

There have also been reports that local councils are thinking of placing small cameras inside baked bean tins so that anyone throwing cans into the wrong bins can be caught and fined.

About a week ago?

Yes, about a week and a bit. I remember reading something about it. I don't think people are going to appreciate their council tax going on all this camera business. It must cost the council a bit of money, surely?

There have also been reports that local councils are thinking of placing small cameras inside baked bean tins so that anyone throwing cans into the wrong bins can be caught and fined.

About a week ago?

There have also been reports that local councils are thinking of placing small cameras inside baked bean tins so that anyone throwing cans into the wrong bins can be caught and fined.

Is there a reason for this post Jeffrey?

Just pointing out the fact that 'Big Brother' is indeed watching...

That is the topic of this thread, is it not? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Is there a reason for this post Jeffrey?

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"none so blind as those who will not see" (John Heywood 1546)

Don't drink water, that stuff rusts pipes!


You are making Proof out of Logic, by just being dubious! {Bluestar to me)