Attention ADMIN: Change in TOP COMPUTERS logic

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zombie67 [MM] Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0	Message 529105 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 15:34:46 UTC You may have missed this discussion, so I am posting it in a new thread, to get your attention. We need a response from someone in charge. There has been a recent change to the logic for the Top Computers. It is no longer the "Top Computers by RAC". It's now something more like "Top Computers that meet an arbitrary minimum credit threshold that is undisclosed." That minimum seems to be somewhere between 200,000 and 300,000. Why? It is intentional? A mistake? If it is intentional, why no announcement? Also, if it is to remain like this, there needs to be a legend or something on the Top Computers pages that explains how to read it. Because it is already causing confusion, and multiple threads started by people asking why things don't look right, and why can't they find their computer, which rightfully should be showing. Finally, how do we get it changed back to the way it was, with no minimum total credit requirement? That is the way other projects do it, and it should be consistent across projects. Thanks, and hope to hear from someone soon. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA ID: 529105 ·

BlkJack-21 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 108 Credit: 2,288,501 RAC: 0	Message 529176 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 18:40:50 UTC That is a relief...well sort of. I noticed the change in the leaderboard a couple of days ago and couldn't find anywhere within the site why this has changed. This host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3067426 should be in at least the top 5 with a RAC of 5,586.75 (at the time of this post) but is missing from that list. ID: 529176 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 529178 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 18:44:19 UTC - in response to Message 529176. That is a relief...well sort of. I noticed the change in the leaderboard a couple of days ago and couldn't find anywhere within the site why this has changed. This host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3067426 should be in at least the top 5 with a RAC of 5,586.75 (at the time of this post) but is missing from that list. Why do you hide your computers? Just curious... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 529178 ·

Dr. C.E.T.I. Send message Joined: 29 Feb 00 Posts: 16019 Credit: 794,685 RAC: 0	Message 529179 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 18:44:29 UTC Last modified: 10 Mar 2007, 18:46:40 UTC The Thread in Question . . . Top 1000 Computers . . . #999 with a RAC of 0.11? edit - @ Zombie - may be better to change Title of Thread to Attention BERKELEY . . . ID: 529179 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 529230 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 20:14:22 UTC Looking at the Top Hosts I can all the way to #1000 with an RAC of 1.73. But you can also order it by Total Credit. My guess is that the "top hosts" is based by total credit, however, with the option of listing those same computers by RAC. In effect if Nez stopped crunching eventually he'd be #1000 with an RAC of zero, but still #1 with total credit. me@rescam.org ID: 529230 ·

Brock Send message Joined: 19 Dec 06 Posts: 201 Credit: 774,488 RAC: 0	Message 529233 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 20:17:44 UTC Yeah Misfit, it just doesn't seem right. This isn't your fault by the way is it? :-) ID: 529233 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 529234 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 20:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 529233. Yeah Misfit, it just doesn't seem right. This isn't your fault by the way is it? :-) There are so many buttons and links I feel compelled to click them all. :) I've red-x'd the thread to bring the issue to the other mods and admin. me@rescam.org ID: 529234 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 529249 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 20:43:20 UTC - in response to Message 529230. Looking at the Top Hosts I can all the way to #1000 with an RAC of 1.73. But you can also order it by Total Credit. My guess is that the "top hosts" is based by total credit, however, with the option of listing those same computers by RAC. In effect if Nez stopped crunching eventually he'd be #1000 with an RAC of zero, but still #1 with total credit. No, we looked at that yesterday and the current cutoff for the Total Credit listing is 306321, but the lowest "qualifying" TC for RAC is currently 290190. This implies that the Total Credit display listing is not just resorted to display as RAC. Alinator ID: 529249 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 529270 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 21:39:56 UTC - in response to Message 529234. Yeah Misfit, it just doesn't seem right. This isn't your fault by the way is it? :-) There are so many buttons and links I feel compelled to click them all. :) I've red-x'd the thread to bring the issue to the other mods and admin. I haven't got to Blame Misfit for awhile so I will blame Misfit...Now I feel better. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 529270 ·

zombie67 [MM] Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0	Message 529280 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 22:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 529179. edit - @ Zombie - may be better to change Title of Thread to Attention BERKELEY . . . How? Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA ID: 529280 ·

zombie67 [MM] Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0	Message 529287 - Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 22:15:33 UTC - in response to Message 529230. Looking at the Top Hosts I can all the way to #1000 with an RAC of 1.73. But you can also order it by Total Credit. My guess is that the "top hosts" is based by total credit, however, with the option of listing those same computers by RAC. In effect if Nez stopped crunching eventually he'd be #1000 with an RAC of zero, but still #1 with total credit. The default ranking is by RAC. Yes, you can also, re-rank it by total credit. But you're missing the point. Something is definitely broken. The 1000th machine (by RAC) should have a RAC of ~1215. You can easily double check it over on BOINCstats: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/host_stats.php?pr=sah&userid=&st=900&or=16 Yet the 1000th machine (by RAC) on S@H has a RAC of 1.89. And none of the top 1000 (by RAC) on S@H have a total credit less than 200,000. This is obviously an error. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA ID: 529287 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 529395 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 1:06:23 UTC - in response to Message 529270. Yeah Misfit, it just doesn't seem right. This isn't your fault by the way is it? :-) There are so many buttons and links I feel compelled to click them all. :) I've red-x'd the thread to bring the issue to the other mods and admin. I haven't got to Blame Misfit for awhile so I will blame Misfit...Now I feel better. LOL.... Good catch, I had forgotten to blame Misfit. :-) So to Misfit, apologies and BTW..... It's your fault! ;-) Alinator ID: 529395 ·

SargeD@SETI.USA Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 02 Posts: 957 Credit: 3,848,754 RAC: 0	Message 529471 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 4:01:02 UTC - in response to Message 529178. That is a relief...well sort of. I noticed the change in the leaderboard a couple of days ago and couldn't find anywhere within the site why this has changed. This host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3067426 should be in at least the top 5 with a RAC of 5,586.75 (at the time of this post) but is missing from that list. Why do you hide your computers? Just curious... Why are you so curious?? Just curious. ID: 529471 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 529472 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 4:02:56 UTC - in response to Message 529471. Last modified: 11 Mar 2007, 4:06:19 UTC That is a relief...well sort of. I noticed the change in the leaderboard a couple of days ago and couldn't find anywhere within the site why this has changed. This host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3067426 should be in at least the top 5 with a RAC of 5,586.75 (at the time of this post) but is missing from that list. Why do you hide your computers? Just curious... Why are you so curious?? Just curious. Why do you care? I like to compare computers...Oh I forgot...SETI.USA is secretive...seems we have been here before... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 529472 ·

BlkJack-21 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 108 Credit: 2,288,501 RAC: 0	Message 529494 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 6:43:08 UTC - in response to Message 529472. That is a relief...well sort of. I noticed the change in the leaderboard a couple of days ago and couldn't find anywhere within the site why this has changed. This host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3067426 should be in at least the top 5 with a RAC of 5,586.75 (at the time of this post) but is missing from that list. Why do you hide your computers? Just curious... Why are you so curious?? Just curious. Why do you care? I like to compare computers...Oh I forgot...SETI.USA is secretive...seems we have been here before... BroadbandReports.com Team Starfire: http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=30192&project=sah BOINC Synergy: http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=30230&project=sah The Knights Who Say Ni!: http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=30195&project=sah OcUK - Overclockers UK: http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=30189&project=sah no need to list further. If "hiding" were so unpopular you would think less would be hiding them. ohhh BTW Why do you care? I like to compare computers...Oh I forgot...SETI.USA is secretive...seems we have been here before... Yhy do you care? I like to hide my computers...Oh I forgot...people like yourself like to make a big deal of this....seems we have been here before as well. ;) ID: 529494 ·

zombie67 [MM] Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0	Message 529501 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 7:12:48 UTC HEY! Cut it out! This thread is to get the attention of the powers that be, and to solve a specific problem with the project. Take this argument elsewhere. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA ID: 529501 ·

Keith Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 483 Credit: 938,268 RAC: 0	Message 529619 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 14:54:35 UTC Last modified: 11 Mar 2007, 14:59:12 UTC I don't know how much of a coincidence this is, but nearly all of the computer/hosts in the "Top Computers" with a low RAC seem to have the August 2005 stale results listed at the end their "Results for Computer" list. Try, for instance pretty well any of these: 1123113 991 Anonymous 5.13 580,541.75 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2(05.01.2600.00) 1697736 992 Bonnie 4.59 342,058.23 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2,(05.01.2600.00) 2718495 993 Anonymous 4.49 441,093.29 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Edition, Service Pack 4,(05.00.2195.00) 806073 994 Anonymous 4.38 399,864.23 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2,(05.01.2600.00) 399501 995 rolo 4.25 378,225.03 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz Microsoft Windows 2003 Standard Server Edition, (05.02.3790.00) 2805614 996 SR530 3.43 458,040.16 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Edition, Service Pack 4,(05.00.2195.00) 1047804 997 Anonymous 3.18 399,345.83 GenuineIntel Genuine Intel(R) CPU 3.20GHz Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition, Service Pack 2,(05.01.2600.00) 3063399 998 Nate 3.18 392,981.11 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition, Service Pack 2,(05.01.2600.00) 3031368 999 Reid 2.89 477,817.21 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2,(05.01.2600.00) 2996345 1000 Anonymous 2.89 401,215.06 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz , Servic, Service Pack 1, (05.02.3790.00) Seems to me that this "1000 list" problem may well be part of the "Stale Results" long outstanding problem, Keith ID: 529619 ·

Matt Lebofsky Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1444 Credit: 957,058 RAC: 0	Message 529649 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 16:29:16 UTC There has been a change (in order to reduce the load on the database every time this page got regenerated). We'll fix it. - Matt -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude ID: 529649 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 529657 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 16:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 529649. There has been a change (in order to reduce the load on the database every time this page got regenerated). We'll fix it. - Matt Thank you Matt! Hope you have a good day! Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 529657 ·

BlkJack-21 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 108 Credit: 2,288,501 RAC: 0	Message 529690 - Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 17:26:02 UTC - in response to Message 529501. HEY! Cut it out! This thread is to get the attention of the powers that be, and to solve a specific problem with the project. Take this argument elsewhere. I apologize zombie67 I take offense when someone insinuates that our team is being secretive when actually is commonplace. On topic: Thanks Matt for addressing this! ID: 529690 ·

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