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JAMC Send message Joined: 2 Jan 07 Posts: 71 Credit: 9,521,522 RAC: 0 |
I'm thinking about building a PC as inexpensively as possible for BOINC use only to run 24/7. So the focus would be on the CPU and memory, small-ish HD with a MB with integrated sound and graphics (if they still make those). Again the focus is no frills/ cheap unless it impacts crunching power. Ideas? |
Astro Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
In general, get atleast 512M ram(per core), and as high of L2 cache as possible. I buy uATX boards ASUS K8V-MX (939), A8V-VM (939), M2NPV-VM (AM2) all have S3 integrated video for AMD, and cost mid $80. Don't skimp on the power supply, 80%+ eff w/switching is good, I use Enermax "Noise taker" ($80). NOTE: these Mobos are NOT great at OCing, but you can alittle. To get good OCing you have to get the mid to upper $100 boards , require a Video card ($50 minimum), and high end ram. You could put that extra money into another cheap system and get more work throughput than you could with the OCing anyway (this is my opinion). |
daniel Send message Joined: 17 Aug 06 Posts: 183 Credit: 495,473 RAC: 0 |
donate to seti |
Suzuki Send message Joined: 17 Sep 01 Posts: 318 Credit: 4,474,402 RAC: 1 |
donate to seti LOL - can't disagree with that sentiment, but Astro is bang on with his recommendations. I've been looking at adding more rigs cheaply and came up with a very similar spec. But we should consider ading to the coffers at Berkeley, else there may be nothing to crunch! Steve. |
zombie67 [MM] Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0 |
The only change I would make to this would be graphics. Integrated graphics slow down your processor and consume your memory bandwidth. Not a lot, but some. A graphics card, plenty good enough for a dedicated cruncher, can be bought for less than $35. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA |
spitfire_mk_2 Send message Joined: 14 Apr 00 Posts: 563 Credit: 27,306,885 RAC: 0 |
1) The cheapest motherboard that will support Intel E6600 (~70 dollars). 2) Intel E6600 3) 256-512 MB of RAM (I am in favor of 512 though). 4) Windows XP Home Edition (at the least, XP Pro at max.) Since this machine is for SETI only, the sound does not matter, the integrated video is fine to have too, I have a couple of old ISA and PCI video cards I might reuse, maybe you have some too. No overclocking is projected, but it is still possible. The hard drive does not matter as long as OS fits on it. (I wonder if basic XP will fit on old WD Caviar :)) SETI is not hard drive intensive. The power supply does not matter since all you have is hard drive, CPU and a fans getting all the "juice". 300 watts probably is more then enough. Case does not matter since the machine will be sitting somewhere in the corner crunching and nothing else. |
mikey Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0 |
1) The cheapest motherboard that will support Intel E6600 (~70 dollars). You could get away with Win2k if you really wanted to go cheaper. The hard drive can be as small as 10gig. You CAN use as small as a 2gig but you won't cache many units, and CPD units may be waaaay to big. Windows only uses about 1 1/2 gig for itself, but you will need some space for the workunits. And you will need a cd at least initially to load the OS. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21241 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
You could get away with Win2k if you really wanted to go cheaper. The hard drive can be as small as 10gig. You CAN use as small as a 2gig but you won't cache many units, and CPD units may be waaaay to big. With DSL Linux, you can go down to just 50 MBytes. It also comes for "free". Even the main distros will operate well with less than 2 GBytes of HDD space. You can even go diskless. Take a look at the Kubuntu or Ubuntu liveCD. Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
daniel Send message Joined: 17 Aug 06 Posts: 183 Credit: 495,473 RAC: 0 |
donate to seti there is a person in a thread i started that said they would be willing to give a server to seti and eric is looking into it. it is on page 2 under donate hardware |
JAMC Send message Joined: 2 Jan 07 Posts: 71 Credit: 9,521,522 RAC: 0 |
I have laying around- (1) 7200 RPM 80GB WD hard drive, and an orphaned full copy of 2000 PRO Looking at the following items new: CPU- Core2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4 GHz >$315 ... Ok, not so much a cheap item but I am putting some savings from the above items back in MB- GA-965P-S3 > $105 RAM- (2) x 512 MB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800> $152 Case- Antec SLK 3000-B >$60 PS- Enermax 420W >$79 Video Card- cheap PCI-E TBD So putting the money into CPU, Ram and MB with high efficiency PS, cheap case and video card... How does this look so far? Assume a SETI donation in the budget :) |
mikey Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0 |
I have laying around- (1) 7200 RPM 80GB WD hard drive, and an orphaned full copy of 2000 PRO If this is a Seti only machine go with only 512 meg of ram, but you could still need 2 sticks to do the dual channel. Seti does not need 1 gig of ram. And don't forget the fans for the case and cpu. |
Paydirt Send message Joined: 17 Sep 00 Posts: 53 Credit: 37,938 RAC: 0 |
OK, I've done a decent amount of research on this. This build would be more expensive PER MACHINE, but less expensive per credit (or per processor power). You could build a 8-Core, dual four-core Xeon 1.6 GHz machine for $1300 +case +HD +PSU. My guess is that it would be around 2.66 the power of a E6600 build at less than 2.66 the cost (if you bought 2.66 E6600 builds to each E5310 build). ($696) 2 Intel Xeon Quad-Core E5310 1066 MHz 8MB L2 cache CPU ($298) Gigabyte GA-7VCSV Dual Xeon Server Motherboard ($288) 2 GBs Kingston FB-DIMM RAM. (must get FB-DIMM RAM with this mobo) SETI doesn't use much RAM. Even with something like Rosetta@Home which uses around 120k per instance, you would still have enough. |
peristalsis Send message Joined: 23 Jul 99 Posts: 154 Credit: 28,610,163 RAC: 51 |
I'm building another one myself. Had a PSU, a mobo, 80 gig HDD, a gig of ram, and a dvd drive laying around. Just ordered a case, video card and a KVM from newegg for $149.00 and an AMD 4400 X2 cpu from ebay for $175.00. Will install SimplyMepis (linux) to get away from Bill's nonsense...p |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
($288) 2 GBs Kingston FB-DIMM RAM. (must get FB-DIMM RAM with this mobo) Make sure you get this as 4 x 512MB (Kingston KVR667D2S8F5/512) - $86 each at Newegg. May be slightly more expensive than 2 x 1GB, but well worth it. |
Paydirt Send message Joined: 17 Sep 00 Posts: 53 Credit: 37,938 RAC: 0 |
($288) 2 GBs Kingston FB-DIMM RAM. (must get FB-DIMM RAM with this mobo) Richard, can you point me to some benchmarks that have 4x512MB vs 2x1GB of RAM in a two or more processor machine? I've been looking for that! |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
($288) 2 GBs Kingston FB-DIMM RAM. (must get FB-DIMM RAM with this mobo) I can't do exactly that, but I can give you the difference between 2x1GB and 4x1GB. My host 2901600 is a dual Xeon 5320: it started life with 2 x 1GB @ 667MHz, but I was so disappointed that I upgraded to 4 x 1GB. We've discussed it in a couple of threads: here are links to the before'n'after comparison, but have a browse through the full threads for discussion of e.g. SiSoft benchmarks. Core 2 comparison - Xeon E5320 vs E6300 The Attack of the Killer 58.7s |
spitfire_mk_2 Send message Joined: 14 Apr 00 Posts: 563 Credit: 27,306,885 RAC: 0 |
I have laying around- (1) 7200 RPM 80GB WD hard drive, and an orphaned full copy of 2000 PRO Lets review: 1) Hard drive is free :) 2) OS is free :) 3) Intel E6600, yes. 4) 105 for motherboard? What the heck for? On the other hand, it is your money, do what you like. 5) 152 dollars for RAM? Waste of money. All you need is the two stick kit for like 90-100 dollars, Corsair makes some of those too, I would just get the cheapest possible. My Mobile Semprone with 512 MB of RAM is spanking my P3 with 1 GB of RAM. SETI is not RAM intensive, you do not need expansive RAM at all and you only need enough RAM to run the OS well, one gig sounds good so I am not going to try to talk you out of doing that, but don't buy the expansive kind, you just wasting money. 6) 60 dollars for a case? Are you OK buddy? All you need is the 10 dollar special from the local PC store. 7) I was going to critic your power supply too, but then I thought better. The machine will be on 27/7, so a quality PS is important, might as well put some money into it. 8) You do not need a PCI-E card at all. Just get some pci card for 5 bucks or something and you are ready to go. Or you motherboard might have on-board video too. The only thing you Really need to put money in are: the CPU and the PS. If you skip all the fancy crap, you might want to buy the E6700 instead of the 6600. Now that! Will be worth your while. In conclusion. Run the Chicken's optimized app. |
zombie67 [MM] Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0 |
Lets review: All good points. However, your point about mobo ad memory...all depends on if he intends to OC. If not, you're spot on. If he want's to OC, mobo and memory matter. In conclusion. Run the Chicken's optimized app. Actually the best advice of all. It's not only free, but it will have the biggest impact as well. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA |
spitfire_mk_2 Send message Joined: 14 Apr 00 Posts: 563 Credit: 27,306,885 RAC: 0 |
Lets review: You will not hear an argument from me, but as you have pointed out and as I think I have read from the original poster, the overclocking was not planned, that is why I have applied my strictest money saving criteria. |
Natronomonas Send message Joined: 13 Apr 02 Posts: 176 Credit: 3,367,602 RAC: 0 |
Why not consider the e4300? (200/800FSB, 2mb, C2D, 1.8ghz) Put it with a mobo that supports 1066 FSB (eg, p5l-vm) and crank the fsb from default (200) to 266 (1066). Get yourself a 2.4ghz processor for about 1/2 the cost of the 6600, but with half the cache (you're still probably ahead). All reports indicate this is easily done on stock cooling, mostly without even a voltage bump. Throw in 512mb ddr2/667 (same price as 533 these days) and a hdd, and a decent PSU and you're set hardware wise. Grab ubuntu or any other linux distro and you're good to go. Donate to SETI the savings from not paying for another WinXP licence or e6600. : ) Crunching SETI@Home as a member of the Whirlpool BOINC Teams |
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