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Message 503917 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 5:40:57 UTC - in response to Message 503911.  

Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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Message 503918 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 5:41:01 UTC - in response to Message 503911.  

The amount of data analyzed will still be zero.


OK, what evidence do you have that the data is NOT being analysed? All you have done so far is just repeat the statement.

Don't expect to get the answer you want. He'll just keep throwing his "facts" out there to keep stirring the pot.


How about this post from Eric?

That still won't make BrainSmashr Happy. Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.


I was defending BrainSmashR's position.


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Message 504009 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 12:06:41 UTC - in response to Message 503917.  

Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?

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Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?

...???
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Message 504133 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 16:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 504122.  
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Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?

...???


Ah yes, "you know you want to???"

Go on then, ... push it

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Message 504134 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 16:36:37 UTC - in response to Message 504009.  

Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?

She's upgraded to these ones now, so behave yourselves :p

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Message 504181 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 20:28:07 UTC - in response to Message 504133.  

Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?

...???


Ah yes, "you know you want to???"

Go on then, ... push it

(the young lady is trying to sing with an ice cube in her mouth)

I PUSHED IT! I PUSHED IT!

I can hardly wait to see what happens now! LOL

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Message 504196 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 20:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 504009.  
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Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

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What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?


-------------> Do you want to push the button?


And I pushed it and look at all those wonderful things that has happened to me lately. You know what! ;-D


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Message 504218 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 21:21:57 UTC
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2006 Click the link...it's kid friendly...

Just bear with the commerical...for the goodies.
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Message 504323 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 0:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 503918.  

The amount of data analyzed will still be zero.


OK, what evidence do you have that the data is NOT being analysed? All you have done so far is just repeat the statement.

Don't expect to get the answer you want. He'll just keep throwing his "facts" out there to keep stirring the pot.


How about this post from Eric?

That still won't make BrainSmashr Happy. Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.


I was defending BrainSmashR's position.


Whether you are blunt or really polite about it, the facts speak for themself.

The last round of candidate analysis was done in 2002. So what BSR has said is true in essence post 2002.

5 years the project has run without an analysis engine, now tell me how many commercial projects can run this long with being canned?

I can buy ErikK's response about "catch22's" and budget constraints but folks
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Message 504327 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 1:13:29 UTC - in response to Message 504239.  

Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.

Blame Misfit?

What ever happened to Fuzzy's Magic Button?


-------------> Do you want to push the button?


And I pushed it and look at all those wonderful things that has happened to me lately. You know what! ;-D


All those who want to be Mods, please form an orderly queue on the left.


LMAO Oh yes, that is one of the things. Misfit was so kind to make a comment about that here, which, of course, called forth the obligatory slap from me (If some of you have notice lately that Misfit has become less coherent, then the explanation is all the slaps he has got from me, it's not my fault he's not wearing his helmet, is it? :-P).

But a lot of good things is happening to me right now, Beets knows about them. I won't tell about it here, at least right not now.

So there! :-P


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Message 504329 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 1:18:45 UTC - in response to Message 503918.  

The amount of data analyzed will still be zero.


OK, what evidence do you have that the data is NOT being analysed? All you have done so far is just repeat the statement.

Don't expect to get the answer you want. He'll just keep throwing his "facts" out there to keep stirring the pot.


How about this post from Eric?

That still won't make BrainSmashr Happy. Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.


I was defending BrainSmashR's position.


Whether you are blunt or really polite about it, the facts speak for themself.

The last round of candidate analysis was done in 2002 (this is an undisputed fact - CHECK THE SCIENCE PAGES). So what BSR has said "if everyone on the planet crunches or no one crunches makes no difference" is true in essence until the engine is developed. Let us hope the data on the tapes is still readable (yes data tapes do age and have a shelf life even if stored in excellent storage facilities with constant climate control - temperature and humidity).

5 years the project has run without an analysis engine. Now tell me how many projects not bearing any kind of results can run this long without being canned?

I can't buy ErikK's response about "catch22's" and budget constraints because folks THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM, ITS BEEN HERE FOR 5 LONG YEARS. Furthermore the response to this apparent 'now' problem is not promising. There has been no indication that candidate analysis will be give priority over anything else in fact the only thing that is clear is that work unit collection and crunching is number #1. I say this because the month to month budget published indicates money being spent on “multibeam development”.

It would appear that most people are under the impression that SETI@HOME IS analysing data. This is a huge misconception and omission by SETI@HOME which to me is bordering on unethical (especially when you ask for money to continue the endeavour).

Frankly when asked about project priorities AGAIN and AGAIN, there is no response except that the collection of workunits for crunching is priority number #1 - The Multibeam recorder (see Why I Cannot Donate - Technical

From all of this, all I can deduce is that it is likely we could all wait another 5 years or perhaps 10 for candidate analysis. Worse, it may never happen because the project folds. Regardless, if everyone is that patient, then please by all means crunch on and continue to donate.

This post will probably be perceived as negative, but that is not the objective. The objective is to bring the facts to light and ask the SETI@HOME team to re-assess their project priorities or at least justify and explain why candidate analysis has been stalled for 5 long years and publish a list of project priorities.

The "catch 22" answer does not cut it.
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Message 504335 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 1:58:25 UTC - in response to Message 504329.  

The amount of data analyzed will still be zero.


OK, what evidence do you have that the data is NOT being analysed? All you have done so far is just repeat the statement.

Don't expect to get the answer you want. He'll just keep throwing his "facts" out there to keep stirring the pot.


How about this post from Eric?

That still won't make BrainSmashr Happy. Everything should just work, by clicking your heels and saying the magic words.


I was defending BrainSmashR's position.


Whether you are blunt or really polite about it, the facts speak for themself.

The last round of candidate analysis was done in 2002 (this is an undisputed fact - CHECK THE SCIENCE PAGES). So what BSR has said "if everyone on the planet crunches or no one crunches makes no difference" is true in essence until the engine is developed. Let us hope the data on the tapes is still readable (yes data tapes do age and have a shelf life even if stored in excellent storage facilities with constant climate control - temperature and humidity).

5 years the project has run without an analysis engine. Now tell me how many projects not bearing any kind of results can run this long without being canned?

I can't buy ErikK's response about "catch22's" and budget constraints because folks THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM, ITS BEEN HERE FOR 5 LONG YEARS. Furthermore the response to this apparent 'now' problem is not promising. There has been no indication that candidate analysis will be give priority over anything else in fact the only thing that is clear is that work unit collection and crunching is number #1. I say this because the month to month budget published indicates money being spent on “multibeam development”.

It would appear that most people are under the impression that SETI@HOME IS analysing data. This is a huge misconception and omission by SETI@HOME which to me is bordering on unethical (especially when you ask for money to continue the endeavour).

Frankly when asked about project priorities AGAIN and AGAIN, there is no response except that the collection of workunits for crunching is priority number #1 - The Multibeam recorder (see Why I Cannot Donate - Technical

From all of this, all I can deduce is that it is likely we could all wait another 5 years or perhaps 10 for candidate analysis. Worse, it may never happen because the project folds. Regardless, if everyone is that patient, then please by all means crunch on and continue to donate.

This post will probably be perceived as negative, but that is not the objective. The objective is to bring the facts to light and ask the SETI@HOME team to re-assess their project priorities or at least justify and explain why candidate analysis has been stalled for 5 long years and publish a list of project priorities.

The "catch 22" answer does not cut it.


Then we can't wait for you to offer your assistance. Please do.


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Message 504349 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 2:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 504327.  

LMAO Oh yes, that is one of the things. Misfit was so kind to make a comment about that here, which, of course, called forth the obligatory slap from me (If some of you have notice lately that Misfit has become less coherent, then the explanation is all the slaps he has got from me, it's not my fault he's not wearing his helmet, is it? :-P).

I took that off when I escaped from the harness.
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Message 504373 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 4:29:52 UTC - in response to Message 504335.  
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Then we can't wait for you to offer your assistance. Please do.



Assistance was offered, but someone implied that users with full-time jobs living outside of the Bay Area would be unacceptable....basically eliminating, what, 99% of SETI@Home users?


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Message 504377 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 4:45:47 UTC - in response to Message 504373.  



Then we can't wait for you to offer your assistance. Please do.



Assistance was offered, but someone implied that users with full-time jobs living outside of the Bay Area would be unacceptable....basically eliminating, what, 99% of SETI@Home users?


BrainSmashR, I don't know who said that. I have offered my assistance, and God knows I don't live in the Bay area (San Francisco???), and I have my days full.

So if you have skills they need, a strong C++ background or a SQL background, please offer yourself.

Btw, I don't know if I have said this before, but I like your present avatar much better than the one you had before. ;-)


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Message 504512 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 13:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 504377.  
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BrainSmashR, I don't know who said that. I have offered my assistance, and God knows I don't live in the Bay area (San Francisco???), and I have my days full.


1. Did you even read the link that has been posted numerous times on this thread or are your responses based strictly on your own opinions? No offense honey, but you need to go educate yourself on the matter because Eric himself suggested that help from outside of the Bay Area wouldn't work...and I quote:
Much of what we need to do on the requires visual communication which is best done in person. The time commitment is fairly substantial. Those things pretty much leave out volunteers with 9 to 5 jobs. But if anyone in the Bay Area wants to volunteer, I'll be happy to take you up on it.

2. Was your offer accepted (and where is the volunteer link anyway) or are you just referring to your newly acquired title of moderator? While I agree that constitutes "help"....it's really more of the same problem we've been experiencing all along. Efforts needs to be focused on making the project work, not on any aspect of the forum be it selecting new moderators or writing code to reset my signature every time a page refreshes.


So if you have skills they need, a strong C++ background or a SQL background, please offer yourself.


I have slightly above average knowledge of php and sql, but I also have a full-time job, and although not quite as far as you, I DO live well outside of the bay area.

Btw, I don't know if I have said this before, but I like your present avatar much better than the one you had before. ;-)


Thank you, that's a picture of me taken Christmas Day, 2006


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BrainSmashR, I don't know who said that. I have offered my assistance, and God knows I don't live in the Bay area (San Francisco???), and I have my days full.


1. Did you even read the link that has been posted numerous times on this thread or are your responses based strictly on your own opinions? No offense honey, but you need to go educate yourself on the matter because Eric himself suggested that help from outside of the Bay Area wouldn't work...and I quote:
Much of what we need to do on the requires visual communication which is best done in person. The time commitment is fairly substantial. Those things pretty much leave out volunteers with 9 to 5 jobs. But if anyone in the Bay Area wants to volunteer, I'll be happy to take you up on it.

2. Was your offer accepted (and where is the volunteer link anyway) or are you just referring to your newly acquired title of moderator? While I agree that constitutes "help"....it's really more of the same problem we've been experiencing all along. Efforts needs to be focused on making the project work, not on any aspect of the forum be it selecting new moderators or writing code to reset my signature every time a page refreshes.


So if you have skills they need, a strong C++ background or a SQL background, please offer yourself.


I have slightly above average knowledge of php and sql, but I also have a full-time job, and although not quite as far as you, I DO live well outside of the bay area.

Btw, I don't know if I have said this before, but I like your present avatar much better than the one you had before. ;-)


Thank you, that's a picture of me taken Christmas Day, 2006


Nice pic of you. :-)

I refer to recent communications between Eric and me, where I have offered my help and he will send me some material to look at in regard of statistics and SQL. He hasn't yet, as he's very busy this week with exams. But I'm waiting for what he'll send me. Then I can determine if my skills match what he needs.

I don't have a full time job, in fact I don't have a job right now, so I have the time to brush up my knowledge about theoretical statistics, and what he might need in regard of scientific statistics. But I'm also aware of that when I start in my new job here (hopefully soon), where I'll work 15 hours per week, I might not be able to work for him too, considering my disability with chronic fatigue. But I hope the best and I have made that clear to him already.

My moderator title hasn't anything to do with this.


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Message 504562 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 15:03:29 UTC - in response to Message 504516.  


@ Chris . . .

You may want to look into these Suggestions and see what you can do there . . .

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As I understand of all this, via distributed computing (BOINC) we crunch the raw data as workunits, and send them back to Berkeley, where the most promising signal candidates are weeded out for further analysis. This further analysis apparently hasn't been continued since 2002 due to lack of staff and funds.

Now the question to be asked is this, does this secondary analysis NEED to be done by a Berkeley scientist sitting at his desk? If there is, or was, an automatic secondary analysis program, why could that not be done via distributed computing as well?

Is it not possible to send out "promising" data to selected users, who wouldn't need to be accomplised in C++ or whatever, but would be technically "savvy" and have the computing power, say P4 3Gig and above to run a secondary analysis program?

I'd be happy to volunteer for something like a "Second Line Support" person. My team has 8 rigs crunching, of which probably 4 could usefully crunch at second level. I could commit those if necessary, and leave the others as first line crunchers.

EDIT

I KNOW Eric has stated that this extra work needs a face to face, hands on approach, but there might be some mileage in weeding out promising candidates into the MOST promising candidates.

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Message 504592 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 16:26:46 UTC

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