OK, well it looks like the warning about duplicate files when starting cold has been taken care of.

Also in the second snapshot, it say the prefs were modified last on 12/6/2006 at 11:02:58.

Does that correspond to the last modified time on your General Prefs page?

Alinator

Andy wrote:

Swap step 2) and 3) and add 1b) set Boinc to "network activity suspended" (activity menu, just to make sure, Boinc does not report some aborted work units - don't forget to turn it back on on success) and 1c) make a temporarly copy of the whole Boinc folder and its subfolders (just in case...). So:
Andy

Once I left my last post I didn't get back until now, so I missed all of your suggestions.

However, I did "switch steps 2 and 3" before the reboot (closed BOINC BEFORE moving the XML files).
Also, I only copied those XML's with the double-dots and moved them out of the BOINC Directory to a Temp folder (where they remain).
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Andy wrote:

set Boinc to "network activity suspended" (activity menu, just to make sure, Boinc does not report some aborted work units - don't forget to turn it back on on success)

So, I did NOT do this.
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Andy wrote:

For your login: It could be, that something's wrong with your email addy/password stored at Berkeleys. If the steps above don't work, you might consider to check (or even retype) them by going to Your Account page.

Yes, this needs to be resolved...whenever the next upgrade is made available, I suspect I'll have the same login problem and...well...here we go again..lol
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Ok, here's the deal...

Before moving those XML's and rebooting I took this pic of Messages:



After rebooting, BOINC Manager started (I could see the Icon in the System Tray and Windows Task Manager indicating that boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe were running).

I opened BOINC to check Messages to be sure there was activity (and there was) and then let BOINC run for just over an hour and took this pic:



Projects and Tasks Tabs are showing the SAH project and all seems to be in order.

I still see however that "Pausing task.....(removed from memory)" note so, I don't know how big a deal that is and if I'm losing any valuable computer time on the SAH Project.
and this has been in General Preferences since pointed out earlier:

Leave applications in memory while suspended? yes
(suspended applications will consume swap space if 'yes')

I'll stop here and let you absorb all of that.

Telstar

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LOL....

I concur.

Also, I relieve you, sir. I have the conn. :-)

<edit> back in few.... off to check the coffee pot. ;-)

Alinator

Swap step 2) and 3) and add 1b) set Boinc to "network activity suspended" (activity menu, just to make sure, Boinc does not report some aborted work units - don't forget to turn it back on on success) and 1c) make a temporarly copy of the whole Boinc folder and its subfolders (just in case...). So:

1) Take an image (it you want to)
1b) as above
1c) as above
2) Exit Boinc
3) Move files...
4) Reboot
and so on...

For your login: It could be, that something's wrong with your email addy/password stored at Berkeleys. If the steps above don't work, you might consider to check (or even retype) them by going to Your Account page.

I'm off to bed now, since it's way past midnight here... so probably someone else (starting with an "A" ;-)) has to jump in...

Andy

Ok folks...time for me to make a bold move here.

Being that the "double-dots" are unnatural, aberrations..."out of spec" so to speak...

Here's what I'm about to do:

1) Take an image of the BOINC Manager Messages as it looks right now.

2) Move ALL the "double-dot" XML files to a temp Folder.

3) Close BOINC

4) Reboot

5) BOINC will start (umm..will it?) at restart...I'll let it run for a while and check Messages and post an image showing the result, or

6) Post back here with the bad news that BOINC did not start OR, I was asked again for my email and Password (which probably would NOT be accepted).

Let's see what happens...

be back later...

Telstar

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So it's mystery, and I hate mysteries when it comes to computers (since they just shouldn't happen, by definition). ;-)
Alinator

lol...I know...it keeps me awake at night!

Case in point:

Richard Haselgrove wrote:

"the only worry I have about the messages in your log is - why on earth was the user active at 2:06 AM and 4:44 AM - don't you sleep in your part of the world???!!!"

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I'm comparing the dupes and even some of those the same size (5KB) show appreciable differences.

(Thinking caps on?)


btw...I seem to recall (but don't hold me to it) that when I copied the saved XML files to the "new" BOINC Directory I was asked if I wanted to "replace" those that were already in there and I said "Yes to all"...but apparently "new" files were created instead?
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Ok, here's an interesting question that just came to mind...

why are the XML files showing "date Modified" as 12/6/2006? (that's TODAY of course)
...when I have NOT done anthing to those files (e.g. edits)?
...and notice that these "12/6/2006" XML's are "single-dots"...
...while the "older" XML's are "double-dots".
duh!...I guess it means that each time I log on (actually stop using my computer since BOINC only works while I'm away) something changes in that file.

The plot thickens!

Telstar


***Guys! I'll be away for a couple of hours...I'll check back at that time.
Hopefully this effort that y'all are putting into this mystery is going to help someone else down the road...then it will all have been worth it.
Telstar :)

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Yep, that's a question that's been nagging me all along.

Just where did the "Double Dot" come from in the first place? I've upgraded over previous installs and uninstall/reinstall upgraded, as well as attached hosts using both the old URL/Account Key method and the new style Email Addy/PW method and that never happened.

So it's mystery, and I hate mysteries when it comes to computers (since they just shouldn't happen, by definition). ;-)

Alinator

<edit> Actually two questions the other is why it was giving you grief on a clean install.

Alinator wrote:

So definitely make sure the contents of both are the same since this implies it was ignoring the correct one.
Alinator

Ok, I suggest cautionary moves here....because (I refer back to something I pointed out in my earlier posts:

Telstar wrote:

Synopsis:
>If you recall, I had saved these XML data storage files from my original BOINC Manager Directory "before" starting the first clean uninstall of v5.2.13 and upgrading to v5.4.11:

account_*.xml File
statistics_*.xml file,
scheduler_request_*.xml
scheduler_reply.xml
plus...
client_state.xml
(basically, ALL of the XML files)

Saving these to a temp Folder turned out to be my salvation...
because...I was NEVER able to successfully attach my SAH Project to the new version of BOINC (would NOT accept my email or password)...

Let's think about this while I compare those .xml files in my Directory.
Deleting the "wrong" one might interfere with my ability to contact SAH.

(It never was determined WHY my email and password were rejected during the installation of v5.4.11 and attaching SAH...only that I was able to by "replacing" those XML files with my saved ones from v5.2.13)

Telstar

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You know I was thinking about duplicate files before, since I interpreted the message intially as:

Duplicate account file: account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml - ignoring

So definitely make sure the contents of both are the same since this implies it was ignoring the correct one.

Alinator

<edit> Maybe we got the "Prize" this time. :-)

Besides this, those double-dots are older than the one-dots...

LOL! Yeah, thats the question... Curgan or Ramirez...

And to make a quorum - my vote goes to "delete any (almost) duplicate which has a '..' in the name"...

... but make a backup of the whole directory first!

AHHHH.... It's kind of like "Highlander", "There should be only one..." of each.

So the only question now is which one is BOINC ignoring. If the contents are all the same for the pairs, then delete the ones with ".." and you should be good to go.

Alinator

<edit> Glad I checked back. I was just getting ready to turn that host I mentioned into a guinea pig. ;-)

I'm not doing anything to my BOINC (Directory) XML files until we all agree on what has to be edited/deleted.

My vote is: Delete the files with the double-dots at the end (that is, Account_seti.., master_seti.., sched_reply_seti.., sched_request_seti.. and statistics_seti.. i've shortened their names - you know, which files I mean ;-)). I'm not quite sure about "statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu..xml", but would also delete it, since I *guess* it has the same content as the other one...

Andy

[Edit] Waiting for my quorum partners to validate... ;-) [/Edit]

Jakob Creutzfeld wrote:

Could it be, that you now have to account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml files in your Boinc directoy (one named "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml" and one named "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu..xml" <- two dots at the end!)?
My guess is that, while Boinc is scanning the directory for account files, Boinc finds both of them (due to its fault tolerance) and thinks, they are for the same account/project.
Alinator, how about that?
Andy

Hold the phone guys!

I believe "good catch" Andy may have something here!

From my BOINC Directory:


Thoughts?

Telstar
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ADD EDIT:

...and as I delve further, take a look at other duplicates (with double "periods").



I'm not doing anything to my BOINC (Directory) XML files until we all agree on what has to be edited/deleted.

Thank you all...

Telstar

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This behaviour is normal by default, but you can fine-tune it by going to 'Your account' on the navigation bar above this forum, and choosing the link for 'General preferences'. There are lots of things to play with, but your question concerns nos. 2 and 4 in the top section: 'Do work while computer is in use?' and 'Leave applications in memory while suspended?'.
I guess you have 'no' for both of these.

You are correct sir!
I've now changed no. 4 to "yes": "Leave applications in memory while suspended".
Seems that should take care of it (I'll check Messages later on).
Since my computer is not a "muscle" machine I still prefer BOINC to do it's work when I'm NOT at my computer to save resources for other tasks and avoid that "sluggishness" you've aluded to.

Richard Haselgrove wrote:

The only worry I have about the messages in your log is - why on earth was the user active at 2:06 AM and 4:44 AM - don't you sleep in your part of the world???!!!

While this may be you-->>>

This is me-->>>

Hey, what can I say? LOL

Oh, and thanks for pointing that out Richard, that astute observation will keep me awake at night for sure now...LOL

Telstar

(hmm...my emoticons aren't showing...guess this Forum doesn't handle javascript!)

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I short guess: Could it be, that you now have to account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml files in your Boinc directoy (one named "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml" and one named "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu..xml" <- two dots at the end!)? My guess is that, while Boinc is scanning the directory for account files, Boinc finds both of them (due to its fault tolerance) and thinks, they are for the same account/project.

As far as I know, you're now on the "normal" url, so the "wrong" file (with the two dots at the end) - if it's still there - shouldn't be needed anymore.

Alinator, how about that?

Andy

My only concern is on the lines where it says in parentheses"
"Pausing task xxxxxxxxxx (removed from memory)"

Is this ("removed from memory") normal behavior?

While Alinator is going over the logs, maybe I'll pick up on this one. :-)

This behaviour is normal by default, but you can fine-tune it by going to 'Your account' on the navigation bar above this forum, and choosing the link for 'General preferences'. There are lots of things to play with, but your question concerns nos. 2 and 4 in the top section: 'Do work while computer is in use?' and 'Leave applications in memory while suspended?'.

I guess you have 'no' for both of these. If you change them to 'yes', SETI will crunch more efficiently - it won't pause so often, and it'll be quicker to start back up if it does have to pause. But you may find that your computer is a bit sluggish with those settings - try it, and go back to the previous setting if you decide you can't live with it. Remember that you have to save the changes on the website, and then click the 'update' button in BOINC Manager, for the changes to take effect.

The only worry I have about the messages in your log is - why on earth was the user active at 2:06 AM and 4:44 AM - don't you sleep in your part of the world???!!!

Yep, that's the normal default BOINC behaviour, and is controlled from your General Preferences with the "Leave Applications in Memeory" option.

The advantage to leaving them in memory is you don't loose the little bit of time between the last checkpoint and when it pauses (and would depend on how the app is designed, IOW you might not lose anything). The disadvantage is it will use more swap file space if Windows needs to free up memory for something else.

Alinator

So this might take a little bit of time to get to the bottom of, if you don't mind bearing with it.
Alinator

Take your time Alinator, I'll check back later on.

That error line has NOT shown itself since the one I posted that I received yesterday (at 2:20:50 p.m.[PST]) so, it's been almost 20 hours or so since I received it, so this doesn't seem to be a major issue since it's not recurring with any frequency and doesn't seem to be inhibiting BOINC or the SAH server from doing their job.

Just while you're at it, please have a look at my latest Messages and see if anything stands out as odd.



My only concern is on the lines where it says in parentheses"
"Pausing task xxxxxxxxxx (removed from memory)"

Is this ("removed from memory") normal behavior?

Thanks again Alinator,

Telstar

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I did a line by line screen comparo with one of mine and didn't see a reason for it. Of course that doesn't mean I didn't miss something. ;-)

I'm going to print them out and then go over them with a fine tooth comb next.

I see from your summary you spawned a new Host ID, but other than that I can assume it's running properly except for the warning?

One of my hosts is nearing completion of it's last SAH result, so I'm going to NNW it and then see if I can duplicate your problem and figure out how to fix it. Guess I really should consider putting together a "throwaway" host for performing Heavy Duty Troubleshooting and deliberate BOINC "abuse" on. :-)

So this might take a little bit of time to get to the bottom of, if you don't mind bearing with it. Unless someone else sees the problem right away that is. ;-)

Alinator