Speaking of which, anyone got a spare 5.25" double-sided high-density flop?

I've got a spare bay on the P4 box and lotsa data from the ol' Atari I'd like to rescue...

osascript -e AppleScript -l "tell application \\"Off-Topic\\" to quit"

I have a box of 10 still shrinkwrapped. But I've no idea how I could get them to you?

I'll reread my P4's manual to see what drives it supports.

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Speaking of which, anyone got a spare 5.25" double-sided high-density flop?

I've got a spare bay on the P4 box and lotsa data from the ol' Atari I'd like to rescue...

osascript -e AppleScript -l "tell application \\"Off-Topic\\" to quit"

I have a box of 10 still shrinkwrapped. But I've no idea how I could get them to you?

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i think if you have paid for a cd or dvd, you have everyright to store it in what ever format you want to, so as to protect your original copy from being damaged.

where the greed comes in, is when they charge you almost the same price for a cd online as what you pay for it in the store, and have no cover no case, not cd, no need to make it so obvious that we are being ripped off.
so i have no sympathy for sony or them that feel they are being ripped off.
when they start to make pricing fair again, i'll stop downloading songs from the net.

You´re most right in this case sammie.
But i know a person which was near to death because of making this rights available for everyone.
In germany its against the law to copy protected titles in what form ever.

sorry i dont see how someone can die when you buy a cd and copy it on your pc to play when you want to.

What i can say is that this guy lived in england and was planned to get murdered
if he continues his action.

In berlin a guy was jailed because he copied over 200 cds most of them from sony
but it didn´t work in his car because the protection sheme.
Sonys comment was that it isn´t a right to a person that all copy have to work on all players.

But the guy won.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

i think if you have paid for a cd or dvd, you have everyright to store it in what ever format you want to, so as to protect your original copy from being damaged.

where the greed comes in, is when they charge you almost the same price for a cd online as what you pay for it in the store, and have no cover no case, not cd, no need to make it so obvious that we are being ripped off.
so i have no sympathy for sony or them that feel they are being ripped off.
when they start to make pricing fair again, i'll stop downloading songs from the net.

You´re most right in this case sammie.
But i know a person which was near to death because of making this rights available for everyone.
In germany its against the law to copy protected titles in what form ever.

sorry i dont see how someone can die when you buy a cd and copy it on your pc to play when you want to.

maybe that person was almost starving on a hunger-strike or something against those "those who copy protected stuff are criminals"-laws which try to put simple back-up copies to the level of industrial espionage?

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i think if you have paid for a cd or dvd, you have everyright to store it in what ever format you want to, so as to protect your original copy from being damaged.

where the greed comes in, is when they charge you almost the same price for a cd online as what you pay for it in the store, and have no cover no case, not cd, no need to make it so obvious that we are being ripped off.
so i have no sympathy for sony or them that feel they are being ripped off.
when they start to make pricing fair again, i'll stop downloading songs from the net.

You´re most right in this case sammie.
But i know a person which was near to death because of making this rights available for everyone.
In germany its against the law to copy protected titles in what form ever.

sorry i dont see how someone can die when you buy a cd and copy it on your pc to play when you want to.

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

i think if you have paid for a cd or dvd, you have everyright to store it in what ever format you want to, so as to protect your original copy from being damaged.

where the greed comes in, is when they charge you almost the same price for a cd online as what you pay for it in the store, and have no cover no case, not cd, no need to make it so obvious that we are being ripped off.
so i have no sympathy for sony or them that feel they are being ripped off.
when they start to make pricing fair again, i'll stop downloading songs from the net.

You´re most right in this case sammie.
But i know a person which was near to death because of making this rights available for everyone.
In germany its against the law to copy protected titles in what form ever.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

i think if you have paid for a cd or dvd, you have everyright to store it in what ever format you want to, so as to protect your original copy from being damaged.

where the greed comes in, is when they charge you almost the same price for a cd online as what you pay for it in the store, and have no cover no case, not cd, no need to make it so obvious that we are being ripped off.
so i have no sympathy for sony or them that feel they are being ripped off.
when they start to make pricing fair again, i'll stop downloading songs from the net.

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

Although then raises the question why should we store this data on any medium illegally? When we can listen/view any song, movie we want every day
again and again day afther day by using internet. Storage media do cost money afterall.

Why would you want to search for 100s of songs over and over, and worry whether a site will remove your 35th favorite song of 1993 to replace it with another song, stop serving music or just not exist as a site anymore?

Otherwise, with a laptop for example, you're not always on-line, but travelling, you may want listen to your fav music or watch your fav movies. And no-one likes to carry a lot of CDs or cassettes around, that's why also I store my albums on the hard-disk, and can hear my music whenever I want it.

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Account frozen...

Although then raises the question why should we store this data on any medium illegally? When we can listen/view any song, movie we want every day
again and again day afther day by using internet. Storage media do cost money afterall.

Why would you want to search for 100s of songs over and over, and worry whether a site will remove your 35th favorite song of 1993 to replace it with another song, stop serving music or just not exist as a site anymore?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Pardon the Devil's Advocacy...

Actually its not free because we paying the fee to RIAA (SABAM for Belgium) already if we buy a Tape, Recordable-CD, Video/Sound recorder or CD-writer.

There's an assumption that the only reason why someone would buy any of them is to duplicate the music, and not backup data.

I don't (think) know if the above is true when buying a HD, usb-sticks, smart-cards etc.

Wait until music starts to be sold on any of those media.

1) From the radio, onto the cassette, the only cost is of the cassette. Radio is free.
2) TV is free. (Only cost is of the TV, not access, unless it is cable.) I could record a music video onto VHS, until such time as I get some better technology.

Radio-to-tape is illegal, but it's unenforceable, which is why people continue to do so.

3) Internet radio can also be accessed for free in MANY instances. I can record from it using the freeware program AudioGrabber. (Only cost is of the computer.)

Dubious at best since recording an audiostream is akin to the radio-to-tape example, but unlike it, this can be enforced if the audio software "respects" broadcast/record flags (and most don't for practicality reasons).

Well - Radio-to-tape is not illegal everywhere. I remember, just 15 years ago there was a youth radio channel from (Eastern) Germany broadcasting a weekly (or semi-weekly?) show named "Music for the Recorder" - I still own about thirty cassettes with complete albums on them: recorded one side at a time. And - there are (a very few) channels in Germany doing similar shows nowadays: not so explicitely, but they send no ads or comments at all, unless the album or something is over.

In my opinion, concerning software, movies and music, big business has too much influence in politics, anywhere. it _is_ possible otherwise. See Linux: Most of their products are for free, or very cheap, nonetheless they make their fortune; and Micro$oft becomes the loser after all, because they always want to force their clients to buy their oversold products, even by setting spy-bugs into the kernel (WGA-tool), and calling the users criminal who use other sources.
Like so many folks, I prefer Freeware: not only in software, but also in music :o) Hail to usenet and sharegroups!!!

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Speaking of which, anyone got a spare 5.25" double-sided high-density flop?

I've got a spare bay on the P4 box and lotsa data from the ol' Atari I'd like to rescue...

osascript -e AppleScript -l "tell application \\"Off-Topic\\" to quit"

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i better hurry and download the internet before it's closed down.








oh bugger, anyone got a spare floppy?

LOL

i still have a 178KB flop, can i mail it to you?

thanx that would be a great help.

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

i better hurry and download the internet before it's closed down.








oh bugger, anyone got a spare floppy?

LOL

i still have a 178KB flop, can i mail it to you?

i better hurry and download the internet before it's closed down.








oh bugger, anyone got a spare floppy?

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

1) From the radio, onto the cassette, the only cost is of the cassette. Radio is free.
2) TV is free. (Only cost is of the TV, not access, unless it is cable.) I could record a music video onto VHS, until such time as I get some better technology.
3) Internet radio can also be accessed for free in MANY instances. I can record from it using the freeware program AudioGrabber. (Only cost is of the computer.)

A TV/VCR and a computer obviously carry are capable of much than using them for only recording music and videos. Thus, making it well worth the cost, and making the cost of any particular song I download or record negligible.

4) I could maintain any music file I download or record on the hard drive, never using a CD-R, high density disk, or anything else. If I do, again, the price of CD-R's is so low that the cost per song is negligible, particularly if burned as a data disk full of mp3's instead of as an 80 minute music disk.

Hi Sarge,

You have spoken the key-word negligible, if we use cassette, VHS or CD. But negligible is not free...nah.
You are absolutely right if you are the end-user and store the files on HD or USB-stick because the are supposed tobe used for personally data.

Although then raises the question why should we store this data on any medium illegally? When we can listen/view any song, movie we want every day
again and again day afther day by using internet. Storage media do cost money afterall.

Pardon the Devil's Advocacy...

Actually its not free because we paying the fee to RIAA (SABAM for Belgium) already if we buy a Tape, Recordable-CD, Video/Sound recorder or CD-writer.

There's an assumption that the only reason why someone would buy any of them is to duplicate the music, and not backup data.

I don't (think) know if the above is true when buying a HD, usb-sticks, smart-cards etc.

Wait until music starts to be sold on any of those media.

1) From the radio, onto the cassette, the only cost is of the cassette. Radio is free.
2) TV is free. (Only cost is of the TV, not access, unless it is cable.) I could record a music video onto VHS, until such time as I get some better technology.

Radio-to-tape is illegal, but it's unenforceable, which is why people continue to do so.

3) Internet radio can also be accessed for free in MANY instances. I can record from it using the freeware program AudioGrabber. (Only cost is of the computer.)

Dubious at best since recording an audiostream is akin to the radio-to-tape example, but unlike it, this can be enforced if the audio software "respects" broadcast/record flags (and most don't for practicality reasons).

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A reasonable question is, WHY IS IT ILLEGAL?
I could record some of the stuff on cassette from the radio ... for FREE!
How many people REALLY have such discriminating hearing that having it in digital is SOOO much better?

Actually its not free because we paying the fee to RIAA (SABAM for Belgium) already if we buy a Tape, Recordable-CD, Video/Sound recorder or CD-writer.
I don't (think) know if the above is true when buying a HD, usb-sticks, smart-cards etc.

In Belgium there is a discussion about the funds SABAM raised from those media.
Some people use the (Video/Audio) tape's or R-CD's strictly for their own purpose (Pictures, voice-recording, home-video's letters the wrote etc.)
and others for third-party software/music/video etc.

So SABAM don't know (what share) to who the should pay the royalty's and keep those funds for them self.

While the discussion is going on (starting)-artists are suffering from the lack off fundings and can't bring their product to the marked at a reasonable price.
Meanwhile iPod like devices are spreading around the globe and take profit from the legal and surely illegal market.

This post is supposed tobe informative about the "For free" illusion although the last bit does smell more like a little rant.

1) From the radio, onto the cassette, the only cost is of the cassette. Radio is free.
2) TV is free. (Only cost is of the TV, not access, unless it is cable.) I could record a music video onto VHS, until such time as I get some better technology.
3) Internet radio can also be accessed for free in MANY instances. I can record from it using the freeware program AudioGrabber. (Only cost is of the computer.)

A TV/VCR and a computer obviously carry are capable of much than using them for only recording music and videos. Thus, making it well worth the cost, and making the cost of any particular song I download or record negligible.

4) I could maintain any music file I download or record on the hard drive, never using a CD-R, high density disk, or anything else. If I do, again, the price of CD-R's is so low that the cost per song is negligible, particularly if burned as a data disk full of mp3's instead of as an 80 minute music disk.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

A reasonable question is, WHY IS IT ILLEGAL?
I could record some of the stuff on cassette from the radio ... for FREE!
How many people REALLY have such discriminating hearing that having it in digital is SOOO much better?

Actually its not free because we paying the fee to RIAA (SABAM for Belgium) already if we buy a Tape, Recordable-CD, Video/Sound recorder or CD-writer.
I don't (think) know if the above is true when buying a HD, usb-sticks, smart-cards etc.

In Belgium there is a discussion about the funds SABAM raised from those media.
Some people use the (Video/Audio) tape's or R-CD's strictly for their own purpose (Pictures, voice-recording, home-video's letters the wrote etc.)
and others for third-party software/music/video etc.

So SABAM don't know (what share) to who the should pay the royalty's and keep those funds for them self.

While the discussion is going on (starting)-artists are suffering from the lack off fundings and can't bring their product to the market at a reasonable price.
Meanwhile iPod like devices are spreading around the globe and take profit from the legal and surely illegal market.

This post is supposed tobe informative about the "For free" illusion although the last bit does smell more like a little rant.

The RIAA is barking up the wrong tree, IMO. They need to endorse the exchange of files, just makes us pay for certain ones.

When I was doing a lot of DJ work ( which was a few years ago ) there were ( I think ) three sources that you had to pay if you wanted to be able to ( legally ) use MP3 files for a show. I can't remember for sure if it was two or three.

Anyway, the total cost was around $150 USD for one year. That covered all the rights to use any music you wanted to use. I didn't mind paying that. It was a whole lot cheaper than going out and buying cds that would only have a couple of useable songs on them.

The thing is, everyone wants something for nothing. They figure " Why pay for it if it's available free ? Even if it is illegal. "

The RIAA is figuring it's an all or nothing deal. Either you pay for all of them, or you get nothing.

A reasonable question is, WHY IS IT ILLEGAL?
I could record some of the stuff on cassette from the radio ... for FREE!
How many people REALLY have such discriminating hearing that having it in digital is SOOO much better?

I understand your point on that one.

The way the RIAA looks at it is that if you don't pay for the music you have, then technically, you are stealing from the bands. They don't get their royalties if you don't actually buy the cd.

In some cases ( like one of my favorite bands ) I actually agree with the RIAA...to a point. If the band doesn't sell many cds, the chances of them making another disk is pretty slim. So if 250 people buy the cd, but 2500 wind up with the music...well...you get the idea. With the way music gets shared via the internet, that could wind up meaning a whole lot of lost money for the band, and for the labels.

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The RIAA is barking up the wrong tree, IMO. They need to endorse the exchange of files, just makes us pay for certain ones.

When I was doing a lot of DJ work ( which was a few years ago ) there were ( I think ) three sources that you had to pay if you wanted to be able to ( legally ) use MP3 files for a show. I can't remember for sure if it was two or three.

Anyway, the total cost was around $150 USD for one year. That covered all the rights to use any music you wanted to use. I didn't mind paying that. It was a whole lot cheaper than going out and buying cds that would only have a couple of useable songs on them.

The thing is, everyone wants something for nothing. They figure " Why pay for it if it's available free ? Even if it is illegal. "

The RIAA is figuring it's an all or nothing deal. Either you pay for all of them, or you get nothing.

A reasonable question is, WHY IS IT ILLEGAL?
I could record some of the stuff on cassette from the radio ... for FREE!
How many people REALLY have such discriminating hearing that having it in digital is SOOO much better?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.