and still NO internet, Pinging 192.168.2.1 yields "destination Host unreachable"

You won't get internet without DNS, but you should get a ping back as long as both ends of the cable are plugged in ;-)

Does the Belkin respond to a ping from other machines? Not every device does.

As to the rest of it, I'll have to bow out. I'm as much in the dark about Linux as you were when you started this thread!

All the other machines can ping 192.168.2.1, I've rebooted the machine to windows and am currently attached to 192.168.2.1 to check the mac addy. it's the same as the linux eth-Id.

Linux calls the network card a:
ASUSTeK MCP51 Ethernet controller
at
bus-pci-0000:00:14:00

While windows device manager sees it as an:

Nvidia nForce Networking controller
location NETBUS Id: 00140000
with
Nvidia netbus enumerator
location PCIbus 0, device 20, function 0

Linux calls the network card a:
ASUSTeK MCP51 Ethernet controller
at
bus-pci-0000:00:14:00

While windows device manager sees it as an:

Nvidia nForce Networking controller
location NETBUS Id: 00140000
with
Nvidia netbus enumerator
location PCIbus 0, device 20, function 0

Yep, its the same device. Note the "bus-pci-0000:00:14:00" and the "NETBUS Id: 00140000". Same device id.


Assuming that that works fine in windows, when you have your manual static setup set in Linux, what do you get for the commands:

(You'll likely need to be root or to prefix the commands with "sudo ".)

ifconfig

route


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NOTE: I tried to return the Network manager to default.

IFCONFIG yields:

Eth0
Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:(same as windows)
inet addr:169.254.44.88 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0
inet6 addr: fe70::217:f3ff:fe4d:cb1/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:39 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:77 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueue1en:0
RX bytes:7430 (7.2Kb) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:209 Base address:0x6000

Lo
Same type stuff for Lo if you really want it, I'll type it.

Routing table is:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

NOTE: I tried to return the Network manager to default.

IFCONFIG yields:

Eth0
Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:(same as windows)
inet addr:169.254.44.88 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0
inet6 addr: fe70::217:f3ff:fe4d:cb1/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:39 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:77 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueue1en:0
RX bytes:7430 (7.2Kb) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:209 Base address:0x6000

Lo
Same type stuff for Lo if you really want it, I'll type it.

Routing table is:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

That looks like that zeroconf has generated a random IP address due to dhcp failing to find anything.

Try the gui tools to set the IP address etc manually. 192.168.2.202 should be fine for you for that one. Also set the DNS (?) and gateway (192.168.2.1) addresses. You should have a "setup internet connection" 'wizard' somewhere.

(Yes, that address is deliberately outside the dhcp allocation range to avoid any possible conflict.)

Good luck,
Martin

[edit] IP address examples. [/edit]

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OK, I deleted the partitions and installed Suse 10.1 x86-64 yet again, and I'm NOW typing from it to the web, so I assume it sees the network card and the internet.

IP addy 192.168.2.5
Submask 255.255.255.0
Broadcast IP 192.168.2.255
Hardware id same as every other time in the past and same as windows.

Once again I shall attach and start to crunching.

If you can think of anything I should check while it's still working, let me know.

thanks
tony

OK I've downloaded boinc and installed it. Downloaded Augustines 5.8.11 64 boinc and installed it over. I've attached and started crunching.

Now we just wait until I lose the network for some unexplained reason.

PS I've downloaded the DVD version of mandriva x86-64 and it fails to install, just like it's CD version cousins. I'm also downloading Ubuntu 6.10 for AMD64 and trying to get Gentoo to download via bit torrent, but there don't seem to be any peers. LOL

OK I've downloaded boinc and installed it. Downloaded Augustines 5.8.11 64 boinc and installed it over. I've attached and started crunching.

Now we just wait until I lose the network for some unexplained reason.

PS I've downloaded the DVD version of mandriva x86-64 and it fails to install, just like it's CD version cousins. I'm also downloading Ubuntu 6.10 for AMD64 and trying to get Gentoo to download via bit torrent, but there don't seem to be any peers. LOL

The adventure continues! Great fun!!

Well... Sorry, no guesses as to what you may or may not have set previously. Obviously, for the present install, dhcp (or dhcpcd) is working fine.

Re the 64-bit stuff: Have you checked whether there are any BIOS updates for your motherboard? I had similar problems until I updated the BIOS to a more recent version. It may be worth Googling for others' comments on your hardware/OS combination.

And for bittorrent, you may gain extra mileage by trying a different torrent client. I found on one occasion that the kbittorrent was rather sluggish for my setup vs ISP setup. Using on the command line:

bittorrent-curses --max_initiate 31 --max_allow_in 31 --max_uploads 7 --snub_time 45 "$1"

where "$1" is your torrent file works well for me. Also beware overloading your broadband modem with too many simultaneous connections!!! (It really slows down everything!)


Good luck,
Martin

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Thanks martin, I WAS using bit torrent on a win machine since all my torrents are in that folder and I can contribute to others while I "get mine".

As for the neteork detection issue using Suse on my AMD64 X2 5200, this is exactly how it began the last two installs. I've kept the connection reasonably active for a while and it still works. I think I'll get my afternoon nap and see if it still works when I get up. If it does, I'll set the project to NNW and when it runs dry or near it, I'll try a reboot and see. I think I'll try the nap, as I can always try the reboot later if that fails to fail. LOL

I have the UBUNTU 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64 burned and waiting. LOL

(the stack of linux cds and dvds continues to rise skyward. LOL)

My network has changed also, I was using a belkin wap/4p router, well, 2 of my desktops were wireless, but linux has issues with that and I'm not ready to tackle that yet, so I attached an 8 port switch to it and cabled every puter but my laptop to it. so now it goes to the switch, then the router, then the dsl modem.

I have the UBUNTU 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64 burned and waiting. LOL

(the stack of linux cds and dvds continues to rise skyward. LOL)

That's the beauty of choice! You can get to choose!!

Do we get a comparative review of your view of the distros? For general use and as a Boinc cruncher?


Happy crunchin' (or is that sawing? ;-) ),

Cheers,
Martin

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Thanks martin, I WAS using bit torrent on a win machine since all my torrents are in that folder and I can contribute to others while I "get mine".

As for the neteork detection issue using Suse on my AMD64 X2 5200, this is exactly how it began the last two installs. I've kept the connection reasonably active for a while and it still works. I think I'll get my afternoon nap and see if it still works when I get up. If it does, I'll set the project to NNW and when it runs dry or near it, I'll try a reboot and see. I think I'll try the nap, as I can always try the reboot later if that fails to fail. LOL

I have the UBUNTU 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64 burned and waiting. LOL

(the stack of linux cds and dvds continues to rise skyward. LOL)

My network has changed also, I was using a belkin wap/4p router, well, 2 of my desktops were wireless, but linux has issues with that and I'm not ready to tackle that yet, so I attached an 8 port switch to it and cabled every puter but my laptop to it. so now it goes to the switch, then the router, then the dsl modem.

Hope you're using RWs, so you can reuse......LOL

Hmmm, it still worked after the nap. I ran it out of work and rebooted, and it's back to the weird private IP that doesn't work.

I tried to run Ubuntu 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64, but it (just like mandriva) starts to load then the screen goes black and the cd drive light goes out. Looks like it's off to try another version for 64b,,, hmm what to try??? I have a copy of Gentoo downloading via bittorrent, but that puter is not running atm, It won't be until the weekend, unless I download it with another puter, but that's the only machine with a dvd burner.

Hmmm, it still worked after the nap. I ran it out of work and rebooted, and it's back to the weird private IP that doesn't work.

I tried to run Ubuntu 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64, but it (just like mandriva) starts to load then the screen goes black and the cd drive light goes out. Looks like it's off to try another version for 64b,,, hmm what to try??? I have a copy of Gentoo downloading via bittorrent, but that puter is not running atm, It won't be until the weekend, unless I download it with another puter, but that's the only machine with a dvd burner.

That's strange indeed. I installed my first copy of Ubuntu just a few weeks ago without any problems at all.

I haven't read the whole thread and this may have been covered already. I also don't mean to insult your intellegence or expertise, but you did burn the image to disk, not just the .iso file, right?

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Hmmm, it still worked after the nap. I ran it out of work and rebooted, and it's back to the weird private IP that doesn't work.

I tried to run Ubuntu 6.10 edgy desktop for AMD64, but it (just like mandriva) starts to load then the screen goes black and the cd drive light goes out. Looks like it's off to try another version for 64b,,,

That's strange indeed. I installed my first copy of Ubuntu just a few weeks ago without any problems at all.

I haven't read the whole thread and this may have been covered already. ... but you did burn the image to disk, not just the .iso file, right?

I'm sure he's burning a CD with the contents of an iso rather than buring an iso file onto a CD as a file.

But yes, all very strange.

Wild guesses are that the router (or whatever is responding to dhcp requests) isn't always working or doesn't correctly handle reissuing address leases.

Or is the motherboard BIOS not correctly handling all the 64-bit stuff?

Good luck,
Martin

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Personally, I'm thinking it's lost track/control of the network card itself or picked the wrong one to begin with. Something.

Does the computer have just one, or more than one NIC ?

If it is a PCI card try putting in a different slot. Slot 1 or slot 0 would be a good option.

If the NIC is on the motherboard try disabling this and putting in a different NIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

Thanks for not reading the whole thread, it just runs on like bad long sentence structure, jumping from one issue to the nest.. LOL

Yes, ISO

I also suspect the MOBO/bios. It is an ASUS M2NPV-VM, is a microATX and has built in ethernet, sound, and HD video. It's an AM2 socket.

ASUS M2NPV-VM Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6150 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

M2NPV-VM


- AMD Live!â„¢ Ready
- NVIDIAR GeForce 6150 + nForce 430
- Dual-channel DDR2 800/667/533
- PCI Express architecture
- Integrated GeForce6 GPU
- Dual VGA Ouput: DVI-D & RGB
- HDTV out interface (HDTV/AV/S output module was bundled)
- 2 x 1394a Support

CPU Support AMD® Socket AM2 Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64/ Sempron
AMD Cool 'n' Quietâ„¢ Technology
AMD64 architecture enables simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing
AMD Live!â„¢ Ready

Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6150 + nForce 430
Memory Dual channel memory architecture
4 x 240-pin DIMM, support max. 8GB DDR2 800/667/533 ECC and non-ECC,un-buffered memory

VGA Integrated GeForce 6 GPU
High Definition Video Processing with max. resolutions to 1920 x 1440 (@ 75Hz)

Dual VGA output support: DVI-D and RGB
Note: DVI-D can not be converted to output RGB signal to CRT.

TV-out support: SDTV & HDTV (bundles HDTV/AV/S output module)
Note: RGB and TV-Out can not be used simultaneously.

Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16
1 x PCI Express x1
2 x PCI

Storage/RAID South bridge: NVIDIA nForce 430
*2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66/33
*4 x Serial ATA 3Gb/s with RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 0+1, RAID 5 & JBOD
NVIDIA MediaShieldâ„¢ RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5 and JBOD span cross Serial ATA drives

LAN NVIDIA nForce® 430 built-in Gigabit MAC with external Marvell PHY
Audio ADI AD1986A High Difinition Audio 5.1channel CODEC
Support Jack-Sensing and S/PDIF out interface

IEEE 1394 TI IEEE 1394a controller supports 2 x 1394a ports
USB Up to 8 USB2.0/1.1 ports
Manageability WfM 2.0, DMI 2.0, WOL by PME, WOR, PXE, Chassis Intrusion
BIOS 4Mb Flash ROM, Award BIOS, PnP, DMI2.0, WfM2.0, SM BIOS 2.3, ACPI 2.0
Overclocking Features SFS (Stepless Frequency Selection) from 200MHz to 400MHz at 1MHz increment
ASUS O.C. Profile: overclocking configuration-sharing tool
Overclocking Protection:
ASUS C.P.R.(CPU Parameter Recall)

Special Features ASUS Q-Fan 2
ASUS My Logo
ASUS CrashFreeBIOS2
ASUS EZ Flash 2
Note: CrashFree BIOS2 and EZ Flash 2 only support VGA/RGB output, but does not support VGA/DVI-D output.
Back Panel I/O Ports 1 x DVI-D out
1 x D-Sub out
4 x USB 2.0 ports
1 x IEEE 1394a port
1 x 5.1 channel Audio I/O
1 x RJ45
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x Parallel

Internal I/O Connectors 2 x USB 2.0 connector supports additional 4 USB 2.0 ports
1 x IEEE 1394a connector
1 x TV out connector
1 x Game/MIDI connector
1 x S/PDIF output connector
High Definition Front panel audio connector
4-pin CPU Fan / 2*Chassis Fan connectors
Chassis Intrusion connector
CD audio-in connector
24-pin ATX power connector
4-pin ATX 12V Power connector
2 x COM connectors
Support CD Drivers
NVIDIA MediaShieldâ„¢ RAID
ASUS PC Probe II
ASUS LiveUpdate Utility
AMD Cool ' n' Quiet Utility
Anti-virus software (OEM version)

Accessories 2 x Serial ATA cables
1 x SATA power cable for two devices
1 x IDE cable
1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 cable
1 x FDD cable
1 x IEEE 1394 cable
1 x I/O Shield
HDTV/AV/AS output module
User's manual
Form Factor uATX Form Factor, 9.6" x 9.6" (24.5cm x 24.5cm)
Front Side Bus 2000 / 1600 MT/s

I also suspect the MOBO/bios. It is an ASUS M2NPV-VM,...

Likely the BIOS is from early last year and they have a whole load of "fixes" for new CPUs and for "Windows" this year. (Those "Windows" fixes will likely fix the comparable Linux OS problems.)

Needless to say: carefully follow the BIOS update instructions!

Likely, you can do the update by having the appropriate rom image file on FDD or USB and doing a full reset and holding ALT-F2. Read up the requirements first!


Trying to reflash a scrambled BIOS is quite a pain...

Good luck,
Martin

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Trying to reflash a scrambled BIOS is quite a pain...

And SCARY too. LOL I think I agree that to have any hope of running 64 linux, I have few options, but to try it. Will try after work.

The scary part is not the loss of the machine, but the loss of data. This computer houses my main network drive.

<singing>I'm off to do the backup,........ the wonderful backup of OS</singing>

Trying to reflash a scrambled BIOS is quite a pain...

And SCARY too. LOL I think I agree that to have any hope of running 64 linux, I have few options, but to try it. Will try after work.

The scary part is not the loss of the machine, but the loss of data. This computer houses my main network drive.

<singing>I'm off to do the backup,........ the wonderful backup of OS</singing>

Use a spare hard drive to try the install, so you don't hose your data.

Use a spare hard drive to try the install, so you don't hose your data.

Great idea. One little problem though. I have a problem. It seems that everytime I have a "spare" anything, the other parts needed to build a computer around that part magically appear via a big brown truck. I rationalize it this way; "Gee honey, I already have X, so it won't cost that much".

Example:
This is how my unhoused computer came into being. It has a microatx psu, 2.5" laptop Hard drive, Full ATX mobo, P4 1.8 cpu, 512M PC 2100 ram.