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Message 460937 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 12:23:54 UTC - in response to Message 460900.  

Still, it couldn't hurt. Think how much product you could push on a "reality" show called "This is your Death."

I've always felt that if a society is going to have legalized murder, it should be done in public.
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Message 460900 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 9:07:38 UTC - in response to Message 460880.  

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Any idea what 50 years in stir COSTS??
People who rape/murder
Need to be taken out in the yard and shot.
Preferably witnessed by the inmate population.
It does not need to be on TV.
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Still, it couldn't hurt. Think how much product you could push on a "reality" show called "This is your Death."

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Message 460880 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 7:03:22 UTC

Hey-
Any idea what 50 years in stir COSTS??
People who rape/murder
Need to be taken out in the yard and shot.
Preferably witnessed by the inmate population.
It does not need to be on TV.
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Message 460870 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 6:06:19 UTC - in response to Message 460852.  

Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)

I have been called twice and been rejected in the jury selection process. It seems that for capital murder cases, lawyers do not want those who can think logically and not be easily influenced by emotional arguements (I am a factory controls engineer) or who believe that the death penalty is proper for premeditated murder (I do). Since I fit into both categories I was rejected both times.

Strange that's why I was picked.
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Message 460852 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 4:57:15 UTC - in response to Message 460624.  

Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)

I have been called twice and been rejected in the jury selection process. It seems that for capital murder cases, lawyers do not want those who can think logically and not be easily influenced by emotional arguements (I am a factory controls engineer) or who believe that the death penalty is proper for premeditated murder (I do). Since I fit into both categories I was rejected both times.
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Message 460767 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 3:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 460764.  

Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)

I've served on four jurys, three of them criminal, of which one was for second degree murder and the other first degree murder. Of the two murder trials, we acquitted the defendant, and on the other we were hung by 11-1 for conviction. I was in the majority, but one juror froze up and could not bring themself to bear the burden of responsibility for someones life. Of coarse, the prosecution retried the case and won a conviction.

Mine was first degree murder with two special circumstances (lying in wait, financial gain). We convicted but gave him Life without parole. We figured where he would be sent, Pelican Bay (Calif's Super Max prison), would be far worse than having his own cell at San Quentin.
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Message 460764 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 3:14:42 UTC - in response to Message 460624.  
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Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)

I've served on four jurys, three of them criminal, of which one was for second degree murder and the other first degree murder. Of the two murder trials, we acquitted the defendant charged with second degree murder, and on the other we were hung by 11-1 for conviction. I was in the majority, but one juror froze up and could not bring themself to bear the burden of responsibility for someones life (in essence they lied to themselves and the court during the voir dire). Of coarse, the prosecution retried the case and won a conviction. The defendant was given life without parole. (He walked up to a man in a rival gang, pumped three .357 shots into the victims chest at point blank range, then proceeded to pump two more shots into the victim after he fell to the ground. There were three witnesses within six feet of the victim, and two independant witnesses within 50 feet.)
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Message 460633 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 1:51:00 UTC - in response to Message 460624.  

Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)

My commiseration, that must be very difficult. I have never actually been called for jury duty.


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Message 460628 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 1:50:25 UTC - in response to Message 460327.  


Yes some times it beggrs beleif the sentaces that are handed down in some cases,unfortunatly the death penalty was abolished here some time ago,but 12 years is too short a time for that sort of offence.


The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

Actually I think life without the possibility of parole served in solitary confinement is just the ticket...death sentences are too good for some offenders.


I do believe I would have to agree with that...

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Message 460624 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 1:47:51 UTC

Out of curiosity, how many of you have served on a criminal jury that was required to decide between death and life without parole? (I have.)
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Message 460329 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 21:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 460322.  
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Yes some times it beggrs beleif the sentaces that are handed down in some cases,unfortunatly the death penalty was abolished here some time ago,but 12 years is too short a time for that sort of offence.


The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.


Agreed. I also think murder and sanity are mutually exclusive ("...held the child's face in a lit gas burner"???). A murderer has to be gotten off the street, often for life, but killing the murderer doesn't make anything right. It just descends into revenge.
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Message 460327 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 21:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 460322.  


Yes some times it beggrs beleif the sentaces that are handed down in some cases,unfortunatly the death penalty was abolished here some time ago,but 12 years is too short a time for that sort of offence.


The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

Actually I think life without the possibility of parole served in solitary confinement is just the ticket...death sentences are too good for some offenders.
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Message 460325 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 21:02:43 UTC - in response to Message 460322.  

The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

And you live in a civilised society, Hev?
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Message 460322 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 20:57:02 UTC - in response to Message 460297.  


Yes some times it beggrs beleif the sentaces that are handed down in some cases,unfortunatly the death penalty was abolished here some time ago,but 12 years is too short a time for that sort of offence.


The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.
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Message 460297 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 20:10:36 UTC - in response to Message 460062.  

That whole situation is really sad.


It is. I've been hearing about it for some time now in the states.

Being eligible for parole after 20 years when he gets 90 doesn't make sense.

I agree,here in the UK if you got nintey years you could be up for parole in 45 years,but then he would have been only out on "licence" this means that ANY infringement of his parole terms and he finishes his sentence or perhaps he would not have even got parole but been given a "whole life tarrif".

The British courts are way too lienant...example...just some months ago a man
was convicted of taking his girlfriends 6 month of son, and forced the enfants
face down onto a lit gas stove burner and held the child there. The child died.
He got a 12 year tariff. Here in Nevada he would have gotten the death penalty, or at minimums life without the possibility of parole.


Yes some times it beggrs beleif the sentaces that are handed down in some cases,unfortunatly the death penalty was abolished here some time ago,but 12 years is too short a time for that sort of offence.
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Message 460062 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 16:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 460047.  
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That whole situation is really sad.


It is. I've been hearing about it for some time now in the states.

Being eligible for parole after 20 years when he gets 90 doesn't make sense.

I agree,here in the UK if you got nintey years you could be up for parole in 45 years,but then he would have been only out on "licence" this means that ANY infringement of his parole terms and he finishes his sentence or perhaps he would not have even got parole but been given a "whole life tarrif".

The British courts are way too lienant...example...just some months ago a man
was convicted of taking his girlfriends 6 month of son, and forced the enfants
face down onto a lit gas stove burner and held the child there. The child died.
He got a 12 year tariff. Here in Nevada he would have gotten the death penalty, or at minimums life without the possibility of parole.
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Message 460047 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 16:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 460041.  

That whole situation is really sad.


It is. I've been hearing about it for some time now in the states.

Being eligible for parole after 20 years when he gets 90 doesn't make sense.

I agree,here in the UK if you got nintey years you could be up for parole in 45 years,but then he would have been only out on "licence" this means that ANY infringement of his parole terms and he finishes his sentence or perhaps he would not have even got parole but been given a "whole life tarrif".
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Message 460046 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 16:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 460043.  

That whole situation is really sad.


It is. I've been hearing about it for some time now in the states.

Being eligible for parole after 20 years when he gets 90 doesn't make sense.

He was the only one that admitted to the crime and is helping the prosecution...
that is why he got a lighter sentence...the others will surely hang...literally.


Well if they are guilty and hang, they did it to themselves. They each made a consious decision to commit these crimes.

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Message 460043 - Posted: 17 Nov 2006, 16:06:39 UTC - in response to Message 460041.  

That whole situation is really sad.


It is. I've been hearing about it for some time now in the states.

Being eligible for parole after 20 years when he gets 90 doesn't make sense.

He was the only one that admitted to the crime and is helping the prosecution...
that is why he got a lighter sentence...the others will surely hang...literally.
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