Oh dear, I thought I had made myself perfectly clear on the subject.
So to reiterate:
He should either have been shot "whilst trying to escape" ... or shipped off to Guantanamo as hundreds of others of FAR lesser importance have been. Is my reiteration clear enough?

Forgive me my skepticism...but I honestly don't believe that you would have praised the U.S. if we had just shot him in the first place...or if he had been sent to Guantanamo. If he had been sent to Guantanamo...we would have seen posts about how he was being held and probably tortured without jurisprudence.

If I am wrong, I am wrong. That's just the way I see it.

... well, dear Knightmare, see for yourself what US inaction in this problem has caused. The Sunni minority now has a CAUSE to fight ...

Now this I totally agree with. Again, though, the problem is the uproar from anti-US folks about how terrible we are to have gotten rid of him and not let him have a trial and such.

I take it that you have not had Basic military training

Actually, no I haven't. I was physically unable to enlist.

* edit * I enlisted, but wasn't able to pass the pyhsical because of some knee problems that hapeed while I was in High School * edit *

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G'night Gize ...
I have written enough about that Bas***d Saddam ...
But I fear we have not heard the last of this ...

Goodnight all ...

You mean, like in Gize Fawkes ;)

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If Saddam Hussein had been killed either during capture or whilst "trying to escape" ... there would be no rallying point.

Very tempting, but it's the start of the slippery slope, if it hasn't already started, if we do such a thing, back to a world we seek to eliminate.

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Have you guys forgotten about the years of appeals? He won't be going anywhere for a long time.

You're right. Farce? Understatement.

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Have you guys forgotten about the years of appeals? He won't be going anywhere for a long time.

You're right. Farce? Understatement.

AsteriX, your sig is stretching the thread.

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Have you guys forgotten about the years of appeals? He won't be going anywhere for a long time.

You're right. Farce? Understatement.

AsteriX, your sig is stretching the thread.

OK, I'll squish it a bit

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Have you guys forgotten about the years of appeals? He won't be going anywhere for a long time.

It's an Iraqi court. There are most likely very limited appeals if any! He still gets tried for the other crimes.

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As long as we don't hear about a search for the "real killers"...

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As long as we don't hear about a search for the "real killers"...

LOL!!! I don't think we have to worry about that this time....lol

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You know what ... ?
Reading the replies in this forum ...
The totally no-boners of replies ... !
It is no doubt that if what you represent here is the mainstream feeling of the US,

It isn't. The overwhelming majority of Americans, like all people everywhere, play little attention to such things beyond what they hear from whatever news source they choose. They would not have gone to Iraq.

that the US stands condemned for what it brought about in Iraq ...
And that it stands condemned for the loss of life there.
Saddam Hussein, tyrant that he was and mass murderer that he was, never in his wildest dreams
Murdered and killed as many Iraqis as America has done in the last 3 years.

Which of course, it simply wrong. In fact, it doesn't even rise to the level of wrong.

600,000 dead - you guys ought to hang your collective heads in shame ... !!! Remember ... this guy Saddam Hussein was YOUR puppet at one time.
YOU armed him. YOU gave him the wherewithal to BE the tyrant he always was.

Sure we armed him. Just like the UK did. And the Germans did. And the French did. And the Soviets did. Surprise, surprise. To speak as you do: "Remember ... this guy Saddam Hussein was YOUR puppet at one time. YOU armed him. YOU gave him the wherewithal to BE the tyrant he always was."

And 600,000 is simply silly. Even Iraqbodycount.org doesn't buy into that BS.

As far as who is getting killed now? The number one threat to Iraqis right now is not a US soldier--is it other Iraqis.

Let's see... let's name the foreign occupations by modern democracies without suicide terrorism and without the slaughter of their own countrymen.

British occupation of Northern Ireland, 1967-1997.
US occupation of Haiti, 1990s.
NATO occupation of Bosnia, 1990s.
ANZAC occupation of East Timor, 1990s.
US occupation of South Vietnam.
US occupation of South Korea.
US occupation of Japan.
US occupation of Germany.
US occupation of Italy.

You Americans have a lot to answer for.

Um, no "we" don't. I had nothing to do with this, and neither did anyone I know. Your use of yet another silly collective term means nothing, you just want to unload on the collective, "Americans."

So don't come the "Holier than thou" with me ...
You guys creep along the ground with the other snakes that twist and turn to try enforce your
policies on other Nations.
None of you is better than Saddam Hussein if that is your view.
Go ahead and gloat. You have got your show trial. You have your verdict.
But your hands are yet again covered in blood.
Why do you lot never learn that you care not qualified to dabble in World politics?
Just keep the Hell out, I say ...

You say a lot of things, and quite often they're just this sort of crap. If you post hateful emotional diatribes, you cannot be surprised when people cease to discuss this stuff with you. Or just shoot back from the hip.

I mean, Nuremburg was a show trial, what would you have done there?



EDIT, from IBC.org, certainly no friend of Dubyas:

Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates
Hamit Dardagan, John Sloboda, and Josh Dougherty
Summary

A new study has been released by the Lancet medical journal estimating over 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq. The Iraqi mortality estimates published in the Lancet in October 2006 imply, among other things, that:

1. On average, a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms;
2. Some 800,000 or more Iraqis suffered blast wounds and other serious conflict-related injuries in the past two years, but less than a tenth of them received any kind of hospital treatment;
3. Over 7% of the entire adult male population of Iraq has already been killed in violence, with no less than 10% in the worst affected areas covering most of central Iraq;
4. Half a million death certificates were received by families which were never officially recorded as having been issued;
5. The Coalition has killed far more Iraqis in the last year than in earlier years containing the initial massive "Shock and Awe" invasion and the major assaults on Falluja.

If these assertions are true, they further imply:

* incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began;
* bizarre and self-destructive behaviour on the part of all but a small minority of 800,000 injured, mostly non-combatant, Iraqis;
* the utter failure of local or external agencies to notice and respond to a decimation of the adult male population in key urban areas;
* an abject failure of the media, Iraqi as well as international, to observe that Coalition-caused events of the scale they reported during the three-week invasion in 2003 have been occurring every month for over a year.

In the light of such extreme and improbable implications, a rational alternative conclusion to be considered is that the authors have drawn conclusions from unrepresentative data. In addition, totals of the magnitude generated by this study are unnecessary to brand the invasion and occupation of Iraq a human and strategic tragedy.

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Remove the obvious...

Here is a conspiracy theory for you. I heard this on BBC Radio 4 this morning, a respected source for news and current affairs.

Apparently there is a conspiracy theory that the Americans have kept Saddam alive, and are keeping him alive, because they might put him back in charge as he is the only one that can bring order to Iraq.

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YO

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Homeland Security does not "retaliate". The only reasons you would need to fear are if you:

• Are having conversations with known or suspected terrorists over the phone,
  
• Are receiving money from known or suspected terrorists, or
  
• Are giving money or material support to known or suspected terrorists
  
• Are receiving money or material support from known or suspected terrorists.
  

Otherwise, you are wasting our time with useless histrionics.

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Homeland Security does not "retaliate". The only reasons you would need to fear are if you:

• Are having conversations with known or suspected terrorists over the phone,
  
• Are receiving money from known or suspected terrorists, or
  
• Are giving money or material support to known or suspected terrorists
  
• Are receiving money or material support from known or suspected terrorists.
  

Otherwise, you are wasting our time with useless histrionics.

Except when they mess something up and take you for a terrorist....


Regards Hans

P.S: Does anyone remember the Ministry of Information Retrieval from the movie "Brazil"?

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Homeland Security does not "retaliate". The only reasons you would need to fear are if you:

• Are having conversations with known or suspected terrorists over the phone,
  
• Are receiving money from known or suspected terrorists, or
  
• Are giving money or material support to known or suspected terrorists
  
• Are receiving money or material support from known or suspected terrorists.
  

Otherwise, you are wasting our time with useless histrionics.

Except when they mess something up and take you for a terrorist....

Regards Hans

P.S: Does anyone remember the Ministry of Information Retrieval from the movie "Brazil"?

Hans, there has not been a single instance of such.

[edit]Post edited and content removed due to fear of retaliation by Homeland Security.[/edit]

Homeland Security does not "retaliate". The only reasons you would need to fear are if you:

• Are having conversations with known or suspected terrorists over the phone,
  
• Are receiving money from known or suspected terrorists, or
  
• Are giving money or material support to known or suspected terrorists
  
• Are receiving money or material support from known or suspected terrorists.
  

Otherwise, you are wasting our time with useless histrionics.

Except when they mess something up and take you for a terrorist....

Regards Hans

P.S: Does anyone remember the Ministry of Information Retrieval from the movie "Brazil"?

Hans, there has not been a single instance of such.

How about the Canadian that is currently suing the US because of extreme rendition. He was proven not to be a terrorist, or associated with terrorists, yet he was shipped off to another country and tortured for a few months before he was sent home to Canada. He was confused with someone else. The problem is that with out due process, we are not going to hear about many of the mistakes made.

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The great American jurist, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, put it well when he said, "Hard cases make bad law".

What he meant was, there will always be a few extreme cases that make any law look foolish because, among other things the law cuts both ways and sometimes in surprising fashion to unanticpated circumstances. The important thing is that the law should work well in the great majority of cases. If you tailor the laws to cover the most exceptional cases, that will ruin it for the great majority of cases. That's what he meant by that dictum. No law is perfect, that's all.

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How about the Canadian that is currently suing the US because of extreme rendition. He was proven not to be a terrorist, or associated with terrorists, yet he was shipped off to another country and tortured for a few months before he was sent home to Canada. He was confused with someone else. The problem is that with out due process, we are not going to hear about many of the mistakes made.

This case has not received any publicity in the US media. This is extremely odd because the US media pounces on any newsworthy item which will embarass the current Administration. Can you post a link to a Canadian press account?

This case has not received any publicity in the US media. This is extremely odd because the US media pounces on any newsworthy item which will embarass the current Administration.

I don't think so - Even FOX didn't give a damn.

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