...and the 2600 members forget their videocameras...

And the 4400 stay at home...

Security Strife

In May, Finnish computer security expert Harri Hursti working on behalf of voting activist group Black Box Voting, announced his discovery of a new security vulnerability in Diebold's touch-screen machine; some security experts subsequently deemed this the most severe hole yet found in an electronic voting machine.

The vulnerability involves a feature in Diebold's system that allows election officials or company workers to update software on a machine. Hursti and others argue that anyone who has even brief access to a machine could upload malicious code to it. Voting machines are often left unattended in polling places or at poll workers' homes for days before elections. Diebold, in a statement, described the vulnerability as "theoretical" and low-risk. Still, the firm said it would fix the problem.

Then in June the Brennan Center for Justice released results of a year-long study of voting systems tallying more than 120 security problems involving voting systems made by the top three vendors--Diebold, Election Systems and Software, and Sequoia. The study, conducted by election officials and computer security experts, concluded that the easiest way to tamper with an election would be to introduce software that switched votes from one candidate to another. It found that few states had effective methods for detecting such rogue code.

The report surprised few people, since previous studies had cited many of the same security problems, but it did provide a comprehensive look at security issues across all voting systems, not just beleaguered Diebold. Voting machine makers have responded to this report and to previous ones by asserting that the probability of someone hacking a machine is low and that procedural safeguards act as a check on malicious activity. But Stanford's Dill argues that the integrity of elections shouldn't rely on procedures' being followed perfectly, in view of human fallibility and of past elections in which poll workers often didn't follow prescribed procedures.

Researchers also found that several voting systems incorporated wireless communication devices that made them especially vulnerable to remote attack by someone using a PDA. Disabling the wireless component wouldn't secure the machine, researchers said, because an attacker could design software to re-enable the wireless component. Only New York and Minnesota currently prohibit wireless components in voting machines. California bans wireless tech in touch-screen machines only.

As is the case with traditional hacks, an attacker would have to know the line code to crack a system in this way, but a knowledgeable perpetrator could do it quickly. That makes an insider working for the voting machine's manufacturer the likeliest attacker. Diebold machines are even more vulnerable because the firm accidentally exposed its code via an Internet-accessible server.

Even if all of these flaws are fixed, no computer can be 100 percent secure--that's where verified paper trails come in.


From PCWorld.com

I'm in favor of a paper trail. The hanging & pregnant & so on chads are a pain. But somehow these elections have got to be made so that the will of the people are addressed & not hacked. If a vote for republican is cast, then it should be counted, as is the vote for a democrat. We should be able to believe that an election is honest.

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I went and voted early a few days ago...Nevada doesn't use Diebold and we are the first state with electronic voting that prints on paper your vote as a backup, which you inspect before your vote is completed.

Diebold is use extensively in Red States...curious.

I voted blue.

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I'm voting red, but not Republican.

Well... except for one, but that's because the Democratic candidate is an idiot...

Vote early, and vote often!

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How to Stop the November Elections from Being Stolen

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How to Stop the November Elections from Being Stolen

Ya right! If the Republicians win it's stolen and if the Democrats win it's fair.

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How to Stop the November Elections from Being Stolen

Ya right! If the Republicians win it's stolen and if the Democrats win it's fair.

I'm just saying it should be fair. Anything else should be considered stolen. Republicans win fairly; fine. Democrats win; fine. My pick may not be the majority. BTW dump the electoral collage! (But that's another thread not to mention too fair!)

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I went and voted early a few days ago...Nevada doesn't use Diebold and we are the first state with electronic voting that prints on paper your vote as a backup, which you inspect before your vote is completed.
Diebold is use extensively in Red States...curious.
I voted blue.

Diebold has dumped tons of money onto Republican races around the Country for a long time, thinking they are the path to getting their machines in use. Seems they made a good choice. Now Diebold needs to get the possibility of cheating out of the equation. Seems to me to be a simple matter of read only files and people actually knowing what they are doing, and thinking about the possbility of hacking when writing programs. The documdrama going around the networks now, "hacking democracry" shows Diebold exucutives 'testifing' that there are no *.exe files on the card used in the machines. Guess what, there is an *.exe files on the card, the writer of the program even said no such file is on the card, incompetent idiots!!!!! Too many people involved in the process!!!! No one ultimately responsible except the marketers, and they are totaly biased!!!
They need to actually hire a few computer geeks and fix the problems.
Electronic voting in and of itself is not a bad thing. The way it is being done now is a bad thing.

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Ya right! If the Republicians win it's stolen and if the Democrats win it's fair.

Any election that is stolen is stolen, period. The will of the people is cheated and democracy has been stepped on and those that rig elections should be held accountable to the full extent of the law.

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None of this surprises me. In ohio the decision was made to use Diebold voting machines... the decision was made by the republican secretary of state... who owned stock in Diebold... and he's now running for governor.

It should be no surprise that though he's behind in the recent polls he's confident in his ability to win the election.

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None of this surprises me. In ohio the decision was made to use Diebold voting machines... the decision was made by the republican secretary of state... who owned stock in Diebold... and he's now running for governor.

It should be no surprise that though he's behind in the recent polls he's confident in his ability to win the election.

And you figure what, that the Democrats he's running against are going to just roll over and let him "steal" the election?

C'mon, if YOU know that this stuff is possible, the people that are actually running for office know that this stuff is possible.

Is it your contention that they simply won't mind if it happens? Or it is possible that they don't think it's any more likely to happen that Diebold, et al?

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And you figure what, that the Democrats he's running against are going to just roll over and let him "steal" the election?

C'mon, if YOU know that this stuff is possible, the people that are actually running for office know that this stuff is possible.

Is it your contention that they simply won't mind if it happens? Or it is possible that they don't think it's any more likely to happen that Diebold, et al?

I say you should all take to the streets!! REVOLUTION! You don't really want any of these people in charge!!

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And you figure what, that the Democrats he's running against are going to just roll over and let him "steal" the election?

C'mon, if YOU know that this stuff is possible, the people that are actually running for office know that this stuff is possible.

Is it your contention that they simply won't mind if it happens? Or it is possible that they don't think it's any more likely to happen that Diebold, et al?

I say you should all take to the streets!! REVOLUTION! You don't really want any of these people in charge!!

The mob rule is worse!

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I say you should all take to the streets!! REVOLUTION! You don't really want any of these people in charge!!

Where's Queensrÿche when you need them?

Revolution Calling!

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I went and voted early a few days ago...Nevada doesn't use Diebold and we are the first state with electronic voting that prints on paper your vote as a backup, which you inspect before your vote is completed.
Diebold is use extensively in Red States...curious.
I voted blue.

Diebold has dumped tons of money onto Republican races around the Country for a long time, thinking they are the path to getting their machines in use. Seems they made a good choice. Now Diebold needs to get the possibility of cheating out of the equation. Seems to me to be a simple matter of read only files and people actually knowing what they are doing, and thinking about the possbility of hacking when writing programs. The documdrama going around the networks now, "hacking democracry" shows Diebold exucutives 'testifing' that there are no *.exe files on the card used in the machines. Guess what, there is an *.exe files on the card, the writer of the program even said no such file is on the card, incompetent idiots!!!!! Too many people involved in the process!!!! No one ultimately responsible except the marketers, and they are totaly biased!!!
They need to actually hire a few computer geeks and fix the problems.
Electronic voting in and of itself is not a bad thing. The way it is being done now is a bad thing.

Especially after the ex CEO (or was it president) of Diebold stated publicly that he would do whatever it took to get W re-elected. There were then no paper trails for the next election (2004), so there is no real way of knowing whether that election was stolen or not.

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Especially after the ex CEO (or was it president) of Diebold stated publicly that he would do whatever it took to get W re-elected. There were then no paper trails for the next election (2004), so there is no real way of knowing whether that election was stolen or not.

So you do think that the Democrats just rolled over and accepted that as inevitable? They just gave up? They said, "Ah, skrew it, just let Dubya have it."

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Especially after the ex CEO (or was it president) of Diebold stated publicly that he would do whatever it took to get W re-elected. There were then no paper trails for the next election (2004), so there is no real way of knowing whether that election was stolen or not.

So you do think that the Democrats just rolled over and accepted that as inevitable? They just gave up? They said, "Ah, skrew it, just let Dubya have it."

There was no way to figure out if that election was good or not, therefore the stink about paper trails.

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There was no way to figure out if that election was good or not, therefore the stink about paper trails.

One could make an argument like that about almost any voting system.

You can't check the mechanical machines either. Yet those have been used for years.

Look at the Florida "paper trails." They were insufficient, and people then crabbed about what constituted a valid vote. Every time they were counted, there were chads all over the floor when they were done.

In other words, there will likely always be some way to manipulate vote tallies. Even with paper trails. That's the problem with anonymous voting. Once you vote, no one can actually track it.

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